Desperate help & advice needed for my 2 fighting boars

[Bumble1]

Hi, I'm relatively new to owning guinea pigs and I'm trying to do everything by the book. I adopted Gingy and Bumble (brothers) from Pets at Home 5 months ago (They thought that they were around 4/5 months at the time). As soon as i saw them my heart melted and I knew I could give them a new home. The staff member who was dealing with me said that they were fine (no fighting) in their enclosure (4 brothers in total in a small enclosure) and as they were together from birth they wouldnt fight.
I bought guinea pig books and read thoroughly, researched online, I've read the advice on this forum up, down and back to front but i am now at the end of my tether.
I absolutely love my 2 piggies to bits, but i can not listen and watch them fighting no longer. My heart breaks for them.
Its gone from bickering when i brought them home to nearly jumping on each other's head, I've found a few scratches on the back of the less dominant piggie, thankfully I haven't noticed blood on any of their fur.
They literally fight whenever they are not asleep, It's relentless.
The cage that they are in is 120cm x 60cm. They have 2 water bottles, 2 hay racks, 2 nugget bowls and 2 veggie bowls. Woah be tied if any of them go to the others food/hay/bottle and there's a fight.
When I sit at the cage and chat with them they usually calm down. As soon as by backside hits my chair they start again. I do spend a heck of a lot of time at the cage so that they won't fight.
They have floor time every day but 3 weeks ago i had to start doing it seperate because of the fighting.
Gingy loves to cuddle into my neck, so he has several cuddles a day. He also loves being brushed.
Bumble will nuzzle in my neck for about 5 minutes, he will start to wriggle and nose but my jaw. I'm assuming he's telling me 'I've had enough so I put him back in the cage. He prefers being in the cage or having floor time.
I've had to buy another cage 100cm x 60cm and tonight I've put Gingy (dominant piggie) in the new cage with bedding from the original and his accessories and pigpod.
My reason for doing it is that tonight it was like they were doing the wall of death, while they are doing it they are trying to (it looks like) head but each other and trying to get higher than the other one. At one point they were both up the side of the wire section of the cage, which is about 8 inches from the bottom of the cage.
Ive just purchased online wire shelving to do a c&c cage. They will have more room to themselves and I can section them off. They are side by side in the cages but its a Ferplast cage and its got the grey bottom with high sides.
* Can anyone give me advice/Help and tell me if I'm doing anything wrong
* If theres anything else I can do that i havent done already
* Is separating them like I have tonight the wrong thing to do
* Would they need a little friend with them when they are in the c&c cage. I hope that's a yes because I would rescue them as oppose to adopting from Pets at Home. If you think I'm doing things right I probably will. I'd love to have a couple more

Please help, i am beating myself up that i must be a bad piggie mum because I haven't been able to help them get along.
Every morning I dread coming into my living room in case I'm going to find one of them dead.
Sorry for such a long post but i wanted to give all the information so that hopefully someone can help.
Thank you in advance, from Gingy, Bumble & me xx

 

[alexr]

Somehow I knew you were going to say Gingy was the dominant one. Those fiesty gingers He looks a lot like my Rupert who bullied his cage mate Algy to the point of causing some nasty injuries. They were from the adoption bit at Pets at Home.

After much trying, I had to take the decision to separate them. For several months they were kept as single boars but they spent a bit of time each day with my OAP piggy.

I waited six months before trying to find them friends to try and wait for their hormones to settle. Rupert now has a young Sheltie called Claudio as a pal. Because he was so dominant, I felt only a much younger pig would work and I was right.

Algy now has an older boar friend called Harry but I’m having a few issues with him bullying his older, placid mate so we’ll see what happens.

I think my mistake with Rupert & Algy was that they were both a similar, young age. Often, when piggies are close in age, they will fight for dominance as it is not so clear cut who should be the boss. Hormones can play a big role until they are about 14 months old. Often an older/young piggy combo stands a better chance with boars. Litter mates often fall out if they are boars. Neutering does not help with temperament sadly.

As blood has not been drawn, I’d use your judgement. They are both at a very tricky age so it may not work but you could divide a C&C cage down the middle to see how they react to living next to each other. You could then try them again in neutral territory but obviously separate if they fight.

I’ve found it helpful to rub a piece of cloth over both pigs and put it with them so it smells of both of them.
If the re-attempt at bonding fails, I’d be tempted to keep them next to each other and wait a few months until their hormones have settled before finding them other piggy friends like I did. Perhaps you could find a rescue that would help you match them up.

