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Dental Guinea Pig Not Eating After Dental Procedure

Leila

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Hello, guys.
So, since last Wednesday, my two year-old boar Jaime, has lost it's apetite. He was still eating by himself, but he was eating a tad less. I thought it could be stress because I had showered him that same day, so I decideto wait it out, since he was still eating. However he ate even less on Thursday, and seemed to be drooling and not being able to close his mouth, so I knew it was a dental issue. I took him to the Vet on Friday, and the Vet took an X-Ray and decided that both his molars and incisors were too long. So, with Jaime asleep, he clipped both of them. At the time I had no idea incisors shouldn't be clipped, since both of the Vets that took care of him in the past have clipped them, because his jaw is crooked and his incisors tend to wear on only one side of the incisors. So I thought that could be the issue too. Jaime went home with me and he was on dypyrone for 2 days and some vitamins. Jaime was very interested in eating, and he was eating in large quantities, but only soft foods and on my hand. He didn't seem able to cut down foods on his own, which led me to believe his incisors were too short. I awaited a while, but slowly he was losing his apetite again and I also noticed him gag whenever he ate something slightly larger, so yesterday (wednesday), I took him to the same vet. As I awaited with Jaime on a little carrier, I noticed something hamgimg from his chin. When I pulled it, it seemed silicone or plastic. When I entered the vet's room I showed him what was on his mouth, and he said it was some plastic he must have chewed. However when he took s little camera device and incerted it on Jaime's mouth to take a look at his molars again, there were pieces of this EVERYWHERE on his mouth. Everywhere the camera went, there was this odd substance which no vet could determine what it was. The vet said it wasn't a discharge and he must have chewed on something at home or on the way home. Anyway, he decided to give anaesthesia to Jaime again and take a look at his molars again to see if even more needed to be trimmed, because aparently Jaime still couIdn't close his mouth. I asked him to leave his incisors the size they were and he agreed he could've cut them too short. The procedure took two hours. I was so stressed out. When I finally was called back, they said they found a huge abscess behind his molars which they drained. They sent me home this time with tramadol for 3 days, baytril for 8 and Predsim.

Now, he as been at home for 12 hours and Jaime simply doesn't eat. He ate a little bit of a mush I made with his pallets, banana and tomatoes, but very little. That was all he ate in 24 hours. I asked the vet what to do and he said I should wait it out because he was still in so much pain but I know that he can't stay this long without eating. I tried making escarole "cigarettes" and shoving into his moith, tried the mushy pellets, I boiled carrots and chayote and make a mushy out of it too and he seems really interested, but he can barely open his mouth to eat it. I tried putting all of these substances separatedly in 1ml syringes to force feed, but everything seems to be clogging it, even after I cut the tip, not mattering how watery the mixtures are. I even tried larger syringes out of desparation, and they ended up clogged too. live in Brazil, we don't have any sort of CriticalCare, nor anything similar, only to cats and dogs. He seems weak, very miserable and I don't have any ideas what else to do.
 
P.S: Regarding the plastic on his mouth, I looked everywhere on his cage and carrier everywherer and there was nothing similar to that. Also since the first procedure he had very short walk times on my room since he didn't seem very interested in playing, and during these short periods I was with him the whole time. My sister is a vet and she said that Jaime could've chewed something during or after the first procedure in the vet's surgery room, because the material was transparent and could have been a syringe or something. Also, the second procedure he did he didn't charge a thing for it. When I asked why, he said that it was because it was the second time I took Jaime to him (not sure how this works in the USA, but here in Brazil you pay for one consultation and after one week you return so the vet can do a quick check up and that consultation is for free). However if there are procedures like these done usually you have to pay just for the procedure. I found it strange but went home. My sister said he could have done something wrong and was was guilty and therefore made the procedure free. I also want you guy's opinion on this matter.
 
