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Hay fever; Respiratory infections.

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In the last 7-10 days, or so, there has been a noticeable increase in the number of posts about pigs that are suffering from a "respiratory infection."
Hay fever can have symptoms that are very similar to those of respiratory infections. It may be worth keeping this fact in mind.
 
Definitely - took me far longer than I want to admit to, to realise that my chronic respiratory piggy suffers from hayfever!

Worth bearing in mind, especially if the symptoms seem to come and go (particularly bad first thing in the morning etc).
 
Definitely worth keeping this in mind - but as always, be sure to get an examination from a rodentologist or guinea-pig-experienced vet! Also weigh the medical facts up with the environmental situation - if something seems logical (e.g. sneezing when given fresh hay/sneezing after being exposed to cold draughts), it probably is.
 
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Yes - I think it's always right to assume a possible infection first and get the piggy checked out by a vet, but just to be aware of the possibility of hayfever.

It's not something I'd ever seen discussed, so I only figured it out when I realised that Sukie suffers on exactly the same days that I do!
 
P this assumes that, if it is hay fever that it is diagnosed correctly and the pig isn't given Baytril, "just in case, to be on the safe side"!
 
Yeah I know, always a danger. :( I think, in fairness to vets, it's really up to owners to observe the piggies well and give the vet lots of information - eg. whether the symptoms are consistent, when they started etc etc. Better to have antibiotics unnecessarily than lose the piggy to a URI though, I guess.

I've been trying out a few vets lately (still trying to find a good 'un), and one of them looked at me like I was insane when I said Sukie suffered from hayfever! I think she took it literally to mean I was saying she was allergic to her hay, when I of course meant pollen, as in human hayfever.
 
you are deffo right - our Charlie has had respiratory infection symptoms for over a year now and has been treated several times and then last weekend I took him to the vets again, but she said he was fine and it got me thinking whether hay fever could be the problem. several of the others have started sneezing too, so it is deffo worth keeping an eye on them.
 
My piggie sneezes when you give her fresh hay, and also when she gets nervous. She is well and healthy in every other respect. I was told by a friend who is a veterinary nurse at the PDSA that it's normal for GP's to sneeze sometimes. Should I get her vet checked anyway?
 
I wish I could find something better, but at the moment all I've found that helps a bit is Bisolvon, for the congestion. It doesn't stop the sneezing and generally feeling miserable though.

I'm very much open to suggestions, if anyone has any. :) I'm nervous about using vaseline in the nose, as the nostrils are so small, and I worry about blocking the nose up even more. :{
 
Bisolvon, small amount of powder by mouth,
Sudafed decongestant, 0.2ml by mouth,
Olbas Oil, let the pig sniff the fumes from the bottle.

(Vick on the end of the nose is messy, greasy and the pig can't get away from it.
Vaseline? I presume this is to "catch the pollen"? )
I would not use either of the last two on my pigs.
 
Ah yes, I forgot to say, I have used Olbas oil with some success too. Again, just for the congestion, it obviously doesn't help with the cause of the allergy. I've used a couple of drops on a piece of tissue, fixed high up in the cage, so the vapours are breathed, but the piggies can't get at the tissue. They absolutely hate it, and it does need topping up regularly, but it is a good non-drug alternative.

I don't think Sudafed can be mixed with Bisolvon, so it's an either/or.

I just wish I could give her something like I take - ie anti-histamines to try to prevent the allergy in the first place. I was reading yesterday about quercetin for human hayfever, but no idea if it is safe for animals. Not that I would go trying these random things on my piggies - I'd just be interested.
 
You know it might be worth doing this as a sticky note!

We could have the differences pointed out, if our lovely AP would do this? x)xx>>>
Seen as humans suffer from this there's no reason why our little ones wont either........i had one boy who if i had too much hay with dust in it would sneeze away like crazy :redmallethead I now buy better hay and it's fresh.

