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Dental Eye was removed and now teeth are causing issues:-(

Buggster10

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Hi not sure which section to post this in. My mums guinea pig Hare had his eye removed a few weeks ago due to the eye drying out be sure of an abscess. ( I posted pics as we were so worried) he recovered superbly from that but then we noticed he started losing weight. Took him out to weigh him and he had lost weight since the operation. Then we note card his one tooth was incredibly long so took him straight back to vet and they trimmed it. Hare unfortunately still lost weight so started syringe feeding him critical care food from vets. Then on further examination they noticed his back teeth were overgrown and pressed mg his tongue down. We made the dreaded decision to let him go through another operation. His second one in a month:-(. He pulled through and is on critical care food again but the long post is because we really need advice. He is still struggling to eat. He is incredibly hungry and desperate to eat. He grabs the nuggets or the fresh veg runs off in to his house with it but then we see him struggling. It's as if it goes past his front teeth but he can't do anything with it? Then we see him pushing the food out with his paw? Please help! We don't know what rose to do? He is back at the vets again tomorrow so we will be asking for advice from them but wanted to see if anyone had any advice on here on what may be happening? :-(
 
keep syringe feeding as often as possible. when was his dental? it may be that his mouth is still sore. i syringe fed my boy after his dental for about two weeks until i was certain he was able to eat by himself. i'd also weigh him every day for now, to see if he is keeping his weight and if not, try to increase the feeds. there should be instructions on the packaging of the syringe food mix detailing how much he will need each day, as it depends on what brand you have and what it contains. is your vet piggy savvy? its good that hes made it through two operations in such a short space of time, particularly as eye removal is quite an intense op, but its common practice that front teeth are most often not the issue, and that its typically the molars, or back teeth, that are causing the problem, leading to the incisors growing in a peculiar way. where abouts are you based? if you could add your rough location to your profile, it will allow us to give you better advice as we will know what is available in your area :)
 
Buggster10 said:
Hi not sure which section to post this in. My mums guinea pig Hare had his eye removed a few weeks ago due to the eye drying out be sure of an abscess. ( I posted pics as we were so worried) he recovered superbly from that but then we noticed he started losing weight. Took him out to weigh him and he had lost weight since the operation. Then we note card his one tooth was incredibly long so took him straight back to vet and they trimmed it. Hare unfortunately still lost weight so started syringe feeding him critical care food from vets. Then on further examination they noticed his back teeth were overgrown and pressed mg his tongue down. We made the dreaded decision to let him go through another operation. His second one in a month:-(. He pulled through and is on critical care food again but the long post is because we really need advice. He is still struggling to eat. He is incredibly hungry and desperate to eat. He grabs the nuggets or the fresh veg runs off in to his house with it but then we see him struggling. It's as if it goes past his front teeth but he can't do anything with it? Then we see him pushing the food out with his paw? Please help! We don't know what rose to do? He is back at the vets again tomorrow so we will be asking for advice from them but wanted to see if anyone had any advice on here on what may be happening? :-(
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Please continue to syringe feed to make sure that he gets his nutrition.

It is very likely that a vet not experienced with guinea pig dentals has left the dental system unbalanced; very overgrown teeth can also impact on the jaw. The mouth will also be very sore. Have you been given painkillers?

@furryfriends (TEAS) is our dental care expert.
 
Here is he just after the operation at my mums home
 

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He was given an injection to help his gut work as wasn't pooping as not eating properly. He pood four small poops today which we were pleased at as it's been nothing. They then gave metacam that he has daily.
 
This was photo that the vet nurse took when he was under before they did his teeth. His front teeth were fine before the eye was removed then within one week the one tooth at the bottom had grown ridiculously long up to the roof of his mouth! So it got trimmed immediately.
 

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My sisters are syringe feeding him throughout the day and even twice in the night small amounts very slowly to avoid possible choking.
 
We are in Cardiff. There is origin vets in Cardiff who are specialised in exotic and guineas but they travel round lots of vets. The vet that did the op seemed to know slot bout guineas and teeth? We think they filed them right down. He goes back tomorrow. Then monthly for dental checkups. They said they found he has a malformed jaw too?
 
