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Guinea Pig Acting Very Out Of Character And Lethargic

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Our very active one year old guinea pig, Boris, has become very quiet recently and seems to be in pain at times when he looks like he wants to pee/poo, which he hasn't done for the past six hours or so. Additionally, he (not very frequently; a few times every couple of hours) makes pained squeaks and arches his back (trying to poo?). I'll see if I can record it later. He is eating, but not very much and we are having to give him water via syringe since he isn't drinking from the water bottle in the cage (seemingly due to it being to hard for him to stretch to it.) Is there any advice you can give us regarding what may be wrong with him / what to do to help him? We hope to get him to a vets tomorrow!
 
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Personally I would be making a trip to the vet for the first appointment in the morning, or if he deteriorates he may need a vet sooner. He should be pooping, but it is good he is still eating and taking water from you. Somebody with more expertise will be along shortly no doubt.

You can find your local piggy savvy vet using the forum's vet locator, it is located on a tab at the top of the page. It would also be helpful for us members if we knew where you were, adding your location to your profile helps us suggest vets/rescues/other things close to you, if you dont want to put your exact town that is fine a general area or county (or country if you arent in the UK) would be sufficient :-).
 
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Thank you!
We are going to try and get him in ASAP tomorrow. I'll go edit my profile now :)
Also, thought I might add that he stands completely still facing a corner in his cage when he's in there and when we get him out he buries his head in the crook of arm and doesn't move (normally he moves around after a short while and is very active)
 
Thank you!
We are going to try and get him in ASAP tomorrow. I'll go edit my profile now :)
Also, thought I might add that he stands completely still facing a corner in his cage when he's in there and when we get him out he buries his head in the crook of arm and doesn't move (normally he moves around after a short while and is very active)

If he is facing a corner & sits huddled up, won't eat or drink & is not weeing or pooing then it is a medical emergency & you should take him to an emergency vet tonight :( I hope he will be ok :(
 
In the past few minutes he's perked up a little - we've got him out and he's looking around (not just burying his head) and drinking more which is a tiny bit reassuring. We were wondering if it was because our other guinea pig (Monty) has been stopping him from eating? That would perhaps account for the lack of poo and of energy and why now, after feeding him a little, he's a bit better. Monty's been seen jumping on Boris' back and doing things such as blocking him in the little cubby hole where they sleep. We noticed over the past few days Boris seemed lighter than usual and it's been since around Wednesday that he's been getting less energetic, though only really today that his actions have been completely out of character - we keep our pigs outside and sometimes when we bring them in they will act lazy because of the warmer temperature and just want to cuddle rather than explore, but normally (including the past couple of days) Boris will want to go off exploring after 20-30 minutes.

Update: I found this webpage with various guinea pig sounds on it, http://www.guineapigmanual.com/guinea-pig-sounds/
If you scroll to bad noises > Whining and play 5-6 seconds, that is the noise Boris was making, but only for a second - not as long as the guinea pig in the clip - and he's not made that noise for over two hours now
 
Hand feeding fresh greens (for poopies) and hold the bottle for him to drink. Encouraging eating and drinking habits for him when he is constipated could help him to go to the loo but definetly a trip to the V E T S is in need! When my hamster became constipated I did this and also took him to the vets where she gave him a special liquid to put in his water and after 24 hours he was back to normal again, pooping every where! Hope all goes well for you! Wheek Wheek x
 
Okay- so, after speaking to the vet around when you replied we headed off to have him checked. It turns out that his bladder had completely blocked up and he couldn't actually pee, which in turn prevented him from excreting. The vet managed to... Well, not the most pleasant of things to share, but essentially he had a poo the size of a ping pong ball. Like your hamster, we have to give him various solutions to stop the 'urine sludge' and bring him back to normal. He wasn't in serious pain, but he was in discomfort and that's what would have caused the lethargy and best case scenario should be well in a week or so, pooping all over his cage in just a couple of days. Having said that, as of yet there hasn't been much of a change and he's still looking pretty poorly and acting odd :(
Thanks for the advice; the vet agreed with the fresh greens and giving water. Apparently diluted cranberry juice is good for constipation, too.
Hopefully he looks brighter in the morning :)
 
Awh I hope he is much better soon :)
(Also pineapple juice is good but some companies put too much sugar so it's always something to look out for) x
 
I hope that your vet can find out what is the matter with him.

Please weigh your piggies weekly, any piggy that you are concerned about, daily. Any sudden weight loss over 60g should be investigated, a loss of 100g or more treated as an emergency. If a piggy stops eating, treat it as an emergency; the guts start closing down after 24 hours of no food and water. You need to have him seen by a vet as soon as possible and start hand feeding as soon as you notice. Lethargy is also an alarm sign that something very serious is wrong.

Mushed up pellets syringed in a 1ml syringe whose narrow tip has been cut off will do. Give 1ml of water for every 3-5ml of recovery food to prevent dehydration. To keep the weight, you need to feed at least 120ml in over the course of 24 hours. Little but often round the clock is the way to go if a piggy doesn't want to eat. Your care can often make the difference. http://www.guinealynx.info/handfeeding.html

If a piggy is turning its head into a corner and away from the world, then it is seriously ill. Sadly, they can go downhill very quickly, so it is vital that they are seen as quickly as possible. Vets usually have an out-of-hours service contact number on their answering machines. We also have got a piggy savvy UK vet locator on the top bar.

I am keeping my fingers firmly crossed for Boris and you!
 
