Full Female Herd

Abbie Brooks

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I am just wondering if a female herd would work, with no males. I would love two pre bonded pairs of females to merge to start with (My current pair and a rescue pair perhaps) Any experience or suggestions and tips would be greatly appreciated.
 
There's no reason why it couldn't work but if does very much depend on personalities. Usually a neutered boar can add a calming factor though when I last tried to introduce a sow it was my boar that fought with her
 
I am just wondering if a female herd would work, with no males. I would love two pre bonded pairs of females to merge to start with (My current pair and a rescue pair perhaps) Any experience or suggestions and tips would be greatly appreciated.

Hi! Yes, herds can work with or without a neutered boar.

However, there are a few things you need to take into consideration:
- you build up a group around a dominant sow. Any future sows should ideally not be able to threaten her status and upset the hierarchy at the top; this can prevent failed bonding and long term unrest/need to split the group.
- any new sows should be sub-adult, known to be submissive and/or ideally from a group background.
The most difficult to integrate in my experience are well bonded pairs or singles without group background that are unwilling to relinquish their privileged status as a First Lady of their existing mini-group (even if it is just a group of one).
- ideally you rescue date for character compatibility, especially in the early stages when this is crucial for the success of a group.
- keep in mind that group behaviour and interaction is a dynamic process that changes over time as your guinea pigs mature and age. It can take a bad turn at some point as many of us have experienced, including me. I have built up and run a large group of up to 14 piggies over a period of over 4 years, but the dynamics changed when a younger dominant sow dethroned the aging long term top lady and in the end I had to split the group into two medium-sized groups of 4-6 piggies and a pair of oddballs (that thankfully settled well together). This experience has been shared by other members with their own groups.

If you have strong personalities, you have got your very own live soap in your home - with the inevitable confrontations, hormonal issues, exits etc. You have your gossipers, misschief makers, sneaky bullies, your ambitious career types, the antisocial types, those that rub everybody the wrong way and those that cannot stand up for themselves...

PS: It doesn't matter whether you have a 'husboar' or not except that those who have had a herd with one have found that he is usually helpful in soaking up some of the seasonal grumpiness and drama by concentrating it on him and that by needing to get on with all sows in order to mate with them, he acts as an additional glue of the group. But it is down to availability and personal preference.
PS2: the older sows get, the crankier they can be; it may mean that newbies may not be accepted anymore at some point. Sow hormones never stop running at a high level as sows do not have a menopause even when they get past the ideal child-bearing age.
 
I've had full female herds before, as long as bondings are done properly then there is no reason why you can't have a herd without a male.
 
Hi! Yes, herds can work with or without a neutered boar.

However, there are a few things you need to take into consideration:
- you build up a group around a dominant sow. Any future sows should ideally not be able to threaten her status and upset the hierarchy at the top; this can prevent failed bonding and long term unrest/need to split the group.
- any new sows should be sub-adult, known to be submissive and/or ideally from a group background.
The most difficult to integrate in my experience are well bonded pairs or singles without group background that are unwilling to relinquish their privileged status as a First Lady of their existing mini-group (even if it is just a group of one).
- ideally you rescue date for character compatibility, especially in the early stages when this is crucial for the success of a group.
- keep in mind that group behaviour and interaction is a dynamic process that changes over time as your guinea pigs mature and age. It can take a bad turn at some point as many of us have experienced, including me. I have built up and run a large group of up to 14 piggies over a period of over 4 years, but the dynamics changed when a younger dominant sow dethroned the aging long term top lady and in the end I had to split the group into two medium-sized groups of 4-6 piggies and a pair of oddballs (that thankfully settled well together). This experience has been shared by other members with their own groups.

If you have strong personalities, you have got your very own live soap in your home - with the inevitable confrontations, hormonal issues, exits etc. You have your gossipers, misschief makers, sneaky bullies, your ambitious career types, the antisocial types, those that rub everybody the wrong way and those that cannot stand up for themselves...

