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Fungal and washing bedding

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Hi everyone, hope you and all your piggies are well?

I am after a bit of advice, I have a 14 month old boy with stubborn fungal, he came to us at 6 weeks old with it and after periods of a few weeks to a few months in the last case clear (or appears to be clear). He came through Tees Valley Guinea Pig Rescue and Stuart provided the imaverol at numerous times and combined with the F10 disinfectant seemed to clear it up (threw out all wooden chew toys and washed everything else). However it keeps coming back and this time he has it on both sides, back feet and in front of right ear.

The vets have taken samples to send away to be cultured (I nearly cried at the cost) to make sure it is ringworm. They have suggested imaverol baths for him and Bramble, his cage mate every 3 days.

I have read through your Fungal advice guide at various times throughout the year, massive help, thanks. However with regards to the bedding, I have Kavee liners and pee pads from various places but have been told to wash them at 60c but Kavee said not to as they will shrink but recommended putting pet safe disinfectant in with the wash? Can anyone help with this? I have had guinea pigs for nearly 30 years and thankfully never encountered fungal until last year! Know you are all knowledgeable and appreciate your wisdom :love: Thanks in advance x
 
Hi everyone, hope you and all your piggies are well?

I am after a bit of advice, I have a 14 month old boy with stubborn fungal, he came to us at 6 weeks old with it and after periods of a few weeks to a few months in the last case clear (or appears to be clear). He came through Tees Valley Guinea Pig Rescue and Stuart provided the imaverol at numerous times and combined with the F10 disinfectant seemed to clear it up (threw out all wooden chew toys and washed everything else). However it keeps coming back and this time he has it on both sides, back feet and in front of right ear.

The vets have taken samples to send away to be cultured (I nearly cried at the cost) to make sure it is ringworm. They have suggested imaverol baths for him and Bramble, his cage mate every 3 days.

I have read through your Fungal advice guide at various times throughout the year, massive help, thanks. However with regards to the bedding, I have Kavee liners and pee pads from various places but have been told to wash them at 60c but Kavee said not to as they will shrink but recommended putting pet safe disinfectant in with the wash? Can anyone help with this? I have had guinea pigs for nearly 30 years and thankfully never encountered fungal until last year! Know you are all knowledgeable and appreciate your wisdom :love: Thanks in advance x

Hi

I am ever so sorry. It depends on what comes back from the lab.

The places the fungal is currently located are pointing toward secondary infections (i.e. picked up from spores on the bedding) rather than an a primary infection around the face/ears.

Any fabric (including the clothes you are wearing when treating them) should be washed at 60 C or more in order to kill any fungal spores; unfortunately, this does shrink fleece liners.
You are basically facing the choice that you won't be able to use your Kavee liner for the next 3 years until all potential spores have died off (please pack it safely away in a sealed bag to prevent any ringwork spores from spreading further) or to shrink the liner in order to end your long running saga. Depending on how large the cage is, you might switch to bathroom bobble mats (I think Asda are the currently best source but please somebody correct me as mine are from Wilko's) or cheap acrylic/microfibre fleece blankets for babies in Primark. They will shrink a bit but they can deal with hot washes.

Investing in a large apron and only wearing old stuff might also be useful for yourself.
 
Hi

I am ever so sorry. It depends on what comes back from the lab.

The places the fungal is currently located are pointing toward secondary infections (i.e. picked up from spores on the bedding) rather than an a primary infection around the face/ears.

Any fabric (including the clothes you are wearing when treating them) should be washed at 60 C or more in order to kill any fungal spores; unfortunately, this does shrink fleece liners.
You are basically facing the choice that you won't be able to use your Kavee liner for the next 3 years until all potential spores have died off (please pack it safely away in a sealed bag to prevent any ringwork spores from spreading further) or to shrink the liner in order to end your long running saga. Depending on how large the cage is, you might switch to bathroom bobble mats (I think Asda are the currently best source but please somebody correct me as mine are from Wilko's) or cheap acrylic/microfibre fleece blankets for babies in Primark. They will shrink a bit but they can deal with hot washes.

Investing in a large apron and only wearing old stuff might also be useful for yourself.
Thanks so much @Wiebke for your reply, hope you’re well?

Think you’re probably right, even if I shrink them then they’ll still be usable in some form? I agree that the Asda bath mats do seem better, easier to get hay off them too! Going to go out now & get some more. I am thinking I possibly never got rid of it fully on his right back foot as that was stubborn previously? So that won’t help. We never did a bath/dip with the imaverol so that will help making sure feet are nicely coated in the solution?

