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does anyone know anything about tumours in guinea pigs

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wednesday - took ches to the vets because he had a bloated tum and gas. he passed the gas, his tum de-bloated but when i felt it i could feel a lump and all around it was swollen. the vet checked him and said it was in the stomach area, right in the middle of his underneath, but they couldn't be sure what it was as it could be the stomach area, spleen, other things etc. he said it was fairly big and hard rough edges. it wasn't smooth like most non-problematic lumps. ches was eating slower but still eating. he had normal gut sounds and was pooping, weeing and drinking normally. he was booked to have xrays on friday morning. he was put on metacam and marbocyl. the vet wanted him on a high metacam dose which makes me think he knew he would be in alot of pain? the lump was tender to touch for him.

wednesday - he was eating bits but not enough so i began syringe feeding him recovery food and water. and also his meds. he took them fine for the first couple of feeds but through the night he didn't seem to want them. i have syringe fed him before and did it the same this time, and tried to make sure he was swallowing aswell, but i few times it seemed like he was having trouble swallowing anything. he wouldn't eat anything at this point. he refused his favourite foods. once or twice he went to eat them, but when his lips touched the food, he pulled away from it. at this point he was resting alot in the cage, and wouldn't move from the spot he was in, although when i put the carrier in, he ran and got in it so he could move. he seemed a little wheezy almost the last syringe feed, but not alot. like tiny puffs of air out of his nose.

thursday - when i got up i could hear a very loud crackling noise from the cage and got ches out. again, he got into the carrier and on my knee i could hear loud wheezing and loud crackling. when i listened to his chest it was crackling and clicking very loudly. he was unsteady on his feet when back in the cage,. we immediately rang the vets and rushed him in. he sounded quieter by this point and in the vets he looked fairly bright, just sounded a bit wheezy.

the vets said later on that he was taking syringe feeds well and his gut sounds were good, he must have been nibbling bits of food at home and with them aswell. he was still pooping etc. they said he was not maintaining his temperature very well but they had managed to rectify that and he was now nice and warm and snuggled up with maisie. they said he was doing ok. the vet had checked him and he seemed to be doing well, the lump and swelling was still there, but ches was comfortable and they wanted to keep him in overnight for xrays the next morning as already planned. they were hopeful he would begin eating more and more on his own.

not long after the vet rang to say that on his checks he noticed ches was breathing alot louder and the crackling was very loud. he was on the verge of collapse so they gave him pain relief and something to make him comfortable and transferred him to an incubator. he was very cold again. by the time they moved him to the incubator, he had passed away. the vet said he thinks it was a tumour in chesneys stomach region - either the stomach or somewhere else in that area. he thinks this because it had already grown more overnight and he thinks it affected chesneys lungs and breathing etc. he was also doing a choking noise, kind of looking like he was heaving, like pushing his throat forward and his body. that was aswell as the crackling. he passed quickly. he was doing well and then just was gone.

what i want to know is - do you think the vets are right in thinking it was more than likely a tumour? and that is why his breathing was affected?

i am thinking i might have caused him to get fluid in his lungs maybe with syringe feeding. they didn't think so but would they tell me if they did, you know. i don't know if this is my fault 8...8...8...

how does their body normally shut down? i have read that they all seem to get some funny breathing at the end? but i don't know. 8...
 
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((HUGS))- I'm so sorry. I don't know a whole lot about tumours. I have, unfortunately, lost many small animals over the years, and what your vet describes sounds like the process they go through when they pass away- regardless of the reason. It does sound as if his body had had enough and simply shut down and stopped. I sadly lost one of my pigs a couple of years ago, after an abscessed tooth led to infection in the jawbone that she just couldn't beat. In her last few hours, her breathing got ragged and she was obviously not maintaining her body temperature. She passed away shortly thereafter. What happened with Ches sounds very similar to what happened to her, and what I've seen with a variety of small animals (mice, hedgehogs, etc.) when it's their time. I really do not think it was anything to do with syringe-feeding or anything like that. Unfortunatetly, this is what seems to happen when it's their time to go. Again, I'm so sorry, I know it hurts, but I really, REALLY do not think this is your fault.
 
