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Eating Well, But Drastic Weight Loss

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Hi I would really appreciate any advice as I am at a loss.
I have two boars (brothers aged 13 mths). One (Cinnamon) became unwell in December with a small bladder stone which he was treated for with antibiotic (baytril which didn't work well, so he also had septrin which seemed to help) and required syringe feeding (Critical Care) as he stopped eating. He recovered although not back to previous weight (1030g), at best he got to 900g. He produced orange urine in January so returned to the vet and had another xray which didn't show any stones, he didn't have any signs of infection or blood or protein so again I supported him with syringe feeding as he had lost some appetite. We gave him metacam in case he was inflammed from the previous stone and he picked up again almost to 900g. I have avoided high calcium veg in case it encouraged more bladder stones. I stopped the metacam after a week and initially he seemed ok, then looked unhappy (sitting in the corner, sunken eyes and quiet) so I restarted the metacam and he seemed to pick up again.
A week ago he again looked unhappy although was keen to eat (hay, veggies and nuggets) so we returned to the vet. He had blood tests and an xray and a urine sample as well. Nothing abnormal on any tests and he continues to eat well and drink well. No suspicious lumps or bumps have been found on vet exam, he's had his teeth checked fully twice now and all ok, his poo and wee are normal, still has an orange tinge sometimes. He has always been quieter than his brother and when unwell barely makes a sound when held. His weight dropped at the lowest to 650gm last week with no loss of appetite, I have restarted the syringe feeding and today his weight has reached 700gm (I weigh him at at the same time every day). Other information - currently I have separated him by wire mesh from his brother so I can monitor his food intake and because his brother pesters him when he's not right (trying to mount him frequently). The boys have been kept inside since Cinnamon became unwell in December and have a large cage plus floor time inside. I have continued with the metacam since taking him to the vet last week but we are at a loss as to what is causing this weight loss despite him eating well.
I am also concerned that he may still be in pain/discomfort at times as sometimes he grinds his teeth but he lets me hold him and feed him, he has never made noises when weeing or pooing even with the stone. He has become more affectionate but I have put this down to the frequent handling and feeding over the last couple of months.
Many thanks.
 
Hi, welcome to the forum. Do you know if your vet has considered Interstitial cystitis (inflammation of the bladder)? or has he had any blood tests to check for renal issues?

Is he still on Metacam?
 
Hi, welcome to the forum. Do you know if your vet has considered Interstitial cystitis (inflammation of the bladder)? or has he had any blood tests to check for renal issues?

Is he still on Metacam?
Hi Helen,
Thanks for the reply. The vet thought if it was cystitis it would have been helped with the metacam but he is still on it at present in case he is suffering from inflammation as when I stop he does seem to have signs of pain (more hunched, quiet and less active). He has been on the metacam more than off it. The blood tests checked renal and liver function, and glucose levels all of which where normal. The vet thoroughly examined him and didn't find any tender areas, nor signs on xray although inflammation won't show up on xray. The urine test was negative for protein, blood, ketones, glucose and white cells.
 
The next step would be to do an ultrasound on his bladder etc, this can be done conscious. The teeth grinding is a pain response, you can ask your vet to add Tramodol to his meds, it's a good pain relief & can be given as well as Metacam. Can I ask what type of Metacam (Dog/cat) & what dose you are giving him?
 
Thank you for the ultrasound suggestion and tramadol. He's on cat metacam and a 3kg dose.
 
I'm not familiar with the Cat one unfortunately. It sounds like you need to get his pain relief sorted out first, what happened to the bladder stone? It is possible he is suffering from an inflamed gritty bladder, even if the stone has gone (Although I am not sure boars can pass stones naturally) & really you would then need to manage his condition. Do you regularly test his urine for blood & protein? If you have the dipsticks to check for those, then I would check his wee, if not you can purchase them on Amazon, urinalysis sticks I think they are called. It may also be worth giving him a course of Marbocyl antibiotic to eliminate any infections.
 