I know I’m not going to be flavour of the month with the baths 😫 x
 
Thanks so much @Wiebke for your reply, hope you’re well?

Think you’re probably right, even if I shrink them then they’ll still be usable in some form? I agree that the Asda bath mats do seem better, easier to get hay off them too! Going to go out now & get some more. I am thinking I possibly never got rid of it fully on his right back foot as that was stubborn previously? So that won’t help. We never did a bath/dip with the imaverol so that will help making sure feet are nicely coated in the solution?

I know I’m not going to be flavour of the month with the baths 😫 x

Here is our step-by step bathing guide, which also works for dips where you have the dip to get to work for a stated time (see bottle information). More Practical How-To Care Guides (Sub-forum Links): Haircutting, bathing & grease glands

Yes, you need to make sure that the soles are also treated - basically, the whole body surface although you'd better just use the suds and a cotton but around the eyed and ears as they are very sensitive and can temporarily swell up badly. Please make sure that you thoroughly clean and disinfect the bathing surface, whether that is a shower bottom or a bathtub or a basin on the wipeable kitchen floor.

Deep clean the cage at the same time with all the furniture, so the bathed boys come into a spore-free environment in order to prevent further secondary infections. Ideally you change the cage with every dip (about every 3-4 times every 3-4 days) which is hopefully enough to get you on top of the ringworm outbreak. The outbreak is over once all spots have stopped producing the white exudate layer on top of the bald spots.

I learned a lot in my first outbreak with 16 piggies before I got access to oral itrafungal. Just imagine bathing them all every 3 days, deep cleaning the cages and washing all the bedding plus the bathing towels in the meantime... It was rough but I learned from my mistakes.

Wishing you all the best.

PS: Personally, I would just wash the tailored fleeces and put them away. That way, you can use them again eventually although it will be years away.
 
Here is our step-by step bathing guide, which also works for dips where you have the dip to get to work for a stated time (see bottle information). More Practical How-To Care Guides (Sub-forum Links): Haircutting, bathing & grease glands

Yes, you need to make sure that the soles are also treated - basically, the whole body surface although you'd better just use the suds and a cotton but around the eyed and ears as they are very sensitive and can temporarily swell up badly. Please make sure that you thoroughly clean and disinfect the bathing surface, whether that is a shower bottom or a bathtub or a basin on the wipeable kitchen floor.

Deep clean the cage at the same time with all the furniture, so the bathed boys come into a spore-free environment in order to prevent further secondary infections. Ideally you change the cage with every dip (about every 3-4 times every 3-4 days) which is hopefully enough to get you on top of the ringworm outbreak. The outbreak is over once all spots have stopped producing the white exudate layer on top of the bald spots.

I learned a lot in my first outbreak with 16 piggies before I got access to oral itrafungal. Just imagine bathing them all every 3 days, deep cleaning the cages and washing all the bedding plus the bathing towels in the meantime... It was rough but I learned from my mistakes.

Wishing you all the best.

PS: Personally, I would just wash the tailored fleeces and put them away. That way, you can use them again eventually although it will be years away.
Honestly, I can’t thank you enough for your help!

I am worried how the dominance will be when I put them back into a completely clean cage as I was putting some of their hay back in afterwards for the scent. Bramble likes to hump, a lot! I guess it’s just something we’ll (& Fozzy will have to put up with for this period?).

I don’t know how you managed with having to deal with all of that! You must be super human & the piggies are lucky to have you! As are the forum members!

The liners are 18 months old so I will just take a chance with washing them?

Do you recommend the oral medication? The vet said it comes with risks? x
 
Honestly, I can’t thank you enough for your help!

I am worried how the dominance will be when I put them back into a completely clean cage as I was putting some of their hay back in afterwards for the scent. Bramble likes to hump, a lot! I guess it’s just something we’ll (& Fozzy will have to put up with for this period?).

I don’t know how you managed with having to deal with all of that! You must be super human & the piggies are lucky to have you! As are the forum members!

The liners are 18 months old so I will just take a chance with washing them?

Do you recommend the oral medication? The vet said it comes with risks? x

Want to put your washed liners (at normal temperature) away for the next at least 2 1/2 years. Ringworm spores can stay live for over two years, unfortunately so they won't be safe to use for that long.
However, they can be used again down the line so it would be a waste of money to either throw them away or to render them unusable by shrinking them in a high temperature wash.

