F10

[Midge&Panda]

Does anybody have any experience of the drug/ solution F10 for respiritory conditions in piggies or rabbits. It's to be used with a nebuliser. Thanks

 

[Wiebke]

I've used it lately, as it is antifungal, but I have made sure that I had the piggies out of the room while using it.

 

[Suzygpr]

The only F10 I am familiar with is as a disinfectant.

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Suzy x

 

[Pebble]

The F10 antiseptic solution product (not the other disfinectant products) is used to nebulise animals with respiratory conditions. I've heard of it being used in birds reptiles rabbits and my own vet discussed it with me when we were nebulising Muffin piggie (however in her case we didn;t use F10 we opted for a steroid)

Normally the antiseptic solution is diluted with saline solution, added to the nebuliser and the animal is then left in a box to breathe in the mist for 5-10 mins (or more depending upon the vet recommendation).

Can you provide a bit more information on whether it is for a piggie or a rabbit, what the condition is and why the vet has suggested using it please? Also what has the vet suggested you dilute it with and to what concentration? Hopefully i can then give you some more information.
HTH
x

 

[Midge&Panda]

The pig in question is Panda a rather robust girl of 1500g. She has suffered from recurrent respiritory problems. It started about 2.5yrs ago. the 1st one cleared with baytril, after about 8mths it returned baytril didnt work so she went on a course of terrymicin. The infection returned again and another course of terrymicin was given. She is now on her third infection and the terrymicin doesn't seem to be as effective. The vet suggested F10 with the use of a nebuliser. Dosage and administration hasn't been properly discussed as Panda is due another injection on monday. To look at Panda there isnt anything wrong, she's still active eating like the proverbial horse and is as active as she's ever been. Her chest is wheezy, her breathing is a little bit laboured and sometimes it sounds as if she is hooting/purring. (difficult to describe accuratley.) The vet in question has used the procedure with her own rabbits. She said somethig about it opening up the air passages and the lungs becoming more responsive to the antibiotics.

 

[Pebble]

Is the vet definitely sure this is still an ongoing bacterial infection? It's possible that any bugs have already been killed off by the antibiotics and what you are seeing now is the resulting damage/scarring to the lungs - causing an inflammatory response with fluid build-up...i.e. a sterile pneumonia. (It's also possible this could actually be a heart problem rather than an infection given what you have described)

Nebulising won;t harm but it might not have much effect on respiration if its a heart or sterile pneumonia problem caused by fluid in the lungs. It;s true the antibacterial nature of F10 can help reach the parts the antibiotics can;t reach - but given both baytril and now terrimycin haven;t shifted it I would be looking to take a culture and check to see if there really are any bugs present and if so checking for antibiotic resistance.

However it's difficult to get a useful microbiological culture when the piggie is on antibiotics so you would have to wait for two weeks without antibiotics and then take a throat and nasal swab to determine if there is a bacterial cause. This is what we did with Muffin and I think you should discuss this option with your vet when the next course is finished. In the end Muffin was diagnosed on Xray as a heart pig with fluid in the lungs and once she got the right meds her breathing problems slowly cleared up....(it's also why initally she was nebulised with a steroid to dampen down the inflammatory response in the lungs)
(Muffin was also a portly lady due to fluid accumulation in her paws and abdomen from her heart condition before she got the meds)

Has frusemide ever been prescribed? This is again something I would discuss with the vet as this is often used to help wheezy pigs with grumbling respiratory problems and if there are bugs present, helps clear the fluid so the antibiotics can reach the bugs. It's also one of the meds given to heart pigs and I think serious consideration should be given to giving Panda a short course to see if that helps at all...especially if there is any further deterioration in her breathing.

Hope some of this info is useful
x

PS the instructions reccommend F10 is diluted in water not saline at a dilution of 1/250 for nebulisation

 

[Abi_nurse]

I have used F10 to nebulise lots of different animals, dogs/cats/birds/reptiles and yes also rabbits and piggies. I have found it to be very useful and sometimes effective, but it wont completly deal with the infection.

I agree to the idea that maybe a swab being sent to the lab would be the best thing to do.

x.