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Eddie Had A Dental Today

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babydoll said:
Good luck to your boys and mines he goes in tomorrow for dental work I'm ill thinking about it x
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i know the feeling. i am worried sick. and waiting for the phone call update is horrible. will be thinking of you tomorrow and sending lots of vibes. x
 
we're even more torn about what to do now because eddie has improved even further just in the time since i spoke to the vet. he's eaten a few pellets. this is the first time since the dental! and he's just come over for his tea and he's started eating cucumber and carrot again. i make it into tiny little chunks and he ate them really well. i just put little bits of a variety of things and he ate: the cucumber and carrot chunks, red mini cos lettuce, wild rocket and spinach. and he was definitely eating the leaves faster. so he's less tired now and able to try more, or his teeth now feel better to him. his grip has improved alot. he dropped a couple of pellets at first but then he managed to pick a few up, and keep them in his mouth (with a bit of 'nodding')

now we are worried that going back to the vets will set him back again, when we've worked hard to get to this point. i really don't know. some things today made us think 'bladder', but now i'm not sure. what if we put him through another vet visit, and another sedation and it is 'just' his teeth. but then what if it is something and it's just being controlled by the meds. i know i have to make the decision but it's really difficult to know what to do for the best sometimes.
 
Does your vet do ultrasounds at all? They can do these conscious & maybe it's a thought, just to spare him a GA although I think they only get a whiff of gas for an x-ray. I think I would be inclined to postpone any further invasive tests just now & give him another couple of days so you have a better picture as to what is happening with him at home x
 
Poppy'sMum said:
Does your vet do ultrasounds at all? They can do these conscious & maybe it's a thought, just to spare him a GA although I think they only get a whiff of gas for an x-ray. I think I would be inclined to postpone any further invasive tests just now & give him another couple of days so you have a better picture as to what is happening with him at home x
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yes they do ultrasounds. the vet said the same, that's it's literally a whiff of gas, even less than was needed for the dental itself, and he doesn't seem concerned about eddie having it at all. he said it's very very light and eddie won't be asleep for very long. just enough for them to take an xrays, bloods and a urine sample. and also have another quick check of his teeth.

my feeling at the moment is to monitor him for a bit longer, but i want to be sure because if we don't go by friday then it won't beable to be done until monday.

i will speak with the vet again hopefully first thing in the morning and see what he thinks. i over-worry and over-think but it's just so important when it's the health of your pet. you will all understand anyway as we've all been through it.

on another note - i think the oxbow critical care is amazing. i feel like it's done eddie the world of good. highly recommend it, aslong as they like the aniseed smell and taste (if i was a piggy, i would hate it :))) which thankfully eddie does. :luv:

will do his night time weigh-in later so fingers crossed he's stable again. that was our aim for now, just to stop the weight loss, which so far we have. :tu:

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after speaking with the vets again, i removed the hay area to see whether eddie was likely to be 'just' sitting in his own urine due to resting alot. he was dry today so i think that was the issue there. (being wet underneath was something that was concerning us)

he also started eating pepper and pellets again yesterday so is really improving with his eating.

i took him back to the vets this morning and i'm glad i did because the vet could properly see him and have a feel of him properly, the good news is that he said eddie definitely looks much brighter and he's stronger aswell. the vet had another check of his mouth and everything still looks good. eddie actually put up some resistance against the vet and headbutted the nurse aswell which is brilliant :)) because he didn't have the strength on monday to complain.

the vet had a good feel of eddie's bladder and couldn't feel anything wrong. eddie didn't respond in any way to indicate discomfort. displeasure at being manhandled yes :)) but no discomfort. his penis was checked and that's fine. he timed a wee perfectly so the vet could see that eddie urinated properly and the urine looked good.

eddie is also stable weight wise now. he's thin but at least the weight loss has stopped now. hopefully we can build up from here.

i said we weren't sure what to do from here but the vet thinks he seems better and so for now, we are going to continue to monitor him and see where we are then. but things are looking positive. :) obviously, straight back if eddie seems worse, or if a downward pattern of weight loss starts again.

he's had his last dose of the flagyl today so that's his five day course finished. he is staying on metacam, metaclopramide, cisapride for at least the next 7-10days. the vetergesic he is coming off tomorrow to see how he does. if we feel he is in pain, then we can always re-start it again. and continue syringe feeding aswell. about a packet a day, but adjusting depending on how much eddie is eating. he's eating a bit more veg now, and has started pellets again, and still eating the mix of softer hays aswell. so hopefully he will increase the amount he's eating for himself from now.

he's also moving around the cage more aswell.

i'm really pleased and hopefully this improvement continues. so as things stand, keep going as we are and i'll speak to the vet in 7-10days to re-assess again. :)
 
note to self - always remember to have a gut stimulant ready to go just incase :mal: and start syringe feeding straight away, whilst still allowing them to begin eating for themselves. oh, and also always have more towels and face cloths available for messy feeding and urine soaked piggy bottoms :))
 
i could cry i'm so happy with how eddie is doing. he's even brighter today. :yahoo:

he's off the flagyl and vetergesic now.

will be weighing him soon so fingers crossed he's still stable. i am hopeful though. :)
 
i'm wondering whether eddie needs to go back on the vetergesic again, or if i'm just expecting too much too soon. he's still wanting breakfast and tea and he seems to eat it fairly well. he's still nibbling bits of hay, but i haven't seen him eat any pellets.

