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Guinea Pig Not Eating On Her Own

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Hi, my first post on here :)

I have a poorly guinea pig and I'm looking for some advice and support.
I'm sorry this might be a long post!
Just want to give you all the info I can!

Some background info on my pig, Betty:
She is a rescue piggy, we adopted her at approx 2 years old as a companion for my other old piggy Ernie. He then passed away not long after we got her and so she has been on her own ever since.
That was over 3 years ago so she is at least 5.
She lives indoors and has done ever since we got her.

About 6 months ago we noticed her eyes had gone slightly cloudy. We took her to the vet who diagnosed her with diabetes and cataracts related to the diabetes. Over one weekend the cataracts grew very white and they almost cover her entire eye so she is nearly completely blind. Although there is no available treatment the vet agreed with us that we should see how Betty carried on, so long as she was happy and eating and seeming to enjoy life.

She has been a little less active but still wheeking for food and she finds her way around her cage very well considering she can't really see! She still managed to run to her veg bowl every eve too! She has generally seemed very happy.


So that's all the b.ground info. Last Sunday I noticed that she didn't want to come out of her house, she was looking very puffed up and was just hunched in the doorway. She refused any veggies that we offered her and I didn't see her eat. I also noticed that her eyes are very crusty.

We took her to the vet on Monday and explained that she wasn't eating and was not herself, the vet had a look in her mouth and said she couldn't see anything wrong with her teeth but that it was difficult to see and so Betty was admitted overnight and had a dental examination under general anesthetic on the Tuesday.

We collected her Tues eve from the vet and they said that they had found some sharp edges that might have been causing Betty some discomfort so they had filed her teeth. She had received some pain meds and drugs to encourage appetite and she had nibbled on some pellets and a bit of carrot at the vets. I was told to keep an eye on her and make sure she was passing her food and eating, and to give them a call if she wasn't.

Anway that evening Betty barely ate a thing, I managed to get her to eat the end of a tomato and a tiny bit of cucumber but that was it. She also barely pooed! Just a handful of the tiniest little poos I have ever seen a g.pig do. Sorry for the graphic detail! She was also just sat hunched in the corner of the cage.

We took her back to the vet the next morning, Wednesday, because we were really concerned. Different vet this time. She said it wasn't surprising Betty wasn't eating after the dental and that she was probably in a bit of pain. Betty was kept in that day and overnight and she was given more pain killers, stuff to get her guts moving, appetite encouragers etc as well as being fed critical care regularly.

We picked her up Thursday eve and she was looking much brighter. She had passed some more proper poos and was interested in food again although she still wasn't eating much on her own although they told me she had nibbled at her hay. I was given a couple of sachets of Oxbow Critical Care and a MASSIVE syringe to use to feed her. Plus some drugs to act as a motilium to keep her guts moving.

So since then I have been hand feeding her the Critical Care. It's taken me a few attempts to master it and I'm still not sure I'm doing it right but Betty is loving it! She is wolfing down the stuff! I can get around 50mls into her in one sitting. However it might not be the right consistency it might be more watery than it's supposed to be! I've found that she loves it more when it's nice and warm. She has shown interest in her hay and veggies but it's almost like she can't get it into her mouth properly. She gets quite excited when I put fresh veg in the cage (am trying to refresh the veg after every critical care session so they smell appetizing!) and she wobbles up to her bowl to have a go but it's like she can't manage to eat it properly herself. Especially with the hay, it looks like she can't get it in her mouth properly and then she gives up trying and just settles down for a nap.

So after all that info, (if anyone is still reading this!) my main concern now is what to expect. Will she start to eat on her own eventually? She looks like she is struggling at the moment and I'm worried her teeth still aren't right. Or could it be something else causing her to not eat? It's horrible to say but how long should I keep on trying? I am not giving up on her yet, I feel quite strongly about the fact that as her owner I owe it to her to try my hardest. I would want my owner to if I was a g.pig! But there must come a point when we have to evaluate her quality of life, especially considering her other problems.