I have never had any problems with oral sytemic fungal like itrofungol and so have most forum members but I am aware that it may not work for all piggies. It's quite literally saved my Barri's life after he was surrendered to the second vet due to very advanced ringworm caused by wrongly applied home DIY treatment (the first vet seen wanted to pts/euthanise straight away). He had one relapse after his adoption but I got on top of that (in a room of 31 piggies at the time - my all time high) straight away with the itrafungol for him and some for his wife who spent the quarantine with him. It wasn't fun to deep clean the whole room from top to bottom in a hurry but following my own advice it really worked and no new ringworm in the intervening 8 years.

However, itrafungol is very expensive... It was 8 years ago and prices have truly skyrocketed since. Keep it in reserve if your really thorough hygiene measures don't work. Which includes, sadly, no transferred scent or hay because it could carry spores back into the deep-cleaned cage. Your fight is less with the acute patches than getting on top of all those spores that could cause a yet another new outbreak. :(

We are here for any questions you have along the way to help you ensure that this time everything goes right but we would be grateful if you please bookmarked this thread so we can keep everything together and do not repeat things we have already discussed and sorted.
 
Want to put your washed liners (at normal temperature) away for the next at least 2 1/2 years. Ringworm spores can stay live for over two years, unfortunately so they won't be safe to use for that long.
However, they can be used again down the line so it would be a waste of money to either throw them away or to render them unusable by shrinking them in a high temperature wash.

I have never had any problems with oral sytemic fungal like itrofungol and so have most forum members but I am aware that it may not work for all piggies. It's quite literally saved my Barri's life after he was surrendered to the second vet due to very advanced ringworm caused by wrongly applied home DIY treatment (the first vet seen wanted to pts/euthanise straight away). He had one relapse after his adoption but I got on top of that (in a room of 31 piggies at the time - my all time high) straight away with the itrafungol for him and some for his wife who spent the quarantine with him. It wasn't fun to deep clean the whole room from top to bottom in a hurry but following my own advice it really worked and no new ringworm in the intervening 8 years.

However, itrafungol is very expensive... It was it 8 years ago and prices have skyrocketed since. Keep it in reserve if your consequent hygiene measures don't work. Which includes, sadly, no transferred scent or hay, which could carry spores back into the deep cleaned cage. Your fight is less with the acute patches than getting on top of all those spores that could cause a new outbreak. :(

We are here for any questions you have along the way to help you ensure that this time everything goes right but we would be grateful if you please bookmarked this thread so we can keep everything together and do not repeat things we have already discussed and

Want to put your washed liners (at normal temperature) away for the next at least 2 1/2 years. Ringworm spores can stay live for over two years, unfortunately so they won't be safe to use for that long.
However, they can be used again down the line so it would be a waste of money to either throw them away or to render them unusable by shrinking them in a high temperature wash.

I have never had any problems with oral sytemic fungal like itrofungol and so have most forum members but I am aware that it may not work for all piggies. It's quite literally saved my Barri's life after he was surrendered to the second vet due to very advanced ringworm caused by wrongly applied home DIY treatment (the first vet seen wanted to pts/euthanise straight away). He had one relapse after his adoption but I got on top of that (in a room of 31 piggies at the time - my all time high) straight away with the itrafungol for him and some for his wife who spent the quarantine with him. It wasn't fun to deep clean the whole room from top to bottom in a hurry but following my own advice it really worked and no new ringworm in the intervening 8 years.

However, itrafungol is very expensive... It was it 8 years ago and prices have skyrocketed since. Keep it in reserve if your consequent hygiene measures don't work. Which includes, sadly, no transferred scent or hay, which could carry spores back into the deep cleaned cage. Your fight is less with the acute patches than getting on top of all those spores that could cause a new outbreak. :(

We are here for any questions you have along the way to help you ensure that this time everything goes right but we would be grateful if you please bookmarked this thread so we can keep everything together and do not repeat things we have already discussed and sorted.
Aww the poor baby, he’s so lucky to have found you! Do you want to come & live with me? Ha ha!

Vet prescribed medication is crazy, to get the culture done was £143 without the consultation & medication! Still haven’t paid off the fees from poor Donnie last year & Brambles issues! No wonder they’re looking into the amount that veterinary practices charge for medication.

Thanks very much, you may regret that but I will make sure I keep on this thread if I do have any questions? Take care x
 
Me again! The vets haven't received the delivery with the Imaverol and they think it won't be in until Tuesday! It has spread up his back already, is there anything that you would recommend in the meantime? :(
 
Me again! The vets haven't received the delivery with the Imaverol and they think it won't be in until Tuesday! It has spread up his back already, is there anything that you would recommend in the meantime? :(

Get some dandruff shampoo (nizoral is the super-brand but they are all anti-fungal) from a supermarket or a pharmacy.

