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Guinea pig with teeth problems

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Update on Wilfred - we're going to see another guinea pig person today to get some more help with his teeth as he still can't eat, and is continuing to lose weight despite the critical care.

This morning he was making a strange grunting noise with each breath. Half way through his breakfast he had a couging fit which seemed to clear it. Does that sound like he has a cold or something? Wondering if we need to see a vet aswell - although i'm reluctant after being repeatedly charged so much for them to not help in any way.

Also - critical care nearly gone - where can you get it from?
 
You don't need the crtical care, get some burgess pellets from the pet shop[PAH sell them so do others] Elvis loves the blackcurrant ones.Put some hot water on them leave for 20 minutes them mush up and use a 1ml syringe to feed it, it sucks up very easily aim for 30-40 ml three times a day and you will be ok.
Elvis has put weight on being fed on these so they do a good job. a bag will cost you about £5 and will last weeks. He still has to have his teeth done about every 7-10 days though which is a 2 hour round trip for us.

The next time he has his teeth done try to temp him after each feed to each a bit of proper food the teeth grow very quickly and this will slow them down a bit. Once you get into a routine it gets easier. Good luck
 
This morning he was making a strange grunting noise with each breath. Half way through his breakfast he had a couging fit which seemed to clear it. Does that sound like he has a cold or something?

The piggie person you are going to see today, if they are any good, should pick up on any respiratory cause of the grumbly breathing and cough. The thought that comes to my mind is allergy - a few of mine have been suffering the last few days, identical symptoms (aside from the dental problem), the grumbly breathing sometimes cleared by a cough, yet the pigs are otherwise well. If the noisy breathing continues for a while and doesn't clear itself, a one-off dose of Sudafed Expectorant usually helps, 0.2ml for an adult guinea.

Good luck, I hope there is a positive update later.
 
Well, the couple who we went to see were very lovely - they did Wilf's teeth between them and didn't even charge anything. But they were a total mess again, in only 14 days they were growing into his cheeks and his tongue was trapped. It looks like I will HAVE to learn to do this as it needs doing every 7 days and they think I need to file his front teeth every DAY!

So, does anyone have and advice or experience - where is the best place to buy one of these front teeth filers from?
 
The man had made a lot of his own instruments and adapted others. He suggested we ask Vedra - but also said that if you look around you can get them cheaper, but not sure where to start with tooth filing implements.
 
Sorry I didn't see your thread first time round, I'm glad the person you saw today was able to help. I wonder why his teeth would suddenly start growing so quickly (and wrong) when he's been ok up until now though, poor lad.

Vedra does sell some of the instruments and some I think are cheaper to buy from the US.

I do hope little Wilf is able to eat for himself soon. Have you tried grating his veg into small pieces, they are sometimes able to eat fresh food this way. The trouble is, if he's not able to eat things like hay then he won't be wearing his teeth down... if he starts to feel better, and is eating hay again, he might start keeping his teeth down more.

Have you been giving him Metatone tonic (for humans), this is good for piggies that are off their food and seems to perk them up a bit and stimulate their appetite

Good luck

Sophie
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The couple are in Ipswich, Barry and Shirley Yallop.

To be honest I can't imagine learning how to do the proper molar cutting as I couldn't even watch yesterday! I know that sounds wimpy. I think i could just about get my head round filing down his front teeth though, and hope that could be enough to keep him from needing the back ones doing all the time. I did ask them if they'd help me learn to do the front teeth filing though. They said they'd need doing every day which is panicking me a little as i will also need to find someone to do this while we're away etc.
 
Molar cutting is something of a fine art, I've mastered the buccal pad separators and can file incisors, but nothing else yet!

If you're ever in a fix about someone to leave him with while you're away, I know Vedra does holiday boarding and I'm happy to mind him here and keep up with his teeth/syringe-feeding - although Vedra/I may be a bit far. Maybe worth asking Barry and Shirley if they would look after him when you need to go away?

Cheapest place I know of to buy the dental rasps are from Vedra herself, each rasp is around £10-£15.
 
The couple are in Ipswich, Barry and Shirley Yallop.

To be honest I can't imagine learning how to do the proper molar cutting as I couldn't even watch yesterday! I know that sounds wimpy. I think i could just about get my head round filing down his front teeth though, and hope that could be enough to keep him from needing the back ones doing all the time. I did ask them if they'd help me learn to do the front teeth filing though. They said they'd need doing every day which is panicking me a little as i will also need to find someone to do this while we're away etc.

I'm fairly new and haven't heard of them. How did you get in contact/discover they could do teeth?

Daily incisor trim sounds a bit radical, not to say problematic.
 
I can't see the insisors being done everyday! Elvis has his done when we go every 7-10 days its not just a case of filing either they need a step in them so they fit properly.

Doing teeth properly is something that takes years to learn it not just looking, its touch and knowing whats right and each pig is different.
 
Yes they were recommended by vedra and also by paul loveday.

oh dear about the daily filing being drastic. It's not something i'm relishing at all and if there is any alternative i'd take it atm!
 
I've just fed him his tea - and he's not using his incisors at all, he takes in teh food and kind of sucks it, his teeth are nowhere near touching. He's also drooling more than ever and his neck skin is bright red and puffy. I gave him a wash yesterday in just warm water to try and clean him up a bit, but it's looking worse than ever, really angry looking.

It seems like we're going from bad to worse with Wilf now. I don't know what to do for the best. The woman yesterday filed his teeth according to her little measurements of what top and bottom should be, but he's not even meeting his teeth together so how would you KNOW how far they needed doing? It's making us all really stressed now as it feels like we're failing him.