Thank you all for your replies and well wishes, but I'm afraid to say that Boris did not make it. I accidentally wrote that he was 1 in my original post (typo) whereas he was 2, soon to be 3 in a few months.

In response to a few things, he had lost 50 grams in weight since the summer - we weighed him fortnightly. We didn't think it was a bad sign, since he put on 45g during the summer. I took him in from outside every day to check him and play, and the first sign of anything unusual was on Friday, but even then it wasn't much of a sign. He normally likes running about on the floor and investigating things, but that day he wasn't interested - except whilst that is slightly out of character, as I put it, it's not the first time he's wanted just to cuddle. On top of that, he was still eating fine at that point.

I wasn't there most of Saturday and I only got him out for a few minutes (not suspecting anything was wrong at that point), but again he seemed okay - eating, drinking, moving around. Sunday morning I came back and was told that he was being really lethargic and this was really the first sign of anything wrong. My parents had seen him in his cage not moving at all for a good 10-15 minutes and taken him inside. We kept him in all day because we were quite worried and got an appointment with the vets the next day, partly because we didn't think his condition was too bad (still eating / drinking / going to the toilet, but not moving much) and partly because our local vets are ridiculously expensive for a late night call and even more so for a weekend one (in the end the bill ran around £200). Later in the day, around mid afternoon, we tried to give him some lunch but he refused it. Thinking it was because he had simply had enough, we left him with the option of food and water in the indoor cage that we got from the garage. We noticed he hadn't gone for a pee in about an hour, though he had pooped, at around half twelve. Honestly, we probably should have gone there and then to a vets but I suppose we just thought that he was just behaving odd for one reason or another. He had started to move around again, though, which we took to be a good sign. That's probably what led us to let our guard down. At around one, he walked some circuits of his cage and made a strange noises so we let him out onto the floor to wonder which is what he normally likes doing. He did this for a bit and had started to seem like his normal self, so we were somewhat relieved. That's where we got the idea of his brother Monty stopping him from eating; presuming us giving him food had brought his energy levels back up. We put him back in his cage at two and it was around five o'clock when he stopped shuffling around, but that is the time that it gets dark around here and so it seemed like he was just naturally getting ready for sleep (or whatever guinea pigs do, because I don't think I've ever seen a pig sleep). Then that's when the noises started. He didn't sound like he was in pain at first, it sounded like the noise they make when they are angry at one another, but we got him out from his cage again to check him. He started burying his head in the crook of my arm at that point, which was a bit strange since he normally hates having his head covered. After around half an hour of that, I signed up on these forums and looked around the internet for some clue as to what may be wrong. Once I got accepted I posted on here and he started making the somewhat pained squeaks - that was when I started to get really worried. Shortly after we spoke to the vets and left. When we got back, we tried to help him relax and get him in the cage. After staying up for some time, I had to go off to bed. As I was walking away, he made a pained squeak so I went back and spoke to him. He had started shivering and I had no idea what could be done, so I just spoke to him. I doubted somehow that he would make it to the morning, so I said goodbye then. I tucked him in with some hay to stop him shivering (though I don't think it's because he was cold) and I left. After that there's not much more to say - he died at 4:29:33am today with us standing by him after my mum woke us up because she checked on him and heard labored breathing. He went fairly peacefully, though we still don't really know what caused it. According to the vets, he should have simply gotten better... :(
All of the guinea pig approved vets are 30+ miles away from us and we were already registered with another more local vets (4 miles) so we went there. Perhaps it was a combination of things that he simply couldn't handle? Anyway, sadly there is nothing that can be done now. I suppose we must simply remember the good times we've had with him :(

I was also wondering if you could help with what to do with our other guinea pig, Monty. He and Boris were like the best of friends and now Monty is all alone. Will he be okay? We'll give him plenty off attention

Boris, two days ago:
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Boris and Monty:
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Sorry if this post is really long and doesn't read very well, it's a bit late. Thank you again for your replies! I don't think I've been on such a friendly forum before :)
 
I am very sorry! Boris was a lovely golden boy and you must miss him ever so much! It is always very difficult when things happen over a weekend - in my experience, they invariably do! You have tried your best, and you are not a bad mummy. It is often not quite as easy to judge. Even with the best of care and immediate access to a vet, you would have been very much up against it as it is likely from your account that a major organ (heart, kidneys, gut stasis) was packing in.

I have just lost one of my own piggies last week within 48 hours despite having her seen on the day before by a piggy savvy vet after a weight loss/slight lethargy episode and despite hand feeding and medicating her round the clock. Sometimes, it is just not to be. It will take you some time to get over it all; please take that time, but don't feel bad about yourself! :(

You are most welcome to post a tribute to Boris in our Rainbow Bridge Pets section whenever you feel up to it. We also have got tips on how to best care for a bereaved piggy at the top of that section.

PS: We try our best to be friendly and supportive, as many of us have been where you are ourselves at some point or other!
 
I'm so sorry that Boris lost his fight, I agree with Wiebke that it sounds like a major organ was failing. I understand how hard it is too as I lost my Jess only a week or so ago to a sudden heart attack.

Monty should be ok on his own for now, but in time when you are ready you could take him to find a friend at a rescue. Keep an eye on him though to make sure he isn't pining, as it then may be necessary to look sooner.
 
Your other piggy will be as sad as you. You have just lost a piggy and he has just lost his best friend. Sometime in the near future he will need another friend (try boar dating). Obviously since the pain is so raw you both need time to heal, at least he is in the little piggy heven comfortable, relaxed and pain free
 
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