It is rather harsh on the skin but OK for a one-off or two baths for your piggies and you can at least use up the rest yourself. For use, follow the advice on the bottle and only use any suds around the eyes and ears.

Having your ongoing support thread is useful - we are here for any questions or practical tips you have or need along the way. It helps to take some of the stress out of it for you.
 
Get some dandruff shampoo (nizoral is the super-brand but they are all anti-fungal) from a supermarket or a pharmacy.

It is rather harsh on the skin but OK for a one-off or two baths for your piggies and you can at least use up the rest yourself. For use, follow the advice on the bottle and only use any suds around the eyes and ears.

Having your ongoing support thread is useful - we are here for any questions or practical tips you have or need along the way. It helps to take some of the stress out of it for you.
Thanks so much Wiebke, I am a bit annoyed with the Vets, I had a similar issue with them with getting cisapride for Bramble last year. They are a highly recommended guinea pig savvy vets in our region - Gilmoor Vets. If I can do one wash today then that should be ok, we have Head & Shoulders in, would that be any good? I have got a little shout out on the rescues old page that is now an advice site to see if anyone can get me a little bit of imaverol locally?

Washed the pee pads at 60 yesterday and they were ok thankfully! Stocked up on the bath mats too thanks for the tip!

Thanks, can you sense the stress radiating from me? Ha ha! x
 
I just wanted to say well done with how you’re coping ! It’s an awful situation for you - Wiebke has so much experience and is so kind and always willing to help
Good luck ❤️
 
I just wanted to say well done with how you’re coping ! It’s an awful situation for you - Wiebke has so much experience and is so kind and always willing to help
Good luck ❤️
Thanks very much Roselina for your kind words, I don't feel like I am and feel bad that I haven't been able to sort it fully in all this time, @Wiebke has been such a fantastic help that's for sure! She deserves a medal! Thanks again @Roselina x
 
Just adding in my good wishes, too. Fungal infections are my worst nightmare. I’ve had a few rescued piggies who have come in with fungal on them and it’s always a nightmare with all the bathing/dipping and cage cleaning and it feels like it goes on forever at the time. The oral medication certainly speeds up the process, but even so you still have to be meticulous with the cleaning to prevent the odd spore remaining and starting the infection process all over again. I definitely think it’s a good idea to invest in some cheapish bath mats that you can wash at 60° and maybe even discard after you are past this infection. Remember that everything in the cage needs to be completely cleaned with F10. I always found removing houses and replacing them with cardboard boxes with two holes cut into them for entrances was a good idea during fungal outbreaks as you can bin them every time you do a cage clean and put fresh boxes in each time. Good luck.
 
Just adding in my good wishes, too. Fungal infections are my worst nightmare. I’ve had a few rescued piggies who have come in with fungal on them and it’s always a nightmare with all the bathing/dipping and cage cleaning and it feels like it goes on forever at the time. The oral medication certainly speeds up the process, but even so you still have to be meticulous with the cleaning to prevent the odd spore remaining and starting the infection process all over again. I definitely think it’s a good idea to invest in some cheapish bath mats that you can wash at 60° and maybe even discard after you are past this infection. Remember that everything in the cage needs to be completely cleaned with F10. I always found removing houses and replacing them with cardboard boxes with two holes cut into them for entrances was a good idea during fungal outbreaks as you can bin them every time you do a cage clean and put fresh boxes in each time. Good luck.
Thanks very much VickiA, I'm not feeling very positive at my abilities to get rid of it for good, haven't managed very well over the past year trying to get rid of it. The vets have just rang me and said that they have the oral but are reluctant to prescribe it as it is so harsh on the liver but I understand that Wiebke and many others haven't had any issue? Good tip with the boxes. I am going to be very busy the next couple of days so do you think I will just be able to mix imaverol (someone from the old rescue can give me some) some and wipe it on the surface just to get an initial treatment? @Wiebke @VickiA x
 
I don't feel like I am and feel bad that I haven't been able to sort it fully in all this time,
When I had guineas and they were unwell or had mites etc, I never felt I was managing well, always felt 'less than' other pet owners. So I'm sending you some support! All you can do is your best and that's probably better than you think.

Get better soon to your poor itchy boy and all the best to you to getting rid of that ringworm once and for all!
 