I'll send a pm to a mod and see what they say but i do think this type of information could be so handy to so many of us, thanks Alcesterpigs xx>>>xx>>>
 
"Lovely AP"?
I like the Australian sense of humour.
I have mentioned sticky threads to one or two other "posters" by pm. I do feel that a lot of these normal threads waste time.(Read on before you shoot me down, I don't mean Glynis!)
How many times do so many of us post the recommended dose for Baytril or the treatment for cystitis, etc? I read the contributions on the health thread but often find I have to wade through a lot of repetition just looking for something new.
I think there should be sticky threads for the common illnesses, and drug doses. This would benefit those who ask the questions and it would stop the constant repetition of answers. The time saved could then be used, in the normal thread division, for discussion of a particular case.
I also think the "service" provided could be improved tremendously by the use of Skype. The ability to see, for example, a lump would stop the "It is a large lump", "How large is large?" dialogue that is in use at the moment. The technology exists, let's use it. In fact, I did suggest Skype on the "Iris" thread but there was no response, maybe it would have been better on a new titled thread, as I suggested.
 
I like the idea but not all of us have Skype or anything similar. Many of us are also on different time zones. It could work great for some, but some would also be excluded. Could work as an addition, not sure how it would be moderated though. The administrators are ultimately responsible for all the advice given out (what they allow to be posted) hence the use of moderators, how would this be possible if you incorporated or associated a Skype "clinic" into the forum?

I do think a sticky of the correct dosages and medications for the most common ailments would be a great idea.
 
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You were saying earlier, Sarah, about wishing there was something for piggies to alleviate hayfever symptoms?

Not sure if you get the Gorgeous Guineas Newsletter, but here you go! Homeopet Nose Relief!
http://www.vetuk.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=814

I have posted the section of the newsletter for those who are not subscribed to it.

The following is copyright of Gorgeous Guineas:

"Seasonal Snuffles

Guinea pigs can get respiratory problems at any time of the year, but during spring and summer this may not necessarily be due to an infection. The hayfever season can start as early as February for tree pollen, and from May to September for grass pollen. Hayfever is an allergic reaction to pollen which causes inflammation and irritation to the lining of the eyes, nose and throat.

For any form of respiratory problem it is important to take your guinea to the Vet for a diagnosis sooner rather than later. Symptoms can include:

a snuffly nose
discharge from the nose
sneezing
wheezing
coughing
runny eyes
Bacterial infections are easily treated with antibiotics, but if left, they can turn into pneumonia and be fatal. Where there is mucous in evidence, Bisolvon is often prescribed as well. Systemic fungal infections can cause lung problems and the guinea may wheeze, hence the importance of getting a proper diagnosis so that you know what is going on as well as being prescribed the appropriate drugs.
Guineas do naturally sneeze at times, so it is important that you spend time watching them every day so that you get to know what "normal" behaviour is for each of them.


Hayfever symptoms can overlap with those mentioned above and may include:

watery / red eyes
frequent sneezing, often when bedding has been changed, or new / different hay used
runny / dripping nose
Symptoms can be worse first thing in the morning due to the pollen rising. On on days when the pollen count is high, symptoms can be worse and improve when the count falls again.

Where bacterial, fungal and viral infections have been ruled out, the problem could be allergy related. If this is the case, there is a safe and effective homeopathic remedy available - Homeopet Nose Relief. We are always looking for products that can be safely used on guinea pigs and never recommend anything without taking it for a thorough test-drive, so you heard it here first!

Homeopet Nose Relief is described as "a homeopathic remedy used to provide temporary relief from upper respiratory problems including sinus infection and inflammation characterized by red, wet eyes, and nasal drip."

Nose Relief be used 3 times a day when the problem first starts - morning, afternoon and bedtime. A piggy dose is 5 drops directly into the mouth (it comes in a dropper bottle). When the symptoms improve, reduce the dose to twice a day, then once a day and discontinue when symptoms are no longer present. Improvements can usually be seen within a day or two and this product has helped a number of guineas with allergies and snuffles that have not been due to infection. Often using Nose Relief for just a few days will do the trick.