PS: It doesn't matter whether you have a 'husboar' or not except that those who have had a herd with one have found that he is usually helpful in soaking up some of the seasonal grumpiness and drama by concentrating it on him and that by needing to get on with all sows in order to mate with them, he acts as an additional glue of the group. But it is down to availability and personal preference.
PS2: the older sows get, the crankier they can be; it may mean that newbies may not be accepted anymore at some point. Sow hormones never stop running at a high level as sows do not have a menopause even when they get past the ideal child-bearing age.
Wow! Thanks for all the information. I have heard of the rescue dating and think that is the best way to do it and I would definitely see if it is possible at any rescues near me. I’ve heard that if it gets so big they need even more space for sub groups so ideally I’d try and keep it a fairly small group. I’m not really sure which of my two is more dominant they both seem to get on fine and they never argue.
 
There's no reason why it couldn't work but if does very much depend on personalities. Usually a neutered boar can add a calming factor though when I last tried to introduce a sow it was my boar that fought with her
Yes, that’s what I worry about. I like the peace my girls have so I’m torn because I really like guinea pigs and would love to rescue some more. It’s seems so unpredictable!
 
I have a female herd and I would say it really is all down to individual personalities. There is a top sow and another one would would like to be. I think the only reason it is working for me is the have a lot of space to keep clear from each other. Until I put my pairs into a group I didn’t know which one was dominant but within minutes in a group environment, the dominant sow of all of them showed herself.
 
Wow! Thanks for all the information. I have heard of the rescue dating and think that is the best way to do it and I would definitely see if it is possible at any rescues near me. I’ve heard that if it gets so big they need even more space for sub groups so ideally I’d try and keep it a fairly small group. I’m not really sure which of my two is more dominant they both seem to get on fine and they never argue.

Here is our recommended rescues locator of the good standard rescues we can guarantee for that you are in safe and experienced hands. Most of them offer rescue dating. You may need to wait; there are generally less sows in rescue than boars, and there is more of a demand to adopt sows than boars. But it is well worth not to rush into it, to take your time and to make sure that any core group is stable and gets on well.
If I have learned one thing in well over half a century of bondings, many of them group bondings, you just can't predict the dynamics - it is all down to the interplay of the individual personalities. Always contact all rescues that you can get to in order to have the greatest chance of finding what you are looking for. Be aware that there are always more piggies in the pipeline than listed. And listen to rescue recommendations re. personalities - don't go for looks; opt for the piggies that suit your intension best, but be aware that what looks great on paper may not come off in reality.
Piggies are like people: you can't just stick them together in an office and expect them to become best of friends, preferably instantly!

Our recommended rescues not only offer bonding, they also have a mandatory quarantine and medical care plus a 10 weeks pregnancy watch for any incoming sows, they also only put piggies up for adoption when they are healthy. bonds are carefully matched unless piggies are already stably bonded when they come into rescue.
Please be aware that anybody in this country can call themselves a rescue (or a breeder) without licensing and any checks, and the results can be accordingly. :(
Recommended Guinea Pig Rescues

Apart from the fact that my own husboars are generally cuddlier and friendlier than my many sows, especially when they are past the big hormones, adopting a neutered boar for any sow group or pair that is open to boys is a way of helping to alleviate the strain caused by pet shops selling far too many unmatched baby boars in too small cages - with predictable results once teenage hits... :(

PS: I have currently got 6 husboars, but have had a string of them before (adopted from all ages between 5 months to 5 years old), both submissive ones and dominant ones depending on what job/companions I wanted them for.
Fights - if there are any at all - only happen during bonding when two dominant personalities clash and acceptance doesn't come about; and for exactly that you have the rescue dating so you avoid ending up with piggies that do not get on. In all my many bondings (including a fair number of ones that haven't come off as I would have liked), I've never had a fight with bites with a boar involved, only the odd tussle where both parties were doing their best NOT to cross the line in a dominance dispute.