When i put him back in his cage he rushes over to his big fat healthy brother and just leans on him. 8...
 
Would you be able to talk on the phone to someone who excels in guinea pig dentistry? He's based in the Birmingham area, even if you can't travel to him it's worth asking his advice. I know you can't PM at the moment, if you email me on [email protected] then I'll pass on the details through there.
 
Yes they were recommended by vedra and also by paul loveday.

oh dear about the daily filing being drastic. It's not something i'm relishing at all and if there is any alternative i'd take it atm!

I feel awful - the last thing you need is us all jumping up and down saying we all think what you've been told is a bit scary.

If Vedra recommended them, you'll be getting good advice. I just can't imagine what must be going on in your little chap's mouth.

When guineas go wrong, they certainly take some fixing.

We need more specialists!
 
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I do worry about all this so called 'experts' who claim to be able to do dental work on piggies. There are some excellent ones out there, like the one Laura mentions, but I am very concerned about others.

My original offer to you still stands although I can see why you could only consider it as a last resort. I am also willing to take your piggie on a short term basis and get my vet, who is excellent at dental work, to take a look. The only problem with this is that he could start to get things under control but most dental problems need lifelong treatment and you would need someone equally experienced to continue it.
 
Furryfriends, thank you. Although we don't want to part with him I am really becoming more convinced that your offer would be what's best for him because we don't seem to be doing a very good job and it's awful seeing him continue to decline. He's such a beauty and we don't want him to die from this. One of the things I worry about is how he'd cope separated from his brother when they're so close but I suppose that's still better than him staying with his brother but us not getting on top of this tooth problem and him get really poorly.

Would it be possible to contact you off board about this?

I can't pm and not sure about putting my email on here.
 
Furryfriends, thank you. Although we don't want to part with him I am really becoming more convinced that your offer would be what's best for him because we don't seem to be doing a very good job and it's awful seeing him continue to decline. He's such a beauty and we don't want him to die from this. One of the things I worry about is how he'd cope separated from his brother when they're so close but I suppose that's still better than him staying with his brother but us not getting on top of this tooth problem and him get really poorly.

Would it be possible to contact you off board about this?

I can't pm and not sure about putting my email on here.

This does sound like a good option at the moment. I live in the same town as Debbie (am now just around the corner!) and when Garry first had his teeth problems and his weight really dropped to about 575g, I was plodding on with my own vet and their so called 'exotics expert'. After two treatments under general anaesthetic, the vet told me to seriously consider having Garry put to sleep as his quality of life would never be any good if we had to keep doing his teeth like that. Then, I took Debbie's advice to go and see her vet Simon. Not only did Simon diagnose another condition in Garry that the other vet had missed completely, but in only 3 months, and with only a handful of visits, Garry's teeth are now at least working for him. He's also had to overcome an abscess in that time and a poorly bum, so had his work cut out!

Simon doesn't use anaesthetic unless it is a very extreme case. When Garry first saw him, Simon said his teeth had begun to grow over his tongue again. He was literally 'out the back' with Simon for 5 minutes while Simon filed the teeth down. That was repeated every 10-14 days for a while.

Garry was very close to dying when I first started going to see Simon and the change around has been amazing. He has had to teach himself how to eat again and spent a while eating mashed up pellets/oats/Science Recovery. He then moved onto some finely chopped veg/softened veg and now he is eating his oat porridge still, along with some softened nuggets. He has the odd bit of Science Recovery but most important of all, he is now eating veg for himself, munching on salad leaves and even carrot! It is great to see. He does need his front teeth looking at, but now only once every 2-3 weeks. Because he is trying to eat for himself, there is minimal work required on his other teeth.

Basically, what I think I am trying to say is that it might be an idea to let Simon have a look at your piggy. Maybe in the meantime, without the stress of having to give constant care for a while, you might be able to source a proper piggy vet in your area?:)
 
Everyone is so kind. I have met these piggies, before Wilf was ill, as I was asked to double check the sex of them when they started getting humpy! :))

Unfortunately decent piggy vets in this area are like gold dust, which is why I march mine over to CCT if it's anything other than requiring Baytril. A 4 hour round trip, but worth it. Although obviously not viable in this case due to the frequency of the treatment required. Apart from the people in Ipswich, I don't know anyone else who can do decent dental work :(

Sophie
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I told you Wilf and Morris are close :))

Yes having seen vet, Vedra and then the couple in Ipswich and spoken to the one in Woodbridge (paul loveday) i feel like i've exhausted local options. If i thought that getting a file and doing it myself was the answer I would but I'm not confident in what I'm doing - and Vedra said next course isnt' for another couple of months which is too long away.

It's the fact that he's even more dro o oly after his latest dental work and his mouth is open all the time which is making me worry that this last lot of work hasn't done the trick.

How long can you give the nurofen and the daktarin for? I keep stopping and starting but don't want to overload his system as it can't be doing him much good.

Thanks for all your advice on this.

I'm really glad to hear Garry's story and that he's doing so well despite all his problems.
 
A solid three week course of Daktarin usually clears up an oral fungal infection, no breaks as it'll just creep back in and you'll have to start over again. Nurofen - play it by ear, if you think he's in pain then dose accordingly.

I'm also aware of overloading/giving meds unnecessarily, I do understand that concern. All I can say is that I don't advise what I wouldn't do for my own pigs.

The dribbling/drooling is first and foremost associated with molar trouble, although it can be a symptom of other problems.

Did you manage to get hold of Paul (number I emailed you)?
 
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