Dobbins and Oti had a falling out

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My two boars, Oti and Dobbins have been getting along since early January of this year. Oti has been the dominant one, but has been pretty magnanimous. He would occasionally kick Dobbins out of a hidey, but Dobbins would vacate and move to the other one and that would be it. Oti would even let Dobbins share a hay rack and water bottle. They would occasionally get ticked off at each other and play "whose nose is higher" but it'd be over a few minutes later and generally they got along well.

That seems to have changed. Yesterday morning I woke up to find Oti hiding in the corner inside the Guineadad fleece pocket, and he wouldn't come out even for the morning veggies. I put some of the veggies in the pocket with him which he ate up. When I came back home in the evening Oti was still hiding in the same corner. I tried to chase him out of the pocket, and he went into one of the hideys, then the other. At this point Dobbins noticed he was out and two began chattering their teeth at each other louder than I've ever heard. Dobbins then chased Oti around a bit before Oti finally went back in the corner. I checked inside the pocket and noticed that there was a lot of poop, most of it quite tiny.

So basically, Dobbins has finally figured out that he's the much larger boar, by about 200 g, and has flipped the hierarchy. And he's become a bully.

Last night I separated them. I put Oti into a temporary enclosure and gave him plenty of hay, pellets and water, plus his share of the veggies. He's been happily eating and this morning his poop looked normal.

I think I'd like to at least try to reintroduce them, but I understand that once there's been a falling out often that's it. I wasn't expecting this to happen as they are past the hormonal stage. Oti is 2 years old and Dobbins is 2 years 8 months. But I do wonder. I've recently been limiting their pellets due to Dobbins gaining weight. That might have been a mistake which triggered this blowup. Or maybe not. I can put a divider in the pen if needed, but I'd much rather they go back to being willing pen buddies.
 
If there hasn't been any fighting, perhaps it might be best to leave the two together and keep an eye on them instead of separating them, as you should only separate in severe cases such as bloody fights. My two had extreme teeth chattering and were fighting one night, and after a couple days all was back to normal and they were popcorning together, but I didn't separate otherwise it would've interrupted what seemed to be a 'dominance battle'. An older more experienced user could give you some better advice, but I hoped this helps and that things get better!
 
If there hasn't been any fighting, perhaps it might be best to leave the two together and keep an eye on them instead of separating them, as you should only separate in severe cases such as bloody fights. My two had extreme teeth chattering and were fighting one night, and after a couple days all was back to normal and they were popcorning together, but I didn't separate otherwise it would've interrupted what seemed to be a 'dominance battle'. An older more experienced user could give you some better advice, but I hoped this helps and that things get better!

The reason I separated them is because Dobbins was preventing Oti from eating. Otherwise, yes, I'd let them sort themselves out on their own.
 
My two boars, Oti and Dobbins have been getting along since early January of this year. Oti has been the dominant one, but has been pretty magnanimous. He would occasionally kick Dobbins out of a hidey, but Dobbins would vacate and move to the other one and that would be it. Oti would even let Dobbins share a hay rack and water bottle. They would occasionally get ticked off at each other and play "whose nose is higher" but it'd be over a few minutes later and generally they got along well.

That seems to have changed. Yesterday morning I woke up to find Oti hiding in the corner inside the Guineadad fleece pocket, and he wouldn't come out even for the morning veggies. I put some of the veggies in the pocket with him which he ate up. When I came back home in the evening Oti was still hiding in the same corner. I tried to chase him out of the pocket, and he went into one of the hideys, then the other. At this point Dobbins noticed he was out and two began chattering their teeth at each other louder than I've ever heard. Dobbins then chased Oti around a bit before Oti finally went back in the corner. I checked inside the pocket and noticed that there was a lot of poop, most of it quite tiny.

So basically, Dobbins has finally figured out that he's the much larger boar, by about 200 g, and has flipped the hierarchy. And he's become a bully.

Last night I separated them. I put Oti into a temporary enclosure and gave him plenty of hay, pellets and water, plus his share of the veggies. He's been happily eating and this morning his poop looked normal.

I think I'd like to at least try to reintroduce them, but I understand that once there's been a falling out often that's it. I wasn't expecting this to happen as they are past the hormonal stage. Oti is 2 years old and Dobbins is 2 years 8 months. But I do wonder. I've recently been limiting their pellets due to Dobbins gaining weight. That might have been a mistake which triggered this blowup. Or maybe not. I can put a divider in the pen if needed, but I'd much rather they go back to being willing pen buddies.

Hi! The smaller poos can indicate a diminished appetite and an underlying health problem; this can lead to a change in the hierarchy, either an attempt or a successful hostile takeover.

I would recommend to split them temporarily, switch from weighing weekly to weighing daily at the same time and if necessary to see a vet.

Adult boars can still suffer the odd strong hormone spike. Generally they will go back together on neutral within a couple of days providing there has been no serious fight or illness.
Bonds In Trouble
 
maybe try a bigger cage or hutch or c n c
Their C&C is already 90 in x 30 in. That should be plenty of room for two boars. However they only had one water bottle and hay rack. I'll probably make sure they have two of everything if the reintroduction is successful.
 
Hi! The smaller poos can indicate a diminished appetite and an underlying health problem; this can lead to a change in the hierarchy, either an attempt or a successful hostile takeover.

I would recommend to split them temporarily, switch from weighing weekly to weighing daily at the same time and if necessary to see a vet.

Adult boars can still suffer the odd strong hormone spike. Generally they will go back together on neutral within a couple of days providing there has been no serious fight or illness.
Bonds In Trouble

Oti's appetite definitely seemed to return to normal once he was separated. I had to replenish his hay this morning. The advice to weigh daily is good. I will definitely do that.
 
Hope things work out for the boys.
I wondered how old they are and if their age contributed to this fallout?
 
Update: Oti has been gaining weight little by little throughout the week. Yesterday morning I decided to try putting him back in the cage, but with a divider separating them. There was a lot of teeth chattering, puffy hair and "yawning" early on. Over the course of the day that quieted down a lot. Oti lost some weight yesterday, but he wasn't really eating yesterday morning. Now he is eating normally from his hay rack and pellet bowl. The piggies do interact at the divider from time to time, sometimes chattering teeth, sometimes playing "whose nose is higher", but sometimes just "talking".
 
Update: I was right. Yesterday's weight loss was due to the stress of putting them beside each other. Tonight Oti had gained those 22 grams back and a bit more. Both piggies have calmed down and the teeth chattering has stopped. They occasionally "talk" to each other.
 
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