Environmental issues can also cause respiratory problems, especially where dusty hay and / or bedding is being used. Simple changes can be made which could include using Dust Free Hay and flax bedding (Jopack or Equisorb, both types of horse bedding). More information about bedding can be found here. Sometimes you have to work out by process of elimination what is causing your guineas' respiratory problems, and changing the bedding / hay is the first place to start."

© Gorgeous Guineas 2009
 
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CCC4 People without computers are already excluded from the forum, so those without Skype are no different. At least they can access the forum. Time zones are not a problem. "Global village" etc!
I suspect that most responses have been read by the viewing public before the moderators get to see them.
To communicate by Skype is no differenrt from a pm, which the moderators do not get to read.
I find, as I have already said, and so do you from what I read, that it is time wasting and annoying to keep listing the doses for common drugs. Even more so when others do so one after the other!
The same reasoning applies to common ailments.
Comments on a postcard....
 
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Thanks for thinking of me, Laura. :) Yes, I got the Gorgeous Guineas newsletter today and did a happy dance when I saw the title! :)) I'm going to try the stuff, and obviously report back.
 
Hi, I have also had success adding liquid enchinea to the water to help boost the immune sytem. This worked well in my hay fever bun and my bridge piggie who was allergic to everything.
 
A few of my pigs have been very raspy in their breathing the last few days. The worst was Bree - previously unaffected - but with very raspy, rumbly breathing. On listening to the chest, it sounds mucus-y on one side. Exactly like when humans have mucus-y, raspy breathing. The other side was clear, as were her eyes and nose, steady weight etc. No other symptoms so I assumed hayfever. I tried leaving her to clear it herself but she couldn't quite clear the "chestiness". A one-off dose of Sudafed cleared her up straight away and no issues since.

I only treated as for hayfever knowing the signs though, given that I've had a few pigs with identical breathing sounds. If it had persisted to that degree she'd have been straight down to the CCT!
 
Just to update, so far this season Sukie has been OK, as have I (we tend to suffer at the same time), so haven't had to try the Nose Relief yet. I am going on holiday next weekend though, and have a bad feeling she will become ill when exposed to a different environment where she is being boarded at. I will send her with Bisolvon, but don't want to leave my parents trying out the Nose Relief for the first time!
 
If a young indoor pig is eating, looking perky, pooing etc as usual but is sneezing and wheezing, is it more likely to be hayfever than a serious resp infection? I'm kind of becoming a worrypot about it:red She sees the vet soon so well know more
PS got her 2 weeks ago from Pets at Home
 
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Just read that probiotics are advised to use with antibios...are these just regular human acidophilus types? (got some in the fridge if so)
 
Plain acidophilus is ok, or you can ask the vet for an animal probiotic like Bio-Lapis (for rabbits) or Avipro Plus. You can also buy Pro-C Probiotic from Pets at Home.
 
I can't guess whether Africa is wheezing or not but his breathing doesn't seem normal. He's becoming a little more plasid then usually and again *** it's happening around Leos death I don't know if it's normal or not, his heart rate is normal, but when he breaths i can hear it. Is that normal?
 
Make a note of when he is at his worst. List:

- date
- time
- how long since you put in fresh bedding
- how long since you topped up the hay

Also consider the pollen count (if it's summer), and if it's winter think about whether you have your central heating on when Africa has his worst symptoms. The dry air caused by central heating does seem to get to some pigs; a humidifier or a wet towel on the radiators helps if this is the case. Rule out the chances of any air fresheners etc. being used in the area where he lives.

If you can build up a record of exactly when he exhibits these symptoms and what the environment is like, you'll be better able to decide if it's likely to be an allergy or symptoms of an underlying health problem.
 
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