he's started to really not want syringe feeling again. as a result he's slipped slightly in weight. i know people say be firm which i have been and that's why he's been having what he has so far.... but last night he wriggled and heaved. :( we're going super slowly with tiny amounts so i don't know why he did that. he hasn't done it again but now i'm worried about it going into his lungs. we've just done a feed and he would only take 3ml :( if i'd forced anymore than that he would have started panicking again.

so basically:

- he still has some pain that means he can't chew it
- he is just fed up of it (waiting on some critical care so he had to have recovery last night which he doesn't like, and excel mush the other times)
- he wants to eat more by himself

so we're a bit up in the air about whether to re-start the vetergesic because it will help any pain but obviously it has that sedative effect, although he tolerated it well.

in alot of ways he does seem better - eating breakfast and tea and running over for it. he's eating bits of hay, and yesterday where he'd been sat in the box, there was the biggest pile of poops so far. they're not great still but there was more of them. he's still strong and is now running away from me when i try to get him out for meds and feeds.

i feel like he needs more food but what can i do if he is making himself panic and choke? my hope is that when the critical care order finally arrives (it's taking ages) that he will take more food again because he likes it so much.

does anyone have any advice please?
 
also he can eat carrot peelings now aswell. so if he can eat those and his veg, surely he can chew the the recovery feed aswell?
 
Could he go onto Metacam if you think there is still an element of pain? Why was he on Vetergesic?
 
helen105281 said:
Could he go onto Metacam if you think there is still an element of pain? Why was he on Vetergesic?
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he's still on metacam. the vetergesic was because he was still in pain for some reason.

someone else suggested he may want to try for himself now and to reduce feeds but monitor closely. so far he seems to be doing ok. he's just eaten his veg and some of the pieces were the regular size i would normally do and he managed well. hoping it's just taking some time for him to build up the amount, especially with hay and pellets.

will of course keep an extra close eye on him and his weight. x
 
Have you tried baby food ellas kitchen organic one its just carrots? we are having the same kinda trouble with Junior at the moment he cant eat hay or vegs its so upsetting I don't want him to lose anymore weight x
 
babydoll said:
Have you tried baby food ellas kitchen organic one its just carrots? we are having the same kinda trouble with Junior at the moment he cant eat hay or vegs its so upsetting I don't want him to lose anymore weight x
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no, i haven't tried it. about to try him with the critical care again (finally got my delivery even though they sent the 36g bag instead of the 141g bag! but they've resent the right one straight away).. because i'm hoping that he will get back to normal syringe feeding with that one. i hope anyway. he seems to want to try himself to eat now but he can't eat enough.

it's so stressful and upsetting. :(
 
We kept Cookie on Vetergesic for around 3 weeks and weened her down slowly, it is a strong painkiller so maybe try reducing the dose that way. Love to Eddie, you are doing great x x
 
sport_billy said:
We kept Cookie on Vetergesic for around 3 weeks and weened her down slowly, it is a strong painkiller so maybe try reducing the dose that way. Love to Eddie, you are doing great x x
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the vet did say it was debatable whether he still needed it and to stop it and then i could always put him back on it if i felt he needed it. he's done saturday, sunday and today without it now, although i have the option to give it to him later.

what amount was cookie on? :)
 
he wouldn't eat any critical care off a plate, and we've attempted a syringe feed just incase it being cc made a difference. he took 2ml so even less, but then i made him a small plate of veg and softened oxbow pellets and he ate most of the veg and about 1/4 of the pellets. they weren't even that soft. just more crumbly. and he looked like he really enjoyed them.
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we think it seems like he wants normal food and nothing mushy now. he also prefers to drink from his bottle rather than be syringe fed water. sometimes i act as bottle holder whilst he's out of the cage and he seems to like that.
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and he left a little pile of poops in the box and they're actually not too bad.

does this sound more positive? he's still dropping bits but he doesn't seem as upset when he does now, and he keeps trying, whereas before he gave up. he still does some nodding to keep it in his mouth but less drops out now. maybe his muscles need to be worked and will become stronger?
 
biscandmatt said:
he wouldn't eat any critical care off a plate, and we've attempted a syringe feed just incase it being cc made a difference. he took 2ml so even less, but then i made him a small plate of veg and softened oxbow pellets and he ate most of the veg and about 1/4 of the pellets. they weren't even that soft. just more crumbly. and he looked like he really enjoyed them.
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we think it seems like he wants normal food and nothing mushy now. he also prefers to drink from his bottle rather than be syringe fed water. sometimes i act as bottle holder whilst he's out of the cage and he seems to like that.
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and he left a little pile of poops in the box and they're actually not too bad.

does this sound more positive? he's still dropping bits but he doesn't seem as upset when he does now, and he keeps trying, whereas before he gave up. he still does some nodding to keep it in his mouth but less drops out now. maybe his muscles need to be worked and will become stronger?
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yes, that sounds good as Cooks improved she was dropping but eating what she had dropped. She slowly got quicker and we started to increased the size of the food but only once she could eat all the little bits without masticating. It is a slow process, Eddie sounds like he is heading in the right direction. x
 
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