Hi, I'm so sorry for all that you are going through and feeling.

I am absolutely certain that what is happened is in no way your fault, you did everything you could for him. I use the same vets as you and they are very very good, I know Aidan wasn't there, was it Sergio who treated Ches? He looked after my pig early last year and was excellent with him. It really sounds like it was just Ches's time to go, and the vets would have done everything they could for him. I know from your previous posts that you always got expert care very quickly for your pigs, you did exactly the same this time, only sadly the outcome was different for Ches.

I understand that you feel some level of guilt and responsibility, is is only human and I would be the same. Everyone grieves differently and you will need time to process the shock, the guilt, the sadness because what you are going through is so difficult, but I do hope you start to feel better soon. Massive hugs from me, Burt and Clive x
 
I know exactly what you're going through. My 18 month Madam fell ill a fortnight ago & even though I did everything possible to save her including staying up with her & syringe feeding both mashed food & water she eventually had no fight left in her & was so weak 8 days ago that I felt all I could do was have her PTS to save her any more distress. I have been distraught with grief & keep blaming myself but everyone has told me I did all I could. The other 3 girls are helping me get through this & they're probably getting a lot more love from me. Whatever you do, don't blame yourself, you've doing everything correctly. x
 
oh this is so hard. i can't bear it. 8...

sorry if this brings back any hard memories for anyone.

bessiehen - it was sergio who looked after ches. we saw him wednesday evening, and again thursday morning. i was nervous because we usually see aidan, but sergio was very good, and he looked after ches at the end, along with some nurses aswell. he was very nice to me when giving the bad news. when we collected ches thursday evening, we got stuck in traffic and got there when they were closing, but the nurses were lovely and said i could take as much time as i needed in the room with him before we set off back home. they sent me a card aswell which arrived yesterday.

i've got so many emotions going round and i can't eat or sleep. and now i am a bit concerned about maisie. she seemed to perk up yesterday but i have just fed her breakfast and she seemed jumpy and nervous. she looks sad again. i hope she isn't getting depressed. she is eating fine, but she seems lonely. 8...
 
Ah. Sergio was so good with our pig, very affectionate and gave him lots of strokes and cuddles when he was treating him, he even gave him a little nose to nose rub and made a funny noise that Clive seemed to like very much! I'm sure he was the same with your boy. Don't be too hard on yourself, you are bound to have difficulty eating, sleeping etc. I'm sure Maisie will need a little time to be sad as well but with your care she will be OK. x
 
oh this is so hard. i can't bear it. 8...

sorry if this brings back any hard memories for anyone.

bessiehen - it was sergio who looked after ches. we saw him wednesday evening, and again thursday morning. i was nervous because we usually see aidan, but sergio was very good, and he looked after ches at the end, along with some nurses aswell. he was very nice to me when giving the bad news. when we collected ches thursday evening, we got stuck in traffic and got there when they were closing, but the nurses were lovely and said i could take as much time as i needed in the room with him before we set off back home. they sent me a card aswell which arrived yesterday.

i've got so many emotions going round and i can't eat or sleep. and now i am a bit concerned about maisie. she seemed to perk up yesterday but i have just fed her breakfast and she seemed jumpy and nervous. she looks sad again. i hope she isn't getting depressed. she is eating fine, but she seems lonely. 8...

I'm so so sorry.

I don't have any experience with tumours, but the noises that you describe with his breathing happened in just the same way for my Benny shortly before he passed. I remember thinking that it sounded like he had a cold, and he made a sort of sniffly/crackly noise when he breathed. The temperature drop is also a sure sign that they can no longer maintain their body temperature.

He was certainly a fighter, but he could only fight for so long. It was his time to go. It sounds like you have a very good vet who I'm sure would have done everything for him right until the end. The pain medication would have also ensured that he did not feel anything, and he would have passed away peacefully.