Otherwise I have in around 30 years of living with piggies (and most of them with mixed pairs or groups) NEVER had a fight in which a boar was involved once they had bonded with sows. Fighting sows, yes; ovarian cysts and leadership takeoever attempts happen as they grow older. But never neutered boars - they are generally the peacemakers!
Cross gender bondings are by far the most stable of all piggy bonds with the smallest rate of fall-outs (mostly caused by medical separations or ovarian cysts and pretty much always initiated by sows), and the same goes for groups with a 'husboar'.
Sow groups with a neutered boar mimic how guinea pigs live together when they can choose, so you are very much working with piggy instincts and not against them. It is the sows that associate with a boar they want to procreate with and live with. If you give your girls the option to choose a boar of their liking at a rescue, then you won't get fights. Full stop.
Guinea Pig Facts - A Short Overview

Fighting boars come about because of lack of space and buying piggies for looks and not for mutual liking and character compatibility, which are the key to any successful piggy bond.
When boars measure up the loser will normally move out of the way and go elsewhere. In a small cage this is not possible, so confrontations cannot be avoided. The problem is not the piggies, it is their owners and their providers who fail them big way and then blame the boars for their own ignorance! :(
 
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One thing you could consider is taking in one single sow at a time which could make finding the right personality and bonding a little easier. You could do one sow and wait a month or so then do the same again once they have settled down together
 
One thing you could consider is taking in one single sow at a time which could make finding the right personality and bonding a little easier. You could do one sow and wait a month or so then do the same again once they have settled down together
The only thing I worry about is if I add one to the current pair is that there may be an outsider.
 
I have a female herd and I would say it really is all down to individual personalities. There is a top sow and another one would would like to be. I think the only reason it is working for me is the have a lot of space to keep clear from each other. Until I put my pairs into a group I didn’t know which one was dominant but within minutes in a group environment, the dominant sow of all of them showed herself.
Ooh that’s really great to know. I have a large shed which they would have, I would love a harmonious dynamic
 
Here is our recommended rescues locator of the good standard rescues we can guarantee for that you are in safe and experienced hands. Most of them offer rescue dating. You may need to wait; there are generally less sows in rescue than boars, and there is more of a demand to adopt sows than boars. But it is well worth not to rush into it, to take your time and to make sure that any core group is stable and gets on well.
If I have learned one thing in well over half a century of bondings, many of them group bondings, you just can't predict the dynamics - it is all down to the interplay of the individual personalities. Always contact all rescues that you can get to in order to have the greatest chance of finding what you are looking for. Be aware that there are always more piggies in the pipeline than listed. And listen to rescue recommendations re. personalities - don't go for looks; opt for the piggies that suit your intension best, but be aware that what looks great on paper may not come off in reality.
Piggies are like people: you can't just stick them together in an office and expect them to become best of friends, preferably instantly!

Our recommended rescues not only offer bonding, they also have a mandatory quarantine and medical care plus a 10 weeks pregnancy watch for any incoming sows, they also only put piggies up for adoption when they are healthy. bonds are carefully matched unless piggies are already stably bonded when they come into rescue.
Please be aware that anybody in this country can call themselves a rescue (or a breeder) without licensing and any checks, and the results can be accordingly. :(
Recommended Guinea Pig Rescues

Apart from the fact that my own husboars are generally cuddlier and friendlier than my many sows, especially when they are past the big hormones, adopting a neutered boar for any sow group or pair that is open to boys is a way of helping to alleviate the strain caused by pet shops selling far too many unmatched baby boars in too small cages - with predictable results once teenage hits... :(

PS: I have currently got 6 husboars, but have had a string of them before (adopted from all ages between 5 months to 5 years old), both submissive ones and dominant ones depending on what job/companions I wanted them for.
Fights - if there are any at all - only happen during bonding when two dominant personalities clash and acceptance doesn't come about; and for exactly that you have the rescue dating so you avoid ending up with piggies that do not get on. In all my many bondings (including a fair number of ones that haven't come off as I would have liked), I've never had a fight with bites with a boar involved, only the odd tussle where both parties were doing their best NOT to cross the line in a dominance dispute.

