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Dot, blood in urine again

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Just noticed tonight that Dot has blood in her urine again and around her vulva. Not thick, just diluted around her fur. Pretty sure its i.c ( vet thought so after no meds worked) as this has been going on for a year, we have tried 3 or 4 different antibiotics, she had an xray a year ago, no stones showed up, and has had a scan again in may this year, before her spay and uterus removal op. Nothing showed up then either.

Loxicom seems to help deal with it, cystease i tried and it didnt help atall

I thought the bleeding was from her uterine tumour, but she has peed blood twice since the op on 3rd may this year.

I now want to go down the diet route properly, so please can anyone who has been through the same or is going through the same, advise me veg or leafy food to avoid.

The positive points are
. No yelping when urinating
. No appetite loss
.no lack of activity
 
After struggling for a year with Lucy and her ongoing IC I feel we are finally making some headway.

To get it under control I started with daily Metacam and Cystease - the Cystease can take a while to kick in so stick with it for a month before giving up.
And then I cut her diet back to absolute basics with only a small amount of grain free pellets and hay - that is it for 2 weeks.
After that I slowly introduced one new food at a time to try and find her triggers.
It has taken weeks and some very detailed food diaries to work things out, but I do now feel I know what her triggers might be, and am feeling more confident we are getting it under control.

But if Dot is not in pain when she wees and has no other symptoms like weight loss, and does not sem to respond to Cystease, then what makes you think it might be IC?
The most common classic symptom is pain during urination, and it sounds like she doesn't have this.
Is it just the blood in her urine?
 
Because my vet ( cat and rabbit care clinic, thinks it was this in the end) ( mild) after trying lots of things.

I have her on grain free pellets, filtered water. I did fees kale a bit before the bloody pee happened, guess it could be a trigger.

Sorry il reply more later. Just started work
 
No stones were found on original xray, she would be helping with this quite likely anyway.

If she had an infection all this time, she would be dead by now, anyway, the zythromax or marbocyl, or baytril ( tried all 3) would have got rid of an infection surely.

I.c is the only thing it can be i think, no sludge showed up either, i have read a few old threads on here and different forums, about mild i.c .

I will cut out kale now, thats for sure.

Thanks for the replys
 
Aw, can’t offer advice but just wanted to send you both hugs and hope Dot recovers quickly!
 
I'm sorry that Dot is passing blood again :(

Ellen's IC is on the mild side but it sadly causes her some pain when she's having a flare and she loses weight. She's now in her third year of having this horrible illness. Emma had it for 3 years.

I've told you my diet before which is the recommended IC diet which my vet agreed with nearly 4 years ago
 
Claire W said:
I'm sorry that Dot is passing blood again :(

Ellen's IC is on the mild side but it sadly causes her some pain when she's having a flare and she loses weight. She's now in her third year of having this horrible illness. Emma had it for 3 years.

I've told you my diet before which is the recommended IC diet which my vet agreed with nearly 4 years ago
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I forgot sorry. Thansks for the reply
 
Honestly you wouldnt know anything is wrong with Dot. Totally perky and bright. Just the blood is the issue
 
Swissgreys said:
After struggling for a year with Lucy and her ongoing IC I feel we are finally making some headway.

To get it under control I started with daily Metacam and Cystease - the Cystease can take a while to kick in so stick with it for a month before giving up.
And then I cut her diet back to absolute basics with only a small amount of grain free pellets and hay - that is it for 2 weeks.
After that I slowly introduced one new food at a time to try and find her triggers.
It has taken weeks and some very detailed food diaries to work things out, but I do now feel I know what her triggers might be, and am feeling more confident we are getting it under control.

But if Dot is not in pain when she wees and has no other symptoms like weight loss, and does not sem to respond to Cystease, then what makes you think it might be IC?
The most common classic symptom is pain during urination, and it sounds like she doesn't have this.
Is it just the blood in her urine?
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Your reply i totally appreciate 👍. I'm just quickly skimming through posts whilst at work
 
Another thing that points to i.c is the flare ups. Fine for weeks, then blood. Fine again then yep blood... and also she has always been a confident, but yet alwayd on alert kind of pig, quite nervous to sudden noises , more than any other pig i have had, they do say i.c is stress related.
 