Thanks for any help in advance and sorry for writing soooo much! I've made my essay different colours to try and break it up!
 
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Hello, welcome to the forum. Sorry to hear you are having dental problems. We had a dental piggie and know how frustrating and hard it can be.

It is good to see you are feeding her critical care, if Betty is not managing to eat anything you need to be aiming for 120ml of it over a day spaced out in several feeds.
Please make sure you are weighing her daily so you can track her weight. It may even be worth before and after feeds.

Sometimes it can take a while for piggies to start eating again after dental work as their mouths can be very sore... Did the vet give you any painkiller such as metacam to syringe at home, after one of our girls dental work it took 3 days and 3 days of metacam (anti inflamatory painkiller) before she would eat on her own. If not is is worth contacting your vet regarding this.
I have pointed furryfriends to this post. She is extremely knowledgable with dental piggies and runs a sanctuary for them.
Love to Betty x
 
oh bless her I hope she is feeling a bit more happy now xx
 
Thank you for the replies!

She is still the same. I just gave her some more critical care, about 45mls and again she was taking it well. That's about 110mls so far today, I'm going to give her one more feed later.

I haven't thought to weigh her! I'll weigh on the next feed.

No pain meds, all I have been given is the critical care and some 'Emeprid Oral susp.' of which she has to have 0.4mls twice a day.

We are on our 3rd day of hand feeding at home today, 6 days on from the dental treatment.

I have noticed her sneezing a few times today, but I didn't know if maybe some critical care had gone up her nose?!
 
Your doing well with the syringe feeding, well done its not always easy.

Emprid is a gut stim so will keep everything moving through nicely. So it's good that shes on that.

I'd certainly ask based on our experience for some metacam pain killer, so you can rule out soreness stopping her from trying to eat. Piggies teeth can regrow very quickly after dentals and hay is vital to keeping them worn down - so the sooner she is eating the better the pain killer may help with this.

Please keep us updated on your little girl, hope she feels better soon. X
 
Firstly, you're doing a fantastic job at syringe feeding. It sounds like you're getting lots in.

Have the incisors been cut too short? It would seem your piggie wants to eat but just can't pick the food up.

I have a lot of experience of dental piggies as I run a Sanctuary for them, and have a fantastic vet who has cured so many piggies with dental issues. If your piggie doesn't start to show some improvement soon, is there any way you could get to Northampton to take her to Simon Maddock at The Cat and Rabbit Care Clinic? If you were going to find it difficult to travel so far for vet appts, I am more than willing to offer your piggie a temporary place at the Sanctuary to enable her to receive treatment from Simon.
 
I just saw her eat a nugget!

I know it's only one nugget but it's more proper food than I've seen her eat on her own in a week so I'm happy.

She is also now trying to eat a mini red gem lettuce leaf (usually her FAVE).

I think your comment, furryfriends, about her teeth being too short might well be what is wrong because it does look like she can't pick the leaf up. She sort of tosses her head about to try and move any food into the right place, and then seems to give up. However right as I'm typing this she is still munching very slowly on the leaf...

Thankyou for the offer, I've had a little read about on here and Simon sounds like an amazing vet. I just wish Northampton was closer to me! I'm not ruling it out, I will see how Betty gets on over the next few days.

We have a follow up appt. on Tues but I'm going to have to pop back to the vet tomo for more critical care because she's nearly eaten it all. She really does seem to love the stuff! * I'll ask about pain meds at the same time

**and now back to the food bowl for another nugget! cant believe it! **
 
fingers crossed....Simon is really good so if you do get worried there must be a way round any problems...
 
I read your link and I think you deserve a medal Furry Friends for what you do!
I have only been doing this for 3 days for one piggy, you are amazing to do it every day for so many.

Just gave Betty another 30ml crit. care and a bit of water.