Another option is having both of them neutered by a piggy-savvy vet. Six weeks after the op, they could then have a wife each
I do hope this helps in some way x

 

[alexr]

Bonds In Trouble

This is a very helpful post by @Wiebke

 

[Bumble1]

Hi, thank you so much for your reply and advice. I need all the advice I can get.
Awww yeah the piggie in your profile pic looks exactly like Gingy...and I agree with the fiery red heads bit !

Even though they are still in seperate cages I slept in the living room with them so that they wouldn't feel like they were on their own lol.

Pets at Home, try to sell me chew sticks with seeds in. Then found out they can't have them cos they can choke and get stuck in their teeth. They also sold me (by their advice) hideouts with one entrance/exit. With the adoption price of 2 boars, cage, treats, hideouts, bowls, plus other accessories I walked out £200.00 poorer lol.
I'm not complaining about the money, i am so glad I got my little munchkins and I wouldn't change them for the world (except for the constant fighting lol). I honestly think that Pets at Home (the company) couldnt care less about the animals they have, otherwise why wouldn't they give their staff the right tools to help the animals find brilliant homes.
Whenever I have gone in there to buy bedding, nuggets etc the staff are so friendly, always cleaning out the animals and the lady that dealt with me always asks how they are doing.
I dont think that the staff are to blame at all, but i do blame the company for not educating their staff.
In my research I read that having brothers as cage mates could result in bad fighting because their hormones rage at the same time but by then it was too late, i took Pets at Homes advice.

They have been popcorning, Bumble (submissive one) has done more than Gingy (dominant one). They've eaten their veggies this morning, which is what I was worried about. I'll try them together on the sofa and see what happens. If they're ok I'll try them together on the floor.
I love the idea of rubbing cloth over both and placing some in both cages which I have done this morning. Hopefully this will bring them some comfort to them.
There is an exotic vet that has just started in my vets. If i do rescue potential wives () i will definitely get them neutered.

There is a good rescue place not too far from me and they have a bonding service. I've already been there to meet the lady that runs it to show me how to groom them properly. She is lovely, it made me so sad to see how many piggies need new homes. I was thinking of rescuing a couple of piggies when i got more experience with mine and when their hormones die down.

Thank you for your advice it has been of help and at least you haven't said I'm a terrible piggie mum lol.

I've attached a pic so that you can see how adorable they are. There is no way i would give one/them up, i would rather make changes to help them but as long as it's the right one.

Andrea, Gingy & Bumble xx

P.s. please excuse my naff diy canopy in the background

 

[Kelly_uk18]

Ahh I know exactly how you feel. I got 2 boars from P@H recently. One in Sept when he was about a year ish, background being he had been adopted with a cage mate who died then returned. I then got Barnabas the firday before Xmas. He's about 4 months and had been moved stores for space but ended up alone. I introduced them new years day and honestly felt sick and was shaking for the next 48 hours. I was determined not to intervene unless there was blood. Yesterday was day 5 and they were sat together without much rumbling. I did pick the little one up a couple of days ago for a cuddle and when i put him back in the bigger one went crazy at him for ages. I read on here you should always pick up/feed/move the dominant one first else he has to establish dominance again to his pal. I hope you don't suffer too long and they work it out but they are at prime hormone ages. The advice on here is great x

 

[Bumble1]

Hiya, thank you for your reply and advice, i appreciate it.
Their fighting has been nearly every day for 5 months and yesterday it was horrendous. I felt so sorry for Bumble cos Gingy wouldnt leave him alone.
I'm going to try and put them together with some floor time today, wish me luck lol.
I read about always feeding/handling etc the dominant one first. When Gingy established himself i have used the advice ever since.
I really am at a loss, but they've only got 4 months to go until their hormones hopefully die down. Knowing my luck it'll be delayed lol.
thanks again for your advice, I'll keep you posted xx

 

[Siikibam]

Space may play a factor in their bond. I’m afraid 120 is too small even for girl piggies. Boys ideally need 150cm+ so if you could get them into something bigger soon, it may help. I’m not sure if you adjoined the new cage to the old one to give them more space, or you separated them?

Has the submissive one squeaked in submission? It’s a tough one but I think leaving them to it till blood is drawn will be the best way.

As for PAH advise!...being related doesn’t mean they won’t fight or fall out. Good luck.