SkyPipDotBernie said:
Another thing that points to i.c is the flare ups. Fine for weeks, then blood. Fine again then yep blood... and also she has always been a confident, but yet alwayd on alert kind of pig, quite nervous to sudden noises , more than any other pig i have had, they do say i.c is stress related.
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Has your vet tested the urine for blood? Ellen’s urine often looks clear but there’s always a trace of blood when her urine is tested
 
Claire W said:
Has your vet tested the urine for blood? Ellen’s urine often looks clear but there’s always a trace of blood when her urine is tested
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He did before, it was clear and did show up tiny amount of blood.

I think i am onto something with kale, i fed it at around 5pm yesterday and the blood came at about 12 midnight. I will cut this out
 
I agree it does sound like the kale could be an issue.
When we are dealing with an IC flare pretty much everything green and leafy is the first to go.

As I said earlier to work out the triggers (which clearly are different for every guinea pig) I cut out all fresh and took it slowly from there.
I started adding cucumber and pepper, and then gradually introduced other things, but basically Lucy never gets anything green and leafy these days except as a very rare treat.
 
Swissgreys said:
I agree it does sound like the kale could be an issue.
When we are dealing with an IC flare pretty much everything green and leafy is the first to go.

As I said earlier to work out the triggers (which clearly are different for every guinea pig) I cut out all fresh and took it slowly from there.
I started adding cucumber and pepper, and then gradually introduced other things, but basically Lucy never gets anything green and leafy these days except as a very rare treat.
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You are a star, thankyou 👍👍👍👍

Thankyou for using your free time to answer my questions. And everybody else
 
furryfriends (TEAS) said:
You've got the best vets, so I would be looking at getting an appointment with either Simon or Kim, when they're back next week. In the meantime, give Loxicom each end of day, if you've got any.
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I do have some, enough until next week.

I must add, when i was as the vets continuously, around the time after you boarded Dot for me last year. Even simon was stumped on what to do next. No antibiotic touched it. Nothing worked, I'm not worried, because Dot would have beem seriously ill by now. I remember i gave it one last try to get Dot sorted earlier this year, thats when the cervical tumour was found( now sorted and operated on).

The last antibiotic i tried was marbocyl( late last year)Simon wasnt keen on me keep giving her antibiotics, but i pushed for it.

I will be getting a stock up of loxicom though 👍 and i am starting an elimination process on her veg. Kale being the first suspect as of last night.

These blumming pigs!I need my old boar Sky back, he was so problem free lol. I do hope Bernie is a reliable chap. Too young to tell
 
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Point 1: IC is Sterile Interstitial Cystitis. .. it is not caused by infection and therefore won’t respond to antibiotics.

I appreciate an IC pig may also get an infection , and therefore may need antibiotics in these circumstances, But antibiotics won’t work to treat IC .
 
Veggies Galore said:
Point 1: IC is Sterile Interstitial Cystitis. .. it is not caused by infection and therefore won’t respond to antibiotics.

I appreciate an IC pig may also get an infection , and therefore may need antibiotics in these circumstances, But antibiotics won’t work to treat IC .
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Can i.c turn to an infection though. Which i thought was just cystitis.
 
SkyPipDotBernie said:
Can i.c turn to an infection though. Which i thought was just cystitis.
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cystitis is a term which means inflammation of the bladder . Sometimes this is caused by a bacterial infection - which can be treated with antibiotics . IC is inflammation NOT caused by infection and therefore won't respond to antibiotics.
 
I was chatting with Simon and Kim recently about bladder issues in piggies and they were telling me that in a recent webinar by John Chitty, he is of the opinion that a lot of bladder issues are related to stress, in the same way that cats get idiopathic cystitis. He says the way we keep piggies nowadays can be stressful for a prey animal, as a lot of the time they are kept in busy parts of the house, near other animals, they are handled a lot and the diet they are fed isn't always ideal. He says they should be spending much more time outdoors, in runs with safe places to hide, eating a natural diet of grass and hay.
 
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