I and the vets have tested his urine a few times and its clear on blood, protein, ketones and glucose, and his blood test last week showed no sign of infection. He's had three xrays since becoming unwell, the first showed two small white dots in his bladder that weren't palpable but he was treated with antibiotics (baytril and then septrin as the baytril didn't seem to help) as well as metacam. The second and third xrays didn't show any more white spots and the vets showed me the images so they had to presume he'd managed to pass them. The vet didn't feel there were any signs of grit or sludge, and are not recommending surgery when there isn't anything on xray to go on. I'm also concerned that he has no reserve at present to cope with an anaesthetic and surgery without a clearer need for an operation. I have discussed with the vets and they are mystified at present too. My other thoughts were whether its something metabolic/hormonal or some undetected cancer that would explain the weight loss but these are our first guinea pigs so it's all been new and a bit unexpected.
 
Oh dear poor you! :( I definitely think the ultrasound is the way to go, no need for a GA & maybe the vet can look at his bladder, liver, heart etc. It's worth a try. Weight loss can be down to stress too, maybe get him checked for any hair loss (Mites) etc. Other reasons could be oral thrush preventing him eating properly even if his teeth are fine, or on rare occasions it could be digestive problems or parasites, but that is very rare. Depending on how much you can afford to spend it might be worth doing a full fecal analysis, the sample would need to be sent off to Mary at Chester Zoo as she does a full analysis, whereas most vets will just do a fecal float.
 
Thank you for your help. I'll go back to the vets and ask about an ultrasound. The vet has checked him for skin and hair too, but i'll ask about the faecal sample. I asked if it could be parasites but as his stools look normal, the vet said I would have seen something abnormal by now due to the length of time passed. He's had two full 'dentals' to check his mouth and teeth, and he is eating everything as normal and as his brother does (who weighs 1100gm), sometimes he's eaten more. Thanks for your help; I have learnt a lot from the forum by reading lots of posts on a range of subjects, its a great resource.
 
I'd go for the ultrasound first in case that shows something, that way you don't have too much expense at once. Good luck & let us know how he gets on x
 
ask vet if he tested for geardia , ?
aparantly for best results a culture done over 3 days is best, this way it alows for the microscopic parasites life cycle (egg to full grown )

a broad spectem cultre
 
ask vet if he tested for geardia , ?
aparantly for best results a culture done over 3 days is best, this way it alows for the microscopic parasites life cycle (egg to full grown )

a broad spectem cultre
HI Sorry for the gap from last posting.
Cinnamon became more unwell yesterday and his urine tested positive to blood and protein so we've been back to the vets. There are no stones or sludge on images but he's tender on palpating around his bladder. He's been given septrin and cystaid, plus having metacam, probiotic and I'm supplementing with critical care. He's still eating well and drinking well, but his weight is now just 620g. From reading alot of very helpful posts elsewhere on the forum, I and the vet think he probably has got interstitial cystitis so I have read about the recommended diet for pigs prone to cystitis and stones and will change his nuggets and hay too. His veggies were already similar to the recommended ones. I hope he has enough reserve and that his age is on his side to help him too.
We discussed parasites but he has no symptoms and has been unwell on and off since the beginning of December with no change in bowel habits, and his brother is well having been exposed to all the same environment and food, so are thinking it very unlikely and not sending a stool sample at the moment for cultures. I'll let you know how he gets on. Thank you.
 
Hope the change in treatment helps. Cystaid is great, you may find a higher dose is needed if the vet has started on a low dose. I use Vegan Glucosamine for my IC pig (one of the ingredients in Cystaid) and have slowly worked up to a dose of 250mg a day, though 125mg can help. I think some vets start at 62.5mg a day.
 
Hope the change in treatment helps. Cystaid is great, you may find a higher dose is needed if the vet has started on a low dose. I use Vegan Glucosamine for my IC pig (one of the ingredients in Cystaid) and have slowly worked up to a dose of 250mg a day, though 125mg can help. I think some vets start at 62.5mg a day.
Thank you Helen, I have been given cystaid plus and told to give a quarter of a capsule a day, which on looking up each capsule is 125mg so its a very low dose. Do you think it should be more? I wasn't sure if his weight affects the dose. I have read a post I think you wrote on another thread about the vegan glucosamine. I have also wondered about the hay - I have meadow hay which is dust extracted for small animals from a fairly local Sussex source as the boys main food and then some Burgess Excell Timothy hay that they get a few times a week but in much smaller quantities. Do you think I need to change the hay? Many thanks for your help.
 
It could be because of the weight but worth checking with them.

Your hay seems ok but you could always add a few other types on rotation just for variety and for a treat. Mine love the Oxbow hays and Alfalfa King timothy hay. Burns green oat hay is nice too. I get it all from The Hay Experts online.
 
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