 

[Bumble1]

A short update.
My little munchkins are having floor time together and eventually they were eating from the same hay box (pic attached).
They have had a few scuffles but nothing like they have been and last night. I'm hoping the separation has helped.
I'll try them in the same cage today and see how they go.
Thanks for everyone's advice i do appreciate it xx

 

[Bumble1]

Space may play a factor in their bond. I’m afraid 120 is too small even for girl piggies. Boys ideally need 150cm+ so if you could get them into something bigger soon, it may help. I’m not sure if you adjoined the new cage to the old one to give them more space, or you separated them?

Has the submissive one squeaked in submission? It’s a tough one but I think leaving them to it till blood is drawn will be the best way.

As for PAH advise!...being related doesn’t mean they won’t fight or fall out. Good luck.

Hi, thank you for your advice. Thankfully I've just ordered the grids to make up a c&c cage, they're arriving tmrrw.
Do you think a 2 x 4, 2 x 5 or 2 by 6 is better for 2 boars?

 

[JEFF&JOJO]

Omg my heart just is breaking for you reading all this as I know exactly how you feel and how stressful it can be. I adopted two boars from PAH too but luckily they got on really well and were really close. However one of them died a few months ago from a chest infection and we were heartbroken, piggie too. We adopted a new boy from a local rescue after they met and got on wonderfully! Well I have had many stressful days and nights since with their bickering and boar behaviour which has been pretty mild to be honest but has still caused me major anxiety! They have been in a 120x60 Midwest cage but I just bought another and joined them up today as I know it’s been too small for 2 boars. So we will see how it goes! Sounds like you are doing absolutely everything you can and I don’t think you need to give up just yet. Their hormones are rife and they may settle! People on this forum are so wonderful and helpful and it’s been a godsend for me! Your boys are absolutely gorgeous! And yes you were most likely given bad advice at the beginning as I was!

Who knew having piggies could be so stressful eh? These boys! Good luck, you are doing so well and they are lucky to have you! Xx

 

[Bumble1]

Omg my heart just is breaking for you reading all this as I know exactly how you feel and how stressful it can be. I adopted two boars from PAH too but luckily they got on really well and were really close. However one of them died a few months ago from a chest infection and we were heartbroken, piggie too. We adopted a new boy from a local rescue after they met and got on wonderfully! Well I have had many stressful days and nights since with their bickering and boar behaviour which has been pretty mild to be honest but has still caused me major anxiety! They have been in a 120x60 Midwest cage but I just bought another and joined them up today as I know it’s been too small for 2 boars. So we will see how it goes! Sounds like you are doing absolutely everything you can and I don’t think you need to give up just yet. Their hormones are rife and they may settle! People on this forum are so wonderful and helpful and it’s been a godsend for me! Your boys are absolutely gorgeous! And yes you were most likely given bad advice at the beginning as I was!

Who knew having piggies could be so stressful eh? These boys! Good luck, you are doing so well and they are lucky to have you! Xx

Hi
Thank you for your message, i really appreciate it. I ordered wire mesh grids to make a 5 x 2 c&c cage. It's being delivered tmrrw, I'll set it up over the next couple of days. I'll put a partition down the middle to seperate them if it gets like it did last night but at least the can still see each other.
They had a very successful floor time today considering how bad last night was. I've got them both in the same cage now and from 5pm every evening the aggression gets worse as the evening goes on. By about 10pm they are tired and go to sleep, weird!
My heart melted when they were running about with each other earlier, now they are at each other's throats. It's like me and my sister's lol.
I love this group, it's non judgemental. Ive had a look on other forums and people make snide comments. If you cant say anything nice dont say anything at all ain't it.
Ive added a pic of them eating out of my hand earlier. I do feel like I'm making headway with them. I could never give up on them, they stole my heart when i first saw them. I can't wait to come in the living room in the morning to see their little faces in the corner of the cage and them trying to climb up cos they are so excited. Sad I know lol.
Wish me luck, I will keep you posted xx

 

[Julie M]

A 2x5 will be good for them. I find with boys the more things to do the better. Also I have hay at one end of the cage and hay at the other. They love cardboard boxes to chew up and hide in (with multiple exits) toilet roll tubes stuffed with hay. Basically anything to distract them. When you move them to the new cage bare in mind they have to go through the dominance phase again as it's a new territory. (rumbling, mounting, chasing, nipping, etc) they will hopefully calm down.