Otherwise I have in around 30 years of living with piggies (and most of them with mixed pairs or groups) NEVER had a fight in which a boar was involved once they had bonded with sows. Fighting sows, yes; ovarian cysts and leadership takeoever attempts happen as they grow older. But never neutered boars - they are generally the peacemakers!
Cross gender bondings are by far the most stable of all piggy bonds with the smallest rate of fall-outs (mostly caused by medical separations or ovarian cysts and pretty much always initiated by sows), and the same goes for groups with a 'husboar'.
Sow groups with a neutered boar mimic how guinea pigs live together when they can choose, so you are very much working with piggy instincts and not against them. It is the sows that associate with a boar they want to procreate with and live with. If you give your girls the option to choose a boar of their liking at a rescue, then you won't get fights. Full stop.
Guinea Pig Facts - A Short Overview

Fighting boars come about because of lack of space and buying piggies for looks and not for mutual liking and character compatibility, which are the key to any successful piggy bond.
When boars measure up the loser will normally move out of the way and go elsewhere. In a small cage this is not possible, so confrontations cannot be avoided. The problem is not the piggies, it is their owners and their providers who fail them big way and then blame the boars for their own ignorance! :(
I mean I have a shed for them, my piggies are inside that in a large hutch since it’s secure and they have enough room, they free roam the shed in the day and I have a run for when weather suits. Thanks again for all this information I will use the rescue recommender and read the guinea pig facts link you added too. Thanks again!
 
I mean I have a shed for them, my piggies are inside that in a large hutch since it’s secure and they have enough room, they free roam the shed in the day and I have a run for when weather suits. Thanks again for all this information I will use the rescue recommender and read the guinea pig facts link you added too. Thanks again!

Please make sure that the shed is not overheating in the current heat spike, especially tomorrow! We have seen so many piggies on here that were affected by heat stroke and have heard of so many deaths in recent weeks. :(
Hot weather management and heat strokes
 
If it helps I started to bond 2 pairs of sows at the weekend.
The thread is called "Bonding 2 pairs"
It's a record of my stress levels, the excitement and panic as well as all the reassurance from experienced members.

Now it's mostly calm and settled but I think there's still a bit of sorting out dominance going on between the 2 middle piggies.

Good luck.
 
The only thing I worry about is if I add one to the current pair is that there may be an outsider.

Yes that's a likely possibility. In my experience of trios it's never the same one off on their own but there is one more likely to be the loner. My thought was that it would be temporary for a month or so until the next one's introduced
 
If it helps I started to bond 2 pairs of sows at the weekend.
The thread is called "Bonding 2 pairs"
It's a record of my stress levels, the excitement and panic as well as all the reassurance from experienced members.

Now it's mostly calm and settled but I think there's still a bit of sorting out dominance going on between the 2 middle piggies.

Good luck.
That’s cool, congrats too. I will definitely check it out and keep an eye on it. Thanks!
 
Please make sure that the shed is not overheating in the current heat spike, especially tomorrow! We have seen so many piggies on here that were affected by heat stroke and have heard of so many deaths in recent weeks. :(
Hot weather management and heat strokes
Yes I am very conscious of the heat, the shed is in the shade all’s ay since it is under a tree and I check them regularly. I will keep an eye on them
 
Yes that's a likely possibility. In my experience of trios it's never the same one off on their own but there is one more likely to be the loner. My thought was that it would be temporary for a month or so until the next one's introduced
That’s probably how it would work out if I was to do it too, I would only have a trio for a while and then add another
 
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