Hi

Please don't feel bad as an owner; you clearly aren't and you have done the best you could with the knowledge and information you had. Ringworm can really get into your head. You are in good company. Please don't apologise.

I've had ringworm coming back and I've found out the hard way just how long spores can stay live to cause reinfections as well as in how many ways they can be passed on (including via the clothes you wear when handling piggies) to cause reinfections.
Only that I have put all those tough lessons together with others learned from cases here on the forum, including experiences from which treatments are more effective and which are not. I have tried to really think things through systematically in terms of a comprehensive and effective hygiene regime from start to finish and then I have tried to compile it all in our step by step ringworm guide that takes you through the whole battle.
When I wrote the guide there was just no advice on the crucial hygiene aspect anywhere and interest was generally more in how cheaply people could get away with home DIY treatment, which generally resulted in long running battles and messes that ultimately cost them more than if they had invested in good quality treatment and put in the hard work.

What most vets and owners are sadly not aware of is that ringworm is not so much about treatment of the affected patches but it is essentially a war against the spores and it is basically much more of a hygiene battle than an illness issue in order to get on top it. It is usually the gaps in the hygiene that trip most owners up and that turn ringworn into such a soul-crushing endless saga.

If your rescue can give you a portion of imaverol for a first dip, that is great but ideally the start of treatment should coincide with a cage and cage furniture deep clean with F10 (as the disinfectant that is the most effective in our own collective experience) so you start with all the environmental spores out of the way as well, which really cuts down on the risk of further patches a week or two later.
Change the bedding and give all the housing a wipe while your piggies are drying off after every dip so you start each time with zero spores and a minimal reinfection risk. I know very well what a pain it is but ringworm is the one health issue where it is worth throwing the bathtub after the kitchen sink for a relatively short time for the sake of long term peace of mind and where it really doesn't pay to cut corners or skimp.

Unfortunately, it takes 10-14 days between infection and acute outbreak with ringworm. The regular dips and any oral treatment can break the cycle in those patches that have not yet become acute and visible. Once the patches are out, they have to run their course. The highly infectious spores are only spread by the acute patches, but they are shed in their thousands and all it takes is one single spore to start a new round. :(

A second deep clean at the end of the ringworm treatment coinciding with one last bath means that no further spores are carried across and that you can restart with a totally clean slate. This last bath and deep clean are crucial in our experience in order to minimise the risk of a recurrance. Using different bedding/housing during treatment or re-starting with totally new bedding and housing can help, especially in cases of a long running saga or with people who are dealing with ringworm piggies on a more regular basis.
Make sure that you really cover the whole body of the piggies with your dip and that the cage, its contents and its surroundings are all totally free of spores.

The good news is that this time you will hopefully have a manic fortnight but that after that you are free of ringworm or can cap it before it can really take off. Just concentrate on the light at the end of the tunnel to get through it. I promise you, it will never, ever get as bad as this ever again! :tu:

PS: After the first bout of ringworm (which was the worst since I transmitted it to another group via my pullover) I washed my cheap fleecy spare 'ringworm' bed covers from Primark and the grotty cotton towels for underlay at 90 C (the fleeces are big enough for my hospital cage that shrinking doesn't matter) and submerged any second-hand plastic 'ringworm' housing completely in a bucket with F10 concentrate and water mix to dry in the sun afterwards. Then I put it all away in a bag in the attic so I only had to dig my ringworm stuff out again for my quarantine cage in an area that can be easily wiped down and disinfected around the treatment cage in a different room to my other piggies. I still have that bag with my old ringworm stuff although I haven't had any ringworm for 8 years now - touch F10-soaked wood!

I would recommend that you do the same with your ringworm bedding in case there is one rogue spore that has escaped but this time you will have everything in hand (disinfectant and treatment) to step in asap so it will never get near as bad again even if you are unlucky. I would also recommend that you continue using a less strong concentration of F10 for cage cleaning or a stronger mix for another deep clean once a month as well as giving your housing a regular wipe, just to minimise any risks of returns.

I sincerely hope that this helps you.

PS: There have obviously been some bad experiences with itrafungol so vets are more reluctant to prescribe it unless everything else fails these days than they used to. Personally, none of my piggies has ever had a problem with it.
The same also goes with cisapride which only came in after zantac (ranitidine) was withdrawn from the market. Cisapride has much more secondary risks of serious side effects and it should only be used with consideration. Sadly, the human demand for ranitidine by far outstrips production so it is very difficult for vets to get hold of it even though it is more effective for bloating in guinea pigs etc. than cisapride.
 