 

[Julie M]

When I had my dominant boys I found only changing one bit of the cage at a time helped as it left some scent behind. I use fleece liners and would only either change the main liners or the beds n pee pads not both at the same time as this caused fights.

 

[JEFF&JOJO]

Funny mine are always most mischievous in the evenings! And then they settle down for bedtime and are quiet! A cage that size will be great for them and a divider is good to separate them if needed but still keep them close. It’s positive that they are having some good times together too! I always think when I mess about with the cage or move things around the piggies do t like it so I like to keep things consistent and keep them in a bit of a routine. You are doing great, good luck tomorrow with the cage, mine seem happier already! Xx

 

[Bumble1]

A 2x5 will be good for them. I find with boys the more things to do the better. Also I have hay at one end of the cage and hay at the other. They love cardboard boxes to chew up and hide in (with multiple exits) toilet roll tubes stuffed with hay. Basically anything to distract them. When you move them to the new cage bare in mind they have to go through the dominance phase again as it's a new territory. (rumbling, mounting, chasing, nipping, etc) they will hopefully calm down.

Thank for for your advice, i'll def do a 2 x 5 cage.
Ooh I didn't think of putting hay in toilet roll tubes, fab idea thank you. I bought a ball with a bell in it, the ball has holes so i put hay in the holes. Before i did that they wouldn't go near it. Now they love it....yeey lol.
Regarding cage cleaning/changing...I wondered why they always fought after it. I then read the other day to use some of their bedding in the new clean cage so that they got their smells.
They are in the same cage now and have been for the last few hours. They've had a couple of spats but thats normal. They were really good during floor time which really surprised me.
I'll probably be pleading for more advice when i get my new cage. Thanks again.

 

[Bill & Ted]

That’s a good size cage for two boars. My boy brothers Bill and Ted get on well and are coming up to 4 years old in spring. They have their occasional fallouts, usually over food or change, I.e. put them in a very large hutch a few years back and they went ballistic with each other. They had an overnight separation to cool down and then they were fine. I had to sell the cage on, I thought they would love it? Boars are bonkers at times but are really fun characters, hang in there

 

[Bill & Ted]

A short update.
My little munchkins are having floor time together and eventually they were eating from the same hay box (pic attached).
They have had a few scuffles but nothing like they have been and last night. I'm hoping the separation has helped.
I'll try them in the same cage today and see how they go.
Thanks for everyone's advice i do appreciate it xx

They are both gorgeous, butter wouldn’t melt!

 

[coco bean]

Hi there it sounds like your piggies are not getting along I would recommend only separating them if they are charging at each other. Maybe move their houses and food bowls to separate sides of the cages I also have to boars who are exactly the same give it a few weeks and if it's still not any better tell a vet. It's natural for them to fight just to decide who's boss but as I said if they are hurting each other separate them.
Hope it gets better
Lizy & Coco & Cookie pig x

 

[Julie M]

Your boys are right in the middle of their teenage hormones too. So that's probably why they're more dominant. I would not separate unless blood is drawn and they really fight. (think Tom and Jerry cartoon rolling ball with legs sticking out.)

 

[dannif_piggies]

I wish you all the best with your two boys, 2x5 is a great size, but just thinking practically incase you need to divide the cage, could you make it 2x6, then in the even of separation they would each have a 2x3 area. If your from the UK, some very cheap corrugated plastic can be found in wickes, £3 for a large sheet that can make 2 bases for 2x4 cages, so very large, it's actually floor protection sheets, but works great when put together using black tape good luck!

 

[Bumble1]

That’s a good size cage for two boars. My boy brothers Bill and Ted get on well and are coming up to 4 years old in spring. They have their occasional fallouts, usually over food or change, I.e. put them in a very large hutch a few years back and they went ballistic with each other. They had an overnight separation to cool down and then they were fine. I had to sell the cage on, I thought they would love it? Boars are bonkers at times but are really fun characters, hang in there

Hi, thank you for responding. After separating them last night, 3 hours of floor time today, i was hoping they would be too tired to fight. Nope, they just had a bust up and both were half way up the sides of the cage. Theres tufts of Bubbles (submissive piggie) hair in the cage, also a tuft in the teeth of Gingy (dominant piggie).
I ordered c&c cages today, they're arriving tmrrw. I just got to source correx and by this time tmrrw they will be in there. I'll use the bedding from their cage in the new cage so that they can still smell whatever they smell.
I know Bumble is in a bit of pain on his left side because when I've tried to stroke him he moves his body. He's eating, drinking and popcorning fine so I know hes ok. I'll take him to the vet tomorrow for peace of mind.

