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Hello :)

We are new to the forum, after bringing our two baby boars home on Friday. They are both approx 11 weeks old and are shop bought. There are a few things I wanted to run by all you guinea experts that we are doing the right thing and drawing the right conclusions. I'll start at the top.

We have them in a shop cage which has only ever been a temporary setting whilst we wait for the C&C stuff to arrive (coming on Weds, more on this later), which our friend who has had piggies a long time would be okay. There were four baby boars within the group in the shop. On watching them both the boys we picked didn't seem dominant, there was another boy being more bolshy (we had seen these boys on a few occasions whilst making the decision to bring them home).

We got them home and settled. Although we had watched many a YouTube video on cage set ups etc we had not read about the two of everything (bowl, hay rack etc) and the two exit out houses. My bad. Poor research.

The boys were initially very shy on the first night and just left them to it. Once they gained some more confidence they began exploring the cage, and yesterday Miguel was popcorning around. This seemed to wind up Tulio and he started rumblestrutting. Since this they have been annoying eachother, and although there is a house for each, if Miguel goes into Tulios hidey he will rumblestrutt again, and this morning they had a bit of a tussle in one of the houses. No squeals but Miguel is always withdrawing away. This is only occasionally. They are less shy and will come out of their houses and eat whilst we are in the room watching TV/listening to the radio, it's not constant.

Now, I'm hoping this is the two boys trying to establish the dominance between them having since been split from their buddies in the store who were more dominant. Also annoying eachother because they need more space. I know boys get a stroppy age but thought these guys were a little young for it. I am building a 3×4 C&C cage for them, will have two of everything and bought even more fleece and bits of wood to make some fleece forests to combat the two exit problem.

I just want some reassurance that we are doing the right thing and thinking the right way. I appreciate that we should have built the bigger cage first, but there was a problem with shipping.

If we are squeeing up the wrong tree please also give us advice. We have read all the sticky threads on boar aggression, how to split a fight and when a fight gets serious. We have towels on hand. Just when I hear them tussle, although no squeaking, it breaks my heart!

So yes, please help! You wonderful people!
 
Hi and welcome!

What you are experiencing is the normal dominance phase as your boys establish their own group in the territory they are now settling into. It is inevitable with any new guinea pigs of either gender, whether both are new or you introduce some to a group. The behaviours you are reporting are in the mild range and apply to both genders.
Illustrated Bonding / Dominance Behaviours And Dynamics

Make sure that you have got two of each and if necessary have got only hideys with two exits, especially once your boys hit the teenage months. When you move them to their new territory, do so with either soiled bedding or by wiping the whole cage with some used bedding to give the right "whiff" in order to minimise any renewal of dominance. Don't clean any hideys etc. so they have their familiar scents with them to tell them that this is their territory. As long as they are below the teenage hormones, any move should go relatively well.

You can find more tips via this link here: New Owners' " How To" Starter Kit
 
Thank you Wiebke :yahoo:

All going well and everything arriving, I will move them in on Wednesday. The hidey's in there atm don't have two exits, I read somewhere on here there is a post on how to cut them?

My plan was to not wash any fleece i change before now and then and use it in the new hutch, replacing the hidey's with fleece forest made out of the old bedding. Good idea or no?
 
Thank you Wiebke :yahoo:

All going well and everything arriving, I will move them in on Wednesday. The hidey's in there atm don't have two exits, I read somewhere on here there is a post on how to cut them?

My plan was to not wash any fleece i change before now and then and use it in the new hutch, replacing the hidey's with fleece forest made out of the old bedding. Good idea or no?

What kind of hideys are you using at the moment?
Even a cardboard box with two opposing exits or a children's stool or two can be used, especially during bonding or when the hormones are on the rampage.
 
So at the moment they have two pigloo type things. I didn't know if it was worth changing these ASAP to shoe box type things with two exits if we are moving them on Wednesday, I didn't want to add more stress to the situation before the move.

I suppose it would minimise the risk of fights though which would be in the piggies best interests!
 
So at the moment they have two pigloo type things. I didn't know if it was