Hi

Please don't feel bad as an owner; you clearly aren't and you have done the best you could with the knowledge and information you had. Ringworm can really get into your head. You are in good company. Please don't apologise.

I've had ringworm coming back and I've found out the hard way just how long spores can stay live to cause reinfections as well as in how many ways they can be passed on (including via the clothes you wear when handling piggies) to cause reinfections.
Only that I have put all those tough lessons together with others learned from cases here on the forum, including experiences from which treatments are more effective and which are not. I have tried to really think things through systematically in terms of a comprehensive and effective hygiene regime from start to finish and then I have tried to compile it all in our step by step ringworm guide that takes you through the whole battle.
When I wrote the guide there was just no advice on the crucial hygiene aspect anywhere and interest was generally more in how cheaply people could get away with home DIY treatment, which generally resulted in long running battles and messes that ultimately cost them more than if they had invested in good quality treatment and put in the hard work.

What most vets and owners are sadly not aware of is that ringworm is not so much about treatment of the affected patches but it is essentially a war against the spores and it is basically much more of a hygiene battle than an illness issue in order to get on top it. It is usually the gaps in the hygiene that trip most owners up and that turn ringworn into such a soul-crushing endless saga.

If your rescue can give you a portion of imaverol for a first dip, that is great but ideally the start of treatment should coincide with a cage and cage furniture deep clean with F10 (as the disinfectant that is the most effective in our own collective experience) so you start with all the environmental spores out of the way as well, which really cuts down on the risk of further patches a week or two later.
Change the bedding and give all the housing a wipe while your piggies are drying off after every dip so you start each time with zero spores and a minimal reinfection risk. I know very well what a pain it is but ringworm is the one health issue where it is worth throwing the bathtub after the kitchen sink for a relatively short time for the sake of long term peace of mind and where it really doesn't pay to cut corners or skimp.

Unfortunately, it takes 10-14 days between infection and acute outbreak with ringworm. The regular dips and any oral treatment can break the cycle in those patches that have not yet become acute and visible. Once the patches are out, they have to run their course. The highly infectious spores are only spread by the acute patches, but they are shed in their thousands and all it takes is one single spore to start a new round. :(

A second deep clean at the end of the ringworm treatment coinciding with one last bath means that no further spores are carried across and that you can restart with a totally clean slate. This last bath and deep clean are crucial in our experience in order to minimise the risk of a recurrance. Using different bedding/housing during treatment or re-starting with totally new bedding and housing can help, especially in cases of a long running saga or with people who are dealing with ringworm piggies on a more regular basis.
Make sure that you really cover the whole body of the piggies with your dip and that the cage, its contents and its surroundings are all totally free of spores.

The good news is that this time you will hopefully have a manic fortnight but that after that you are free of ringworm or can cap it before it can really take off. Just concentrate on the light at the end of the tunnel to get through it. I promise you, it will never, ever get as bad as this ever again! :tu:

PS: After the first bout of ringworm (which was the worst since I transmitted it to another group via my pullover) I washed my cheap fleecy spare 'ringworm' bed covers from Primark and the grotty cotton towels for underlay at 90 C (the fleeces are big enough for my hospital cage that shrinking doesn't matter) and submerged any second-hand plastic 'ringworm' housing completely in a bucket with F10 concentrate and water mix to dry in the sun afterwards. Then I put it all away in a bag in the attic so I only had to dig my ringworm stuff out again for my quarantine cage in an area that can be easily wiped down and disinfected around the treatment cage in a different room to my other piggies. I still have that bag with my old ringworm stuff although I haven't had any ringworm for 8 years now - touch F10-soaked wood!

I would recommend that you do the same with your ringworm bedding in case there is one rogue spore that has escaped but this time you will have everything in hand (disinfectant and treatment) to step in asap so it will never get near as bad again even if you are unlucky. I would also recommend that you continue using a less strong concentration of F10 for cage cleaning or a stronger mix for another deep clean once a month as well as giving your housing a regular wipe, just to minimise any risks of returns.

I sincerely hope that this helps you.

PS: There have obviously been some bad experiences with itrafungol so vets are more reluctant to prescribe it unless everything else fails these days than they used to. Personally, none of my piggies has ever had a problem with it.
The same also goes with cisapride which only came in after zantac (ranitidine) was withdrawn from the market. Cisapride has much more secondary risks of serious side effects and it should only be used with consideration. Sadly, the human demand for ranitidine by far outstrips production so it is very difficult for vets to get hold of it even though it is more effective for bloating in guinea pigs etc. than cisapride.
Thanks very much & mean it from the bottom of my heart! I know you must be so busy so I really do appreciate the time you have spent with the detailed answers. Made me feel a little less useless!