 

[Bumble1]

Funny mine are always most mischievous in the evenings! And then they settle down for bedtime and are quiet! A cage that size will be great for them and a divider is good to separate them if needed but still keep them close. It’s positive that they are having some good times together too! I always think when I mess about with the cage or move things around the piggies do t like it so I like to keep things consistent and keep them in a bit of a routine. You are doing great, good luck tomorrow with the cage, mine seem happier already! Xx

Thank you for the encouragement, i need it lol.
I'm going to sleep in the living room again tonight. They are both in the same cage now and the fighting has been non stop. I've just found tufts of Bumble hair in the cage and between Gingys teeth. I'm gutted because floor time was a real hit. It's the best that they've ever been. I honestly think that the cage is too small (120 x 60). They seem to be better on the floor. The floor space I give them is probably equivalent to a 5 x 3 cage.
They're ramping up as i type. My eyes are gonna be on stalks by this time tomorrow lol.
Its a good job i love my little munchkins to bits lol.
New c&c cage coming tomorrow, wish me luck

 

[Bumble1]

I wish you all the best with your two boys, 2x5 is a great size, but just thinking practically incase you need to divide the cage, could you make it 2x6, then in the even of separation they would each have a 2x3 area. If your from the UK, some very cheap corrugated plastic can be found in wickes, £3 for a large sheet that can make 2 bases for 2x4 cages, so very large, it's actually floor protection sheets, but works great when put together using black tape good luck!

Hi, thank you for responding.
I've bought enough to make a 6 x 2, i was thinking exactly the same. If i had to portion them they would have equal space. They been fighting (and they're in the middle of one now) tonight. I found tufts of Bumbles hair in the cage and Gingys teeth. I'll sleep in the living room again tonight to keep an eye on them. It's difficult for me to stay awake because I take morphine daily. I'll miss my evening dose or else I'll be gone lol.
I was wondering where to get the floor for the cage from, thank you. I'll go first thing then put YouTube on to show me how to measure and cut the flooring. I've never done this before, goodness knows hows its going to look lol.
Keep your fingers crossed for me, I'll keep you posted lol

 

[Bumble1]

Space may play a factor in their bond. I’m afraid 120 is too small even for girl piggies. Boys ideally need 150cm+ so if you could get them into something bigger soon, it may help. I’m not sure if you adjoined the new cage to the old one to give them more space, or you separated them?

Has the submissive one squeaked in submission? It’s a tough one but I think leaving them to it till blood is drawn will be the best way.

As for PAH advise!...being related doesn’t mean they won’t fight or fall out. Good luck.

Hi, sorry i thought I'd replied to you earlier.
I agree 100% regarding the space of the cage. They were brilliant during floor time today. It's the best that they've ever been! The floor time is equivalent to a 5 x 3...ish. They got on great. Ok they had a few squabbles but thats nothing. I've seen YouTube clips and other piggies do the same.
I bought another cage (100 x 60) and I put the cages right next to each other so that they could see each other. They were looking at each other and sniffing through the bottom rung of the cage. My heart melted. I then felt so sorry for them but i couldnt put them together because Gingy literally didnt leave Bumble alone for at least 4 hours. As soon as i seperated them Bumble was popcorning around the cage lol.
I think the larger space is def going to help.
I found several tufts of Bumble hair around the cage tonight, i also took a tuft out of Gingys teeth too
I'll sleep in the living room again tonight, i couldnt forgive myself if something bad happened.
Thanks for your advice, i really appreciate it.

 

[Siikibam]

Pestering for hours is normal, as long as blood isn’t drawn. Our dominant boy pestered his cage mate for at least 3 hours - chasing, rumble strutting, teeth chattering andmounting/humping. It probably stopped when Fudge had enough and took a misplaced swipe at Toffee. I came down to find a small wound on his bottom lid. It’s just hormones

Have you left them together tonight then? It’s not really advisable to separate and put together. They’ll just keep repeating the dominance play out each time as they have to start from scratch.

