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Fat Pig On A Diet & Arthritis Meds

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Queso was recently put on two arthritis meds and the Oxbow joint supplement. I also was told to decrease his pellets and veggies, now he only gets a tablespoon of pellets, a leaf of lettuce, a small portion of bell pepper, and a sprig of cilantro. We are told the arthritis meds might cause dehydration.

He also drinks water like a horse. He'll spend a long time at the water bottle, gulping it down. This has been going on for a year now. He's so thirsty that when you hold the water bottle up to him, he'll drink and drink and drink right out of your hand for a good two or three minutes.

This morning I noticed he had some tear shaped poops. Sometimes he gets these and I immediately give him cucumber and extra water. But, this time the tear shaped poops were more pronounced, which was a little scary to me. He's been drinking lots of water and still eating fine. Though, I've noticed he's "rationed" his pellets throughout the day instead of eating them all in one sitting like he used to.

My question is... are his poops doing this because we've restricted his diet too much or because he's not getting enough water (which seems impossible, he drinks more than my other pigs!)

His arthritis is doing a LOT better! He's actually moving and NOT bunny hopping. We had to section him off away from the spry pigs, but I think he's more of a loner pig anyway. He's our little grumps who just wants to be fat and lazy, perfectly content to sniff the other pigs through the bars and then show them his rump.
 
Queso was recently put on two arthritis meds and the Oxbow joint supplement. I also was told to decrease his pellets and veggies, now he only gets a tablespoon of pellets, a leaf of lettuce, a small portion of bell pepper, and a sprig of cilantro. We are told the arthritis meds might cause dehydration.

He also drinks water like a horse. He'll spend a long time at the water bottle, gulping it down. This has been going on for a year now. He's so thirsty that when you hold the water bottle up to him, he'll drink and drink and drink right out of your hand for a good two or three minutes.

This morning I noticed he had some tear shaped poops. Sometimes he gets these and I immediately give him cucumber and extra water. But, this time the tear shaped poops were more pronounced, which was a little scary to me. He's been drinking lots of water and still eating fine. Though, I've noticed he's "rationed" his pellets throughout the day instead of eating them all in one sitting like he used to.

My question is... are his poops doing this because we've restricted his diet too much or because he's not getting enough water (which seems impossible, he drinks more than my other pigs!)

His arthritis is doing a LOT better! He's actually moving and NOT bunny hopping. We had to section him off away from the spry pigs, but I think he's more of a loner pig anyway. He's our little grumps who just wants to be fat and lazy, perfectly content to sniff the other pigs through the bars and then show them his rump.

Tear shaped poos usually indicate a little tummy upset. Please stop all fresh veg until they have firmed up again. if necessary (if he loses over 50g in one or several days) step in with topping up with syringe feed. He is definitely not dehydrating if he is drinking a lot.
Complete Syringe Feeding Guide
The Importance Of Weighing - Ideal Weight / Overweight / Underweight

I would recommend to reduce the pellets to one tablespoon a day and follow the tips for a low calcium diet mentioned in the sample diet; our sample diet (minus the lettuce) avoids foods that are fattening, high in sugar and can trigger inflammation.
 
I think they say those kind of poops are because he is dehydrated? With a bit of luck someone migh be able to give a more positive answer. I'm glad you didn't listen to me then. Lol
 
I think you are on the right way.:nod: Of course a change in the diet and the burning process of the fat deposit is creating a mess inside and a different poo. But his diet now is correct (I would cut off pellets slowly, just one teaspoon daily is enough and pellets are the reason of his obesity). I would add a supplement of vit C (drops for human and children so that you can be sure about the amount; inflammation needs vit C and a body who is on diet needs antioxidant). Give him fresh grass, it is good for his gut and is the best food for piggies (who are herbivores and not vegetarians).
As he is taking medicines and is under stress (a body on diet is always under stress, although the effect of the diet will make the body feel fine), therefore I would make all these changes very carefully, monitoring everything.
You and he need time and patience, his weight must go down very slowly.
The fact he is drinking so much perhaps is linked with his being fat... for sure his insuline is high and his blood values are not ideal. Drinking very much during the diet is very good, just because burning fat produces a lot of toxic substances aand kidneys need water for filtering them. (sorry, I don't know the exact words for explaining this subject, I hope you can understand as well).
Don't worry that pets are not food addict like we humans... if they eat less they don't go nuts as we do when we are on diet!:hb:
He is not suffering and his joints will improve. I am sure he will soon do popcorning again!:yahoo:
 
I'm really sad, we just noticed he's starting to hop again and having a hard time walking. :( We've done everything the vet has said to do... going to take him in again. It's $400 to get an xray, I guess we have to do this.
 
I suggest you to read the abstract of an article which studied the effect of the weight loss on guinea pigs affected by osteo-arthritis. Of course reading the methods of the study is quite... "disturbing" for us piggies lovers, but the result is interesting and you should considerate it. I mean: your piggie has a damage due to his past wrong diet which made him fat; now you are on the right way, but I guess you need time for seeing the first results; filling the piggie with medicines will not help, I guess. His motility is affected not his whole health. If he will menage to lose weight his joints will improve without intoxicating with chemicals and X-rays.

EFFECTS OF BODY WEIGHT RESTRICTION ON THE DEVELOPMENT AND PROGRESSION OF SPONTANEOUS OSTEOARTHRITIS
IN GUINEA PIGS
ALISON M.BENDELE and JAMES F. HULMAN
Hartley albino guinea pigs develop spontaneous osteoarthritis (OA) of the knee joint. A study was done to determine the importance
of body weight in the pathogenesis of this disease.
Two groups of 20 male guinea pigs each were maintained on the same diets.
The control group was allowed ad libitum feed consumption and the other group was restricted to 30-35g of feed per day. Ten
animals from each group were killed at 9 months of age to evaluate histologic features of the knee joint. The severity of the OA lesions
was reduced by 40% in conjiunction with a 28% decrease in body weight, in the diet-restricted group.
The remaining animals were killed at 18 months old of age. Those in the diet-restricted group had a 56% reduction in severity of lesions,
with a 29% decrease in body weight.

These results indicate that body mass in guinea pigs, as in humans, is an important predisposing factor for the development of OA.
(...)
from:
Arthritis & RheumatismVolume 34, Issue 9, Version of Record online: 9 DEC 2005
 
Thank you, Rome! It's really appreciated. He seems to be doing better today and vet can't see him until Wednesday. He's about to be off his meds in one more day, but I honestly think it's the oxbow joint supplement that's been helping him. I'm very surprised he hasn't just been eating all his pellets as soon as I give them to him like he used to. But, he still has a very healthy appetite with food, but it seems he's rationing his pellets now that he knows he doesn't get as much.
 
Thank you, Rome! It's really appreciated. He seems to be doing better today and vet can't see him until Wednesday. He's about to be off his meds in one more day, but I honestly think it's the oxbow joint supplement that's been helping him. I'm very surprised he hasn't just been eating all his pellets as soon as I give them to him like he used to. But, he still has a very healthy appetite with food, but it seems he's rationing his pellets now that he knows he doesn't get as much.
that substance contained on oxbow supplement (which you can find also in better and specific supplement) is very good also in us humans and "does miracles", but of course, being a natural substance, you need time before appreciating the first results. The important thing is that your piggie is eating and in a good health; from now on he will lose also some weight and I am sure something will improve.
I would not fill him with medicines for having fast results (steroids). I would prefer natural treatments... and please, be patient and enjoy him who is not in pain although he cannot jump normally.:D
Glucosamine works, believe me. But it needs time...
 
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