Please start syringe feeding Jaime ASAP. Over 80% of the daily food intake is hay; you cannot replace that with veg or fruit because the gut will start to ferment from lack of fibre. Use mushed up pellets and offwe s much water as you can if necessary as long as you cut off the syringe as shown in the guide. Your determined syringe feeding care at this stage is vital to keep the guts going to give Jaime a chance to get through this.
Complete Syringe Feeding Guide
Tips For Post-operative Care


Has your vet checked whether any of the plastic has gone into the digestive tract?
It sounds like something dodgy has happened during the operation but it is going to be near impossible for you to prove that. The best way is too see another exotics vet for a second opinion and better treatment. :(

I am not familiar with predsim; it is not a brandname that is used outside Brazil. what is it for? How much baytril is he on? Does your vet have access to stronger, not licensed antibiotics for guinea pigs?

@furryfriends (TEAS) @helen105281 @Jaycey @Freela
 
I'd think he should go to another vet, couldn't your sister treat him or recommend another vet.

My sister isn't an exotics vet. She knows very little of guinea pigs and said she wasn't capable of treating him correctly. There are only two exptic vets where I live, I usually don't take Jaime to this one he went this time. The other vet took very care of him but he only attends exotics on tuesdays and thursdays, so he wasn't atrending the first time I took Jaime to the vet, and therefore had to take him to the second one. I'm planning on taking him to the other vet next Tuesday, since today when I called in another vet said he wouldn't be there today.

Please start syringe feeding Jaime ASAP. Over 80% of the daily food intake is hay; you cannot replace that with veg or fruit because the gut will start to ferment from lack of fibre. Use mushed up pellets and offwe s much water as you can if necessary as long as you cut off the syringe as shown in the guide. Your determined syringe feeding care at this stage is vital to keep the guts going to give Jaime a chance to get through this.
Complete Syringe Feeding Guide
Tips For Post-operative Care


Has your vet checked whether any of the plastic has gone into the digestive tract?
It sounds like something dodgy has happened during the operation but it is going to be near impossible for you to prove that. The best way is too see another exotics vet for a second opinion and better treatment. :(

I am not familiar with predsim; it is not a brandname that is used outside Brazil. what is it for? How much baytril is he on? Does your vet have access to stronger, not licensed antibiotics for guinea pigs?

@furryfriends (TEAS) @helen105281 @Jaycey @Freela

I'll try to water down the pallets even more, but I'm affraid he will just be taking in liquids. The other times I attempted syringe feeding all that came out was pure water untill it eventually clogged..
Sorry, it is the brandna,e! The drug is prednisolone. He's on one quarter of a 15 mg baytrill pill, two times a day. I don't think vets ere can prescribe anything stronger since the other vet I took him another time when he was with a general infeccion in the begining of the year also prescribed Baytril.
 
My sister isn't an exotics vet. She knows very little of guinea pigs and said she wasn't capable of treating him correctly. There are only two exptic vets where I live, I usually don't take Jaime to this one he went this time. The other vet took very care of him but he only attends exotics on tuesdays and thursdays, so he wasn't atrending the first time I took Jaime to the vet, and therefore had to take him to the second one. I'm planning on taking him to the other vet next Tuesday, since today when I called in another vet said he wouldn't be there today.



I'll try to water down the pallets even more, but I'm affraid he will just be taking in liquids. The other times I attempted syringe feeding all that came out was pure water untill it eventually clogged..
Sorry, it is the brandna,e! The drug is prednisolone. He's on one quarter of a 15 mg baytrill pill, two times a day. I don't think vets ere can prescribe anything stronger since the other vet I took him another time when he was with a general infeccion in the begining of the year also prescribed Baytril.

You NEED to cut off the tip of the syringe just below where it narrows and also cut off the end of the plunger inside of the syringe. You can find the picture how it should look when you click on this green link coloured link here: Complete Syringe Feeding Guide
 
You NEED to cut off the tip of the syringe just below where it narrows and also cut off the end of the plunger inside of the syringe. You can find the picture how it should look when you click on this green link coloured link here: Complete Syringe Feeding Guide

Yes Wiebke, as I stated on the first post I had cut the tip as stated on this guide and still is clogging up and blocking the syringe. I cut it even lower and it made things much easier though. I just fed him 3 ml of his food in the course of 15 ml and he took it in fine, seemingly. I will keep repeating the process. However when I was placing the syringe on his mouth I felt a but of resistance that I never felt before. I placed the syringe on the sides of his mouth as stated on the guide so he can chew the food and I felt like there was something there. I tried opening his moith but couldn't see much.