The3LittlePigs said:
keep syringe feeding as often as possible. when was his dental? it may be that his mouth is still sore. i syringe fed my boy after his dental for about two weeks until i was certain he was able to eat by himself. i'd also weigh him every day for now, to see if he is keeping his weight and if not, try to increase the feeds. there should be instructions on the packaging of the syringe food mix detailing how much he will need each day, as it depends on what brand you have and what it contains. is your vet piggy savvy? its good that hes made it through two operations in such a short space of time, particularly as eye removal is quite an intense op, but its common practice that front teeth are most often not the issue, and that its typically the molars, or back teeth, that are causing the problem, leading to the incisors growing in a peculiar way. where abouts are you based? if you could add your rough location to your profile, it will allow us to give you better advice as we will know what is available in your area :)
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Think the brand begins with an O? Ox? I'm not sure as it's my sisters doing the care as he's theirs and my mum piggy x
 
Before they removed his eye he had started to lose a small amount of weight and was 900 g:-( then after eye was taken out he dropped to 800, 700,. We weighed him today and he had gone up to 800 g. Still a long long way to go! We just want him better and not struggle to eat. He is such a strong piggy:-(
 
Here he is at 4:30 am having a critical care syringe given very very slowly over a period of time ( He's loving the round the clock attention)
 

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The3LittlePigs said:
keep syringe feeding as often as possible. when was his dental? it may be that his mouth is still sore. i syringe fed my boy after his dental for about two weeks until i was certain he was able to eat by himself. i'd also weigh him every day for now, to see if he is keeping his weight and if not, try to increase the feeds. there should be instructions on the packaging of the syringe food mix detailing how much he will need each day, as it depends on what brand you have and what it contains. is your vet piggy savvy? its good that hes made it through two operations in such a short space of time, particularly as eye removal is quite an intense op, but its common practice that front teeth are most often not the issue, and that its typically the molars, or back teeth, that are causing the problem, leading to the incisors growing in a peculiar way. where abouts are you based? if you could add your rough location to your profile, it will allow us to give you better advice as we will know what is available in your area :)
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How do I add location to profile please?
 
Also we noticed-- vets told us to increase the hay and fresh grass but he struggles to eat the grass. Sorry for long posts we are all just so worried about our little warrior who's been through two ops in one month.
 
Your mother's guinea pig has developed a retrobulbar abscess, as a result of dental issues. Unfortunately, this has required your veterinarian to remove your mother's guinea pig's eye.

You will need to locate a veterinarian who has the knowledge, and experience to perform dental surgery.
 
Guinea-pigGaga said:
Your mother's guinea pig has developed a retrobulbar abscess, as a result of dental issues. Unfortunately, this has required your veterinarian to remove your mother's guinea pig's eye.

You will need to locate a veterinarian who has the knowledge, and experience to perform dental surgery.
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The vet initially thought it may well have been a tumour behind the eye and the eye had been tried to be saved immediately over a few weeks about a month ago but in the end it dried out and it was heartbreaking and when it was removed the abscess still continued for a few days to fill with pus. His teeth initially looked absolutely fine at the front and then grew rapidly after the operation. Then they found his back ones were overgrown ( we did question why was this not noticed in the eye removal but apparently they don't put tubes down the mouth to put them under - they use little masks as their throats are so tiny) The dental issue was carried out on Wednesday morning via another operation after his appointment on the Tuesday evening.
He's on metacam and critical care syringe feeding.
 
I know it's a very long way, but is there any chance you could get your guinea pig seen by Simon Maddock, at the Cat and Rabbit Care Clinic in Northampton. Simon has dealt with these type of issues frequently. We are a sanctuary, specialising in guinea pigs with ongoing issues, primarily dental and we have had a few piggies with retrobulbar abscesses, in addition to dental disease and Simon has worked wonders with these piggies.

We also offer temporary accommodation for guinea pigs and a cagemate, to stay with us, whilst accessing treatment from Simon and then returning home once their condition is cured or under control. Please get in touch, if this is something you would like to know more about.
 
I would definitely recommend going to see Simon Maddock, we travel with our piggies from West Cornwall, worth every mile! If anyone can sort him, he can x Good Luck
 
furryfriends (TEAS) said:
I know it's a very long way, but is there any chance you could get your guinea pig seen by Simon Maddock, at the Cat and Rabbit Care Clinic in Northampton. Simon has dealt with these type of issues frequently. We are a sanctuary, specialising in guinea pigs with ongoing issues, primarily dental and we have had a few piggies with retrobulbar abscesses, in addition to dental disease and Simon has worked wonders with these piggies.