I had a round trip of nearly 1.5 hours but we got some. The washing bowl etc hadn’t arrived so I couldn’t get him washed but I did get him fairly damp using cotton buds (no easy task, thankfully he’s such a placid boy, although I wish I hadn’t taught him to climb up when he wants to go back home!). Cleaning the cage fully with the F10 disinfectant took nigh on 2 hours. Only bad side is that I am still using the liners that haven’t been washed at 60 as I haven’t been able to get them washed / to the shops! Sister is having a mental health breakdown & working full time with 2 lads (violins out) has me rushed off my feet.

But I thought it has to be better than doing nothing? Understand I’m not curing the hygiene side of the spores but at least clearing away some? I will get them both washed & into “unsullied” liners etc on Monday. Cupboards behind them all washed down with the F10 too!

We have only really have fabric hides etc so they’re getting washed at 60 too & may end up being casualties?

Funny you should say that about cisapride as I had that for Bramble after his appetite was completely shot by the azithromycin (or something like that?) & she wasn’t too bothered other than saying if he was on it for life then it may effect his heart? So strange the difference in opinion isn’t it?

I just want to say thank you so much again for your ongoing support & everyone else too 😘 Will keep you informed! x
 
When I had guineas and they were unwell or had mites etc, I never felt I was managing well, always felt 'less than' other pet owners. So I'm sending you some support! All you can do is your best and that's probably better than you think.

Get better soon to your poor itchy boy and all the best to you to getting rid of that ringworm once and for all!
Thank you very much @Mrs Tiggy Winkle your support means a lot! Such a stressful time! Spent ages tonight cleaning the cage so fingers crossed that will help?

I really hope so, he’s such a canny boy, always being humped by his brother too & most of the time he just puts up with it.

Thanks again x
 
Just adding to this that I now use Halo sports wash for all my piggy bedding. It is non-bio but contains an antibacterial and antifungal. It was recommended by our vet when one of my piggies had a fungal infection. We buy it from Sainsbury's but you can get it online too.

Don't feel like a bad owner, most of us have had outbreaks of mites or fungal at some time. It's just bad luck and you are doing all the right things. Take care of yourself too.
 
Thanks very much & mean it from the bottom of my heart! I know you must be so busy so I really do appreciate the time you have spent with the detailed answers. Made me feel a little less useless!

I had a round trip of nearly 1.5 hours but we got some. The washing bowl etc hadn’t arrived so I couldn’t get him washed but I did get him fairly damp using cotton buds (no easy task, thankfully he’s such a placid boy, although I wish I hadn’t taught him to climb up when he wants to go back home!). Cleaning the cage fully with the F10 disinfectant took nigh on 2 hours. Only bad side is that I am still using the liners that haven’t been washed at 60 as I haven’t been able to get them washed / to the shops! Sister is having a mental health breakdown & working full time with 2 lads (violins out) has me rushed off my feet.

But I thought it has to be better than doing nothing? Understand I’m not curing the hygiene side of the spores but at least clearing away some? I will get them both washed & into “unsullied” liners etc on Monday. Cupboards behind them all washed down with the F10 too!

We have only really have fabric hides etc so they’re getting washed at 60 too & may end up being casualties?

Funny you should say that about cisapride as I had that for Bramble after his appetite was completely shot by the azithromycin (or something like that?) & she wasn’t too bothered other than saying if he was on it for life then it may effect his heart? So strange the difference in opinion isn’t it?

I just want to say thank you so much again for your ongoing support & everyone else too 😘 Will keep you informed! x

Please bathe all your piggies at the same time, irrespective of whether they have acute patches or not; not just the one affected - the other one could easily have already picked up spores but is still in the gap between infection and outbreak. By bathing unaffected piggies as well, you prevent any already received infection from actually breaking out in a fungal patch.

Please always bathe the unaffected piggies first before you bathe the ones with acute fungal patches. This is another small measure in which you can minimise the contagion risk. Disinfect the bowl after use or before the next time you use it, just to be on the safe side. I know only too well how tedious it all is but you are systematically blocking all possible transmission routes and that is going to pay off for the long term. :(

Only bathing or treating the acutely affected piggy - whether that is fungal or parasitical - is another hygiene gap. Remember, you are not just treating fungal patches, you are waging total war on all possible ringworm spores if you really want to get on top of them. It is the combination of all possible measures, little and large, that will carry the day. ;)

Just making sure! :tu:
 
Just adding to this that I now use Halo sports wash for all my piggy bedding. It is non-bio but contains an antibacterial and antifungal. It was recommended by our vet when one of my piggies had a fungal infection. We buy it from Sainsbury's but you can get it online too.