 

[JEFF&JOJO]

Hope last night went okay! I slept in the living room one night too, lol! I think a bigger cage will definitely help and will keep my fingers crossed for you. Let us know how you get on and good luck! Xx

 

[RicoandRocky]

Ino how you feel I was told the same thing when i got my two boys i was a first time owner just like you. It broke my heart seeing my two boys fighting because the where brothers both the same age i thought it would work out fine then i realised they would hit teenage years st the same time cause them to fight over domanince. Rocky who i call big brother would pick at rico all the time because rico would not fight back.
Things you should have for this:
1. Two seperate sleeping places in the cage for them.
2. Two bowls for food.
3.and hides have a door in and a door out so one piggies doesn't get cornered.
4. A big enough cage.
5. A back up plan incase u need to seperate them.
6. Dont be too quick to decide there not going to work I was going to seperate my boys which I did not want to do then i waited it out for a bit and now the snuggle together, worry when seperated and if one is scaredthe other will comfort him.(this pic is from when i was cleaning there cage )

 

[Bumble1]

Pestering for hours is normal, as long as blood isn’t drawn. Our dominant boy pestered his cage mate for at least 3 hours - chasing, rumble strutting, teeth chattering andmounting/humping. It probably stopped when Fudge had enough and took a misplaced swipe at Toffee. I came down to find a small wound on his bottom lid. It’s just hormones


Have you left them together tonight then? It’s not really advisable to separate and put together. They’ll just keep repeating the dominance play out each time as they have to start from scratch.

I put them in the cage together after 3 hours of floor time. I think they prefer to be in a bigger space than the cage they are in now. They were ok to start but after an hour Gingy started and didnt stop for hours. On much more than one occasion poor Bumbles whole body gets pinned up above the tray section of their cage ((tray sides are about 6")currently they're in a Ferplast cage). Its the way it has been every day for the last few months. The chasing, rumble strutting, teeth chattering etc I know they have to go through, but its like the wall of death for hours. When I'm holding Bumble and stroking him you can tell hes in pain. He's whimpering all the time so I took him to the vets today and explained whats going on. Physically hes ok (except for the pain), the vet said the pain is probably down to whats been going on. Several times last night I took tufts of hair out of Gingys teeth and from in the cage.
The c&c cage came today,. It didnt arrive til late so tomorrow I'll put it up and change them over. I've had to sell my display cabinet to fit the new cage in lol.
On a plus, today they have been really good. Whereas befor they'd have floor time 3 hours straight. Today I split it to 2 hours this morning and 2 hours early evening. I'm not saying thats the answer but i'll take it for as long as it lasts .

 

[Bumble1]

Hiya
I want to thank you all for your advice and support. I really appreciate your ideas and suggestions and I'm putting things in place to help Gingy and Bumble.
I live in a 1 bedroom flat, I don't have much space so I have had to sell my display cabinet to fit the new c&c cage
My mum thinks I am bonkers but she knows how much I love my little munchkin and I'll do everything I can so that they are living the dream . Out of the money I got for the cabinet I bought lots of toys, more hiding places. I've ordered a double castle with 2 ramps, the pinapple pigpods came back today.
I've built half of the new cage, i cant do anymore until the cabinet goes because i havent got the room, its going on the weekend. I'm so excited its like Christmas all over again
**UPDATE**
Since chatting with you all I've changed several things and learned a lot. During floor time they only had the usual squabbles bit thats ok. The space they have on the floor is 3 times the size of their current cage. When they got back in the cage the fighting would start. I honestly think that the limited space has something to do with it (along with raging hormones). If anyone asked me what cage I'd recommend for 2 guinea pigs, it definitely wouldn't be a 120 x 60 !
I've changed how i give them floor time. It used to be 3 hours straight, ive dived to 2 hours per day 11am - 1pm and 5pm - 7pm.
I'm not saying that it's a miracle and changing floor time was the breakthrough but it has helped immensely. They still have their squabbles but its not raging like it was. I'm not seeing Bumble s whole body doing the wall of death above the grey tray that they are in (sides are 8"..ish). I could actually see poor Bumbles back paws.
Someone suggested doing things the same time cos they dont like change. I've started sitting at the cage the same times every day. They know now that when the see me coming in the left side of the cage it's "squeak time" (chat time). When I give them treats (which is a few bits of parsley heads) its the same time every day.
Thanks to you all again, I will post some pics of the new cage when it's reafy and please tell if ive done anything wrong or if i need to change anything. I won't take it personally, i would rather know.
Take care
Andrea, Bumble & Gingy

 

[Julie M]

Glad things are calming down. Boys are so naughty but I wouldn't be without mine.