We also offer temporary accommodation for guinea pigs and a cagemate, to stay with us, whilst accessing treatment from Simon and then returning home once their condition is cured or under control. Please get in touch, if this is something you would like to know more about.
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I wish it was an option but unfortunately it would not be possible for them to travel that far:-(. He's at the vets now but has lost weight again and breathing a little bit too fast so the nurse wants him to see the vet. Origin vets will be contacted as they are the specialist for this area. So worried. He's been through so much.
 
I’m currently going through the same thing with eye removal and abscess and teeth with my chinchilla Pedro (very long thread on here)
Really would recommend seeing Simon at Cat and Rabbit. It’s a very long way, but my lad is still with me 7 months after his op, and although we have issues with his teeth and lots of probs he’s so much better than he was. He has teeth files every 6 weeks.
@furryfriends (TEAS) is brilliant with caring for dental piggies so you would be in amazing hands!
(Need you to branch out into chins soon @furryfriends (TEAS), this boy wants to visit you I think!)

Hope you can get him feeling better very soon xx
 
Guinea-pigGaga said:
Your mother's guinea pig has developed a retrobulbar abscess, as a result of dental issues. Unfortunately, this has required your veterinarian to remove your mother's guinea pig's eye.

You will need to locate a veterinarian who has the knowledge, and experience to perform dental surgery.
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alpacasqueak said:
I’m currently going through the same thing with eye removal and abscess and teeth with my chinchilla Pedro (very long thread on here)
Really would recommend seeing Simon at Cat and Rabbit. It’s a very long way, but my lad is still with me 7 months after his op, and although we have issues with his teeth and lots of probs he’s so much better than he was. He has teeth files every 6 weeks.
@furryfriends (TEAS) is brilliant with caring for dental piggies so you would be in amazing hands!
(Need you to branch out into chins soon @furryfriends (TEAS), this boy wants to visit you I think!)

Hope you can get him feeling better very soon xx
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The vet today has thoroughly checked his mouth and noticed it does not close fully. They noticed he has a malformed jaw but it's never been an issue for the past three years. The problem with hare is he is starving and runs to get the good and excited to see fresh food but he has awful trouble eating it. It's like he can't swallow correctly? He goes back on Monday and a possibility of another operation to examine if there is a problem further down in the throat or oesophagus as teeth and mouth etc are now how they should be apart from the mouth not closing and unable to chew food? But we are very reluctant to let him go through a third operation in 6 weeks. Not sure he would pull through a third time. We can return anytime up until Monday if really worried. They did not charge for today which was lovely of them! So critical care formula will be round the clock every hour til then :-(
 
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The vet today has thoroughly checked his mouth and noticed it does not close fully. They noticed he has a malformed jaw but it's never been an issue for the past three years. The problem with hare is he is starving and runs to get the good and excited to see fresh food but he has awful trouble eating it. It's like he can't swallow correctly? He goes back on Monday and a possibility of another operation to examine if there is a problem further down in the throat or oesophagus as teeth and mouth etc are now how they should be apart from the mouth not closing and unable to chew food? But we are very reluctant to let him go through a third operation in 6 weeks. Not sure he would pull through a third time. We can return anytime up until Monday if really worried. They did not charge for today which was lovely of them! So critical care formula will be round the clock every hour til then :-(
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If the mouth is not closing properly and he can't chew, it will definitely be the teeth that are the issue. Often vets miss the very back teeth, which then cranks the jaw open, because of the extra tooth length and because the other teeth then can't meet, they overgrow again very quickly. I have seen this problem time and time again and yet once the teeth have been filed correctly, the mouth will close and the piggy will eat. The jaw will look malformed and it will be being pushed out of position by the excess tooth length.
 
furryfriends (TEAS) said:
If the mouth is not closing properly and he can't chew, it will definitely be the teeth that are the issue. Often vets miss the very back teeth, which then cranks the jaw open, because of the extra tooth length and because the other teeth then can't meet, they overgrow again very quickly. I have seen this problem time and time again and yet once the teeth have been filed correctly, the mouth will close and the piggy will eat. The jaw will look malformed and it will be being pushed out of position by the excess tooth length.
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He's had the operation to file down all the back teeth on Wednesday. This was the photo they took before when he was under and I believe all the back teeth were filed right down. It was re checked again today.
 

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Buggster10 said:
He's had the operation to file down all the back teeth on Wednesday. This was the photo they took before when he was under and I believe all the back teeth were filed right down. It was re checked again today.
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This photo was what vet nurse took before all molars etc were filed down .
 
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