I read on here about having veg in a dispenser to make it easier for them to eat, so I just tried to simulate it by holding onto a piece of carrot next to her and seeing what she did. At first she just bit in and tugged it out of my hand, then dropped it! They are so strong sometimes! The next go I managed to hold on and she took at least 3 little bites and then decided she didn't want any more.
However she is still nibbling on it now as I've left her for the night so we'll see what's left in the morning...

I weighed her before her feed. My scales are old school, not the digital kind so I can't be totally accurate but I think she weighs almost exactly 1kg. Not sure if that's normal but I'm sure she has lost some just from stroking her and feeling bones where there was always just chub. She has always been a big pig!

Will update in the morning, night all.
 
I just wanted to wish you and Betty luck and send some healing vibes, i had a very very poorly young man earlier this year, he had a dental abscess and did not eat on his own for 4 weeks, like you i was syringing around the clock - food and med's, and then one day after the final squeeze and flush out of the abscess he was 90% back to his normal self. But i know how emotionally drained i was during the whole process, and if it wasn't for the support of the forum members i dont know how i would have got through it, but i did and now my boy is perfectly healthy and happy, so every minute was worth it and i would do it all over again. And yes Debbie is remarkable. xx
 
Phew busy day couple of days, sorry for my lack of updates.

Betty's weight yesterday was the same. I got another sachet of Critical Care today, this stuff is so expensive! £4.75 a sachet from my vet! Does anyone know if you can buy it in bulk or something?

Last night she finished off almost all her carrot and lettuce and loads of Basil.

I couldn't get her to eat as much of the Critical Care yesterday, about 100mls. Maybe it's because she's eating more on her own?

She has moved out from her house and made herself a bed of hay under her hay rack! This is normal Betty behavior so I'm taking it as a good sign.

Off to the vets tonight for a follow up. I've spotted a lump on her side under her elbow :( I'll find out what they say and update in here later, fingers crossed!
 
So we went to the vets this eve. The lump doesn't seem to be causing her any discomfort, it's right on the skin and the vet didn't seem concerned.

I've got a weeks more critical care to give her and have to just see how she goes.

She has been eating a little bit of hay and some of her veggies. I've only managed to get her to have 80ml of critical care today. But she did a tiny wheek for veggies tonight when we were chopping some up, I haven't heard her do that for a while. I'm hoping that she has started to feel comfortable with her new teeth...

Generally though I don't think she is very happy :( She just sits in the corner of the cage, mostly facing the side with her nose almost touching it.

We will see! I'll keep this updated.

Weight today was about 975 so she has lost some :( The last thing I want to happen is for her to just waste away :(
 
Hey there,
I had a VERY similar problem with my ladies, it took them 2 weeks of bumbling around worrying about her teeth when it was in fact her tongue that was the problem.. she couldnt manipulate the food and lost a third of her body weight.

If she continues to have problems but they have ruled out teeth, get them to test the mobility of her tongue. My girl had issues with necrotic tissue building up under and at the back of her tongue, they couldnt have seen this without knocking her out though..

It's very rare so may not be the case, but if the problems persist and they want to give her a GA for an xray or such, make sure they spend some time looking at the tissue around her tongue and throat for inflammation and grey necrostic tissue! I'll try find my previous threads about the problem so you can see me in all my worry wart glory!

I would hate to see you go through what we have!

http://theguineapigforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=97144
http://theguineapigforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=97511
http://theguineapigforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=97828
http://theguineapigforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=98329 (graphic surgery images)
http://theguineapigforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=98552
 
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Thanks that's one really crazy story. Hope your piggy is on the mend now!
Will keep it in mind for Betty.

Betty weighed about 950g tonight.

I can't get her to eat much critical care any more she starts fighting against it after 25mls. Hoping it's because she isn't as hungry because she's eating more on her own now. I've seen her crunch on a carrot like normal, eat her hay, lettuce etc. I don't think her teeth are causing her any pain anymore but she still doesn't have much of an appetite. Not compared to normal.

The worst thing is she is spending pretty much all day sat in the corner, facing the side with her nose almost touching the side. She just looks so sorry for herself. I feel like there must be something else wrong but the vet didn't mention anything else. I can't help thinking maybe this is down to a URI.

