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Guinea pig with congestive heart failure

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5 year old Voldemort has had swollen abdomen and chest for past week or 2. Seems happy enough, normal behaviour, still running around and eating. A trip to the vet diagnosed heart failure and he advised that she will probably die within 2 weeks. No treatment offered.
Voldy is a much loved part of our family. I am wondering if others have experience with heart failure, and if I should be going back to the vet asking for a diuretic. Will this prolong her comfort and life?
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go to another vet. One of mine had heart failure and lasted another 18month with the right meds. he needs meds pronto if he is to improove. I was given frusomide tablets to give him and enerpiril for blood pressure (spelling?)

I'm sure more will be along with more advise
 
I agree, i cant find the thread now but i am positive heart failure doesn't mean the end, its controlable with med's! Good luck xx
 
You definately want frusemide... That's what Dr's give hoomans too if they have heart failure.

There's no reason your little guy couldn't go on for longer with the right meds.
 
Finger's crossed for your little darling. Have you found another vet yet?
 
I just came back from the Dick Vet in Edinburgh, where a session with a top cardiologist and xray will cost £70. Meds will be more, but they are happy to check out referrals or be primary carers. There will be other pet hospitals who can do this too, but you need a cavy savvy vet. Too many vets are too happy to write off guinea pigs as disposable, because they don't treat them every month, never mind every day. Where are you based? We have a thread here which has a list of cavy savvy vets, but it might be just as quick to tell us where you are located and someone will point you in the direction of a good vet.
 
The thing though the meds are dead cheap. With bilbo his meds were £7 a month and 12 every 3rd month for a check up.

Bilbo had other issues going on but there's no reason why your piggie can't have a few more happy years on the right meds!

You also said his stomach was swollen bilbo had that to and it was helped with the frusemide gettin rid of the excess fluids he was carrying.
 
I'm sorry to hear your Volde has a diagnosis of heart disease. I'm more sorry to hear that your vet seems to think his time is so limited and treatment should not be given.

My guinea pig Muffin presented with fluid in the abdomen/under the chin and clearly had heart disease. She wasn;t breathing properly and she had a blue tinge to her ears/lips. Her paws were also swollen. The vets had never seen a heart pig before but I paid for them to do the Xrays etc and also gave them all the info on guinea lynx.
http://www.guinealynx.info/heart.html
They were convinced by the info and agreed to prescribe heart meds. Muffin lived another very happy 12 months on her daily meds before she passed to the Bridge with a completely unconnected bladder stone complication.

There is a big difference between a piggie suffering from heart disease and suffering from heart failure - the latter is a terminal event and unfortunately i think sometimes the word failure is used when really it should be the word disease. You can;t cure heart disease - but you can alleviate the clinical symptoms and give them a few happy extra months/years (which is a long time in piggie years) before the heart finally fails - so you will have to decide whether that is what you want to do for Voldemorte.

Your options are - go back to your existing vet armed with additional info adn demand the (off-license) treatment - or find a more piggy experienced vet who is prepared to prescribe these drugs. If you tell us whereabouts in the country you are we can point you in the direction of a good piggie vet.

The treatment you should be looking for is as follows (once the new vet has probably done an Xray for confirm the diagnosis)

Firstly in the acute phase following diagnosis, you need to reduce Volde's fluid levels quite dramatically given the problems with abdominal swelling - and to do that you will need to give fruseamide diuretic orally at up to 10mg/kg twice daily for the first few days. During this time you will need to be careful that he drinks plenty and doesn;t get dehydrated. Once you have got the fluid levels (oedema/ascites) and breathing under control (if it;s severe this could take 7-10 days) then you can gradually reduce the dose to the normal 2mg/kg twice daily.

You also need to give oral heart meds - fortekor has the best record in guinea pigs - dose is normally 1mg/kg twice daily. Another heart med given in addition or as an alternative is pimobenden (vetmedin). Different vets have different preferences. Over the first few weeks it is trial and error and several vets visits to monitor progress may be needed in order to adjust the dose to suit Volde's condition. (ie you may have to up the dose gradually)

I have another heart pig diagnosed a 5months ago - most vets would probably have given the same prognosis as your current vet....ie 2 weeks. Mr Maggots is now on regular heart meds and is popcorning round his cage. We have ups and down where we have to adjust the dosage of diuretic (often dependent upon hot humid weather) to help his breathing owing to excess fluid accumulation but it is not interfering with his quality of life and I am glad I have such a good vet.

Hope this helps - happy to chat over the phone if you Pm me for my phone number.

x
 
Right sided heart failure can be treated. Please speak to a good cavy savvy vet to get some fluid drained and start the appropriate medications. I hope all goes well with your little one. Do let us know how he gets on.