Thank you so much for the help so far.
 
Yes Wiebke, as I stated on the first post I had cut the tip as stated on this guide and still is clogging up and blocking the syringe. I cut it even lower and it made things much easier though. I just fed him 3 ml of his food in the course of 15 ml and he took it in fine, seemingly. I will keep repeating the process. However when I was placing the syringe on his mouth I felt a but of resistance that I never felt before. I placed the syringe on the sides of his mouth as stated on the guide so he can chew the food and I felt like there was something there. I tried opening his moith but couldn't see much.

Thank you so much for the help so far.

Can you try whether feeding with a small spoon is easier for you if syringing is difficult for you? And see whether you can find a syringe with a wider opening?

He sounds like he needs an examination by another vet as soon as possible!

I am so sorry; it is a nightmare for a caring owner as you are one!
 
Please start syringe feeding Jaime ASAP. Over 80% of the daily food intake is hay; you cannot replace that with veg or fruit because the gut will start to ferment from lack of fibre. Use mushed up pellets and offwe s much water as you can if necessary as long as you cut off the syringe as shown in the guide. Your determined syringe feeding care at this stage is vital to keep the guts going to give Jaime a chance to get through this.
Complete Syringe Feeding Guide
Tips For Post-operative Care


Has your vet checked whether any of the plastic has gone into the digestive tract?
It sounds like something dodgy has happened during the operation but it is going to be near impossible for you to prove that. The best way is too see another exotics vet for a second opinion and better treatment. :(

I am not familiar with predsim; it is not a brandname that is used outside Brazil. what is it for? How much baytril is he on? Does your vet have access to stronger, not licensed antibiotics for guinea pigs?

@furryfriends (TEAS) @helen105281 @Jaycey @Freela
Predsim is Prednisolone, which is a steroid, and should not be given to guinea pigs.
 
Thank you so much for all the help guys. I'll discuss the use of steroids with his current vet and with his other vet when he sees him on Tuesday, when the day he is available. I kept feeding Jaime 3ml of mushy pallets and 1 ml of water every 2 hours and he seems slight more awake but still spent all the day laying down or sleeping. He's gained 2 grams since yesterday, so at least he didn't lose even more weight.
 
Fingers crossed. I am wondering whether he has a long-standing abscess that is making eating extremely painful. I know the vet drained it, but can vouch from experience that draining it once and giving Baytril often isn't enough to clear a nasty dental infection. Did the vet drain the pus from the abscess from inside his mouth, or is there a visible wound in his face where it was drained that you can keep expressing and build-up from?
 
Fingers crossed. I am wondering whether he has a long-standing abscess that is making eating extremely painful. I know the vet drained it, but can vouch from experience that draining it once and giving Baytril often isn't enough to clear a nasty dental infection. Did the vet drain the pus from the abscess from inside his mouth, or is there a visible wound in his face where it was drained that you can keep expressing and build-up from?

I don't know, he has never had a diagnosed abscess before. He has been woth me for nesrly a year and he never had an abscess. And no, the vet drained it from inside his mouth. The abscess was on his molars, so there's no way I can reach it to keep draining..

I'll schedule the second vet for Tuesday and I'll see what he has to say. I also spoke to an orthondontis vet from a nearby city (not a specialist in guinea pigs, but she has experience with some) and she recommended to keep him on Baytril for 14 days instead of 8 to increase the chances of getting rid of the infection. What do you guys think about that? I'm a little bit worried woth that because he has had liver problems in the begining of the year (his liver was enlarged).

Jaime is slightly more active and managed to drink water by himself. He is laying down most of the time but is mostly awake, unlike yesterday and the day before. I'm still force feeding every two hours 3-4ml but he also neebled o a banana by himself.
 
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