However, I've had a very wheezy pig with quite a severe URI who was still active and into his food.

I just don't know what to do :( it's horrible seeing her like this :(
 
Hi all just an update and a small plea for help/advice.

Betty perked up quite a lot a week ago, she was crunching away on carrots, finishing whole bowls of veg, munching on hay etc. and still wolfing down her critical care.

Then over the weekend she just stopped eating. She now doesn't want to move and she is sitting in the same place all day every day. She is so wobbly and she can barely move around she just sort of shuffles.

I took her back to the vet on monday and, because I'd also noticed that she had been sneezing a fair bit and I thought I heard her breath crackling whilst I was feeding her, she was prescribed antibiotics.

She is now on Septrin -0.5ml twice a day.

She weighs under 850gms and is so miserable. She still takes her critical care although not nearly as well as she first did. When I put her back into her cage after a feed I always put her by her veg bowl and she shows an interest in the veg but it's like she can't manouver the food into her mouth. She also trys to eat her hay but just twists her head side to side to try and eat it then gives up.

Can this still be teeth problems?!

I'm not sure if I've already mentioned but she is diabetic, has severe cataracts caused by the diabetes, and she also has a couple of weird lumps on her that the vet wasn't concerned about but I am a bit!

I dont know what to do....

I have made an appt for tomorrow afternoon back at the vets.

Any advise appreciated :)
 
How you describe her moving her head to manouvere the food in her mouth sounds classic dental. However, I am concerned there is something else going on here too. Because she hasn't been eating so well there is every chance her teeth are becoming overgrown again, but I wouldn't advise her going under GA with the other issues you are describing.

Keep us posted with what the vet suggests, and I am still able to offer a temporary place here at the Sanctuary if need be. xx
 
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Hi all just an update and a small plea for help/advice.

Betty perked up quite a lot a week ago, she was crunching away on carrots, finishing whole bowls of veg, munching on hay etc. and still wolfing down her critical care.

Then over the weekend she just stopped eating. She now doesn't want to move and she is sitting in the same place all day every day. She is so wobbly and she can barely move around she just sort of shuffles.

I took her back to the vet on monday and, because I'd also noticed that she had been sneezing a fair bit and I thought I heard her breath crackling whilst I was feeding her, she was prescribed antibiotics.

She is now on Septrin -0.5ml twice a day.

She weighs under 850gms and is so miserable. She still takes her critical care although not nearly as well as she first did. When I put her back into her cage after a feed I always put her by her veg bowl and she shows an interest in the veg but it's like she can't manouver the food into her mouth. She also trys to eat her hay but just twists her head side to side to try and eat it then gives up.

Can this still be teeth problems?!

I'm not sure if I've already mentioned but she is diabetic, has severe cataracts caused by the diabetes, and she also has a couple of weird lumps on her that the vet wasn't concerned about but I am a bit!

I dont know what to do....

I have made an appt for tomorrow afternoon back at the vets.

Any advise appreciated :)

The sneezing, crackling noise is classic URI so you did absolutely right by getting her to a vet for antibiotics. Guineas can stop eating if they are feeling unwell, so although the lack of interest in food could be dental, as Furrryfriends suggests, I think there is also something else going on here.

I hope that the antibiotics will kick in soon and Berty starts to feel better, but in the meantime please keep up the syringe feeding and weigh her daily. It is important that she keeps her weight and strength up should she need to undergo dental work at a later stage.
 
Sadly Betty was put to sleep this afternoon.

I feel like I've failed her a bit but I do think that it was the right decision in the end. She just had no quality of life left and the vet felt that the diabetes was probably the main cause of her ill health.

I'll miss my little betty boop, very sad right now :(
 
Aww i am soo sorry to hear this :(, you have not failed her at all, you have done really well looking after and caring for her. I have just read this whole post and you have done the best anyone could. Lots of hugs sent your way hun :(
 
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