Sending love.

x
 
I'm sorry to hear your Volde has a diagnosis of heart disease. I'm more sorry to hear that your vet seems to think his time is so limited and treatment should not be given.

My guinea pig Muffin presented with fluid in the abdomen/under the chin and clearly had heart disease. She wasn;t breathing properly and she had a blue tinge to her ears/lips. Her paws were also swollen. The vets had never seen a heart pig before but I paid for them to do the Xrays etc and also gave them all the info on guinea lynx.
http://www.guinealynx.info/heart.html
They were convinced by the info and agreed to prescribe heart meds. Muffin lived another very happy 12 months on her daily meds before she passed to the Bridge with a completely unconnected bladder stone complication.

There is a big difference between a piggie suffering from heart disease and suffering from heart failure - the latter is a terminal event and unfortunately i think sometimes the word failure is used when really it should be the word disease. You can;t cure heart disease - but you can alleviate the clinical symptoms and give them a few happy extra months/years (which is a long time in piggie years) before the heart finally fails - so you will have to decide whether that is what you want to do for Voldemorte.

Your options are - go back to your existing vet armed with additional info adn demand the (off-license) treatment - or find a more piggy experienced vet who is prepared to prescribe these drugs. If you tell us whereabouts in the country you are we can point you in the direction of a good piggie vet.

The treatment you should be looking for is as follows (once the new vet has probably done an Xray for confirm the diagnosis)

Firstly in the acute phase following diagnosis, you need to reduce Volde's fluid levels quite dramatically given the problems with abdominal swelling - and to do that you will need to give fruseamide diuretic orally at up to 10mg/kg twice daily for the first few days. During this time you will need to be careful that he drinks plenty and doesn;t get dehydrated. Once you have got the fluid levels (oedema/ascites) and breathing under control (if it;s severe this could take 7-10 days) then you can gradually reduce the dose to the normal 2mg/kg twice daily.

You also need to give oral heart meds - fortekor has the best record in guinea pigs - dose is normally 1mg/kg twice daily. Another heart med given in addition or as an alternative is pimobenden (vetmedin). Different vets have different preferences. Over the first few weeks it is trial and error and several vets visits to monitor progress may be needed in order to adjust the dose to suit Volde's condition. (ie you may have to up the dose gradually)

I have another heart pig diagnosed a 5months ago - most vets would probably have given the same prognosis as your current vet....ie 2 weeks. Mr Maggots is now on regular heart meds and is popcorning round his cage. We have ups and down where we have to adjust the dosage of diuretic (often dependent upon hot humid weather) to help his breathing owing to excess fluid accumulation but it is not interfering with his quality of life and I am glad I have such a good vet.

Hope this helps - happy to chat over the phone if you Pm me for my phone number.

x

A really useful and helpful post - thank you, Pebble
 
Thanks to all of you. I am in Australia, joined your forum as seemed best choice for advice. I will call vet and see another if necessary to get proper treatment for Voldy. I will keep you posted.
 
You could try Glynis who's also in Australia. I know it's a big country but you never know! I'll pm her for you (as you need 50 posts to be able to do so) and ask her to check out this thread.
 
Hi my vet is cavy savvy if your vet would like to contact him. Brendan carmen 03 9879 0900 I'll just check this is right am on my mobile going from memory!
Please give your darling Volde our love and healing wheeeeks xxxxx

Glynis Velvet and Onyx x

Am happy to chat to you if you like I can give you my mobile 0412380733
 
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Thanks Glynis. I now have frusemide for Voldy, I took along the very useful info posted earlier. I will follow up with my vet and hopefully he will call yours, otherwise I will find a piggie specialist. Voldy seems happy and is running around (a bit slowly) and eating.
I send a big thank you to you all for caring so much x
 
If there's anything i can do to help please just let me know :)
This forum is brilliant, i'm so glad the info you took in was helpful -c


and now let's all cross paws for little Volde

HEALING WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKS FROM US ALL FOR YOU VOLDE XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
 
I have added a photo of Voldy, pictured on the left with Snowy and Caramel. Not the best photo but they are awfully cute! We don't know exact ages, we got Voldy and Caramel in Jan 2008. Caramel is Snowy's mum, and Snowy was a surprise extra, born on Feb 29, 2008. It seems Caramel got married at the pet shop!
Voldy has been on Frusemide now for 3 1/2 days at dose of 2.5mg 2x/day. She is drinking plenty of water and seems to have lost some, but not all, of the excess fluid. She seems very happy and active. We are thinking we could reduce her dose over the next few days, any comments gratefully appreciated.
Thanks for all your good piggie wishes ;)
 
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