Most of us on here have lost piggies, so completely understand how you feel. My Benny passed away during the early hours of a Monday morning and I remember having to go to work later that day to teach a seminar. I hadn't slept at all that night and was a complete mess. Goodness knows what I said to my students!

I found it helped to transfer all the emotions that I had in missing Benny, to caring for his brother. My husband and I spent every free minute that we had over the next few days chatting and cuddling Jerry. We also temporarily moved his cage into the lounge so that he could be with us.

Some people find that their remaining pigs respond to a small teddy of some kind that you could place in Maisie's cage for company. It worked for a day or two with Jerry (he would sleep next to it) but then he got fed up and started ignoring it. If you do do this it would probably be best to keep an eye on her with it, just in case she decided to chew it, but it may be some comfort for her.
 
When a guinea pig (or any other animal for that matter), is dying, it's body will be shutting down. The fluidy noises are most likely where the heart wasn't beating as efficiently, resulting in a build up of fluid in the lungs.

If it had been due to syringe feeding, violent coughing would have occurred immediately during the feed.
 
Yes it wouldn't have been your fault! It would have been obvious I think as Amanda has said if the fluid was going down the wrong pipe. Unfortunately these small animals can get poorly so quickly, he may have been poorly for a while & was hiding it as that is what they do.

Please don't blame yourself, I had to have a piggy put to sleep last year & I have battled with guilt as feel I didn't spot things soon enough, but he was eating one day & not the next. They are terribly good at fooling us.

I'm so sorry, I am sure that you did all and more that you could x
 
It really isn't your fault. My piggy had a tumor, it was aggressive and killed her within 4 weeks. I thought (and the vet) that she had a URI as well. I treated her with Baytril (then switched to Bactrim since the Baytril lowered her appetite) and Metacam. She slowly declined. I did everything I could, she continued to eat until the last day. Baby food, greens, hay, electrolytes, cc care, vit c. the works. I thought the crackling was dust in the hay, so I kept the cage spotless and the hay very isolated in one place. The crackling still came and went. I think the wheezing could have either been from the tumor advancing or the immune system down or what Amanda 1801 said. By no means is it your fault. In fact just the opposite, you were very attentive, made note of everything that didn't seem right (which can be very subtle and overlooked) and took him in. They are such little creatures. My vet said tumors can be extremely aggressive and if near an organ can cause other problems. It's possible that the tumors was pushing on his stomach and making him uncomfortable when eating and/or not allowing him to absorb all the nutrients. I'm so sorry for your loss. It was very hard going through it with my girl. Hang in there, you were a good mommy.
 
hi everyone. I hope you all are well. A few months ago I had lost one of my piggies due a few complications. Now her cagemate is ill. I found a few lumps near her nipple area and her stomach. I used to show the vet in Basingstoke but I moved to London and having trouble finding a good guinea pig vet. The Basingstoke vet said it could be hernia or enlarged lymph nodes but when i took her to the pets at home vets ( which is the regular now at the moment as we have moved to london), they said it is a mammory tumor. There's about 4 lumps. So a need aspiration was done yesterday and was waiting for the results. The vet has guinea pigs himself so i feel a bit better to show him as I think if the vets have guinea pigs themselves then they have a better understanding about them? He said that if the results do come back cancerous, then choco will have to have both her nipples removed and her lumps so its a major operation. I couldnt bear the thought of losing her due to the anasthesia but I'm in such a dilema at the momment. I'm worrying constantly because I dont want her to have cancer, and if she does I dont want her to have a major operation and then not survive through it. Please an anyone help me with this about what they would do in this situation and if they have had any experience of removing mammory tumors and chances of survival. Also does anyone know of a good guinea pig vet that I could do the operation with or is it best to stick with the guy at pets at home? I currently live in the Isleworth area, next to Brentford. Please message me asap. Thank you x
 
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