Don't feel like a bad owner, most of us have had outbreaks of mites or fungal at some time. It's just bad luck and you are doing all the right things. Take care of yourself too.
Thanks very much, I will get some of that from Sainsbury’s!

Thanks, I wish I didn’t feel so bad but it’s when they depend on you isn’t it?

Thanks so much for your help x
 
Please bathe all your piggies at the same time, irrespective of whether they have acute patches or not; not just the one affected - the other one could easily have already picked up spores but is still in the gap between infection and outbreak. By bathing unaffected piggies as well, you prevent any already received infection from actually breaking out in a fungal patch.

Please always bathe the unaffected piggies first before you bathe the ones with acute fungal patches. This is another small measure in which you can minimise the contagion risk. Disinfect the bowl after use or before the next time you use it, just to be on the safe side. I know only too well how tedious it all is but you are systematically blocking all possible transmission routes and that is going to pay off for the long term. :(

Only bathing or treating the acutely affected piggy - whether that is fungal or parasitical - is another hygiene gap. Remember, you are not just treating fungal patches, you are waging total war on all possible ringworm spores if you really want to get on top of them. It is the combination of all possible measures, little and large, that will carry the day. ;)

Just making sure! :tu:
They have both now been bathed & the cage deep cleaned & bedding washed at 60. They coped with it a lot better than I did ha ha!

Quick question with how dry they are when you put them in their cage (indoors). They do not like the hairdryer so they have been dried as much as can get them with a towel, also used a bit of plenty as it was more absorbent on the lengths. They are damp but not wet enough to make anything wet, will this be ok? The house is warm (22c) & they’re not in a draft? I’m paranoid about them getting ill from not being dry enough? x
 
They have both now been bathed & the cage deep cleaned & bedding washed at 60. They coped with it a lot better than I did ha ha!

Quick question with how dry they are when you put them in their cage (indoors). They do not like the hairdryer so they have been dried as much as can get them with a towel, also used a bit of plenty as it was more absorbent on the lengths. They are damp but not wet enough to make anything wet, will this be ok? The house is warm (22c) & they’re not in a draft? I’m paranoid about them getting ill from not being dry enough? x

Let them dry off in their cage once you have towelled them gently so they are no longer soaking wet. Just make sure that the room is not cold and that there is no draft. You can half-heat a couple of snugglesafes you can put underneath their favourite hangouts if you wish to.
 
Let them dry off in their cage once you have towelled them gently so they are no longer soaking wet. Just make sure that the room is not cold and that there is no draft. You can half-heat a couple of snugglesafes you can put underneath their favourite hangouts if you wish to.
Thanks so much for the quick reply! They are just damp. They are in the sitting room which gets heated by the sun all day. The window vents are closed too today.

Thanks very much for your help again, the fight starts here! x
 
Thanks so much for the quick reply! They are just damp. They are in the sitting room which gets heated by the sun all day. The window vents are closed too today.

Thanks very much for your help again, the fight starts here! x

Unless they are long-haired (in which case they may profit from a summer short-hair cut anyway - less opportunity for spores to cling) they will dry pretty quickly within an hour or two.
 
Unless they are long-haired (in which case they may profit from a summer short-hair cut anyway - less opportunity for spores to cling) they will dry pretty quickly within an hour or two.
Think I might give Brams a trim but it is only long at the back, it’s just thick really? Fozzy has dried a lot quicker? He very nearly dry but Bramble is still damp. Can’t get any more dampness off him though x
 
Think I might give Brams a trim but it is only long at the back, it’s just thick really? Fozzy has dried a lot quicker? He very nearly dry but Bramble is still damp. Can’t get any more dampness off him though x

Different breeds have different hairs, and some have thinner coats as well. Rexoid piggies take longer to dry. If you are not too bothered, you can give Bramble a haircut where his hair is thickest. The hair will grow back to its genetically determined length.

More Practical How-To Care Guides (Sub-forum Links): Haircutting, bathing & grease glands
 
I didn’t realise how thick his hair was until he was washed! It’s more dense than long? Fozzy is now a lush fluff ball! I used your fantastic guide when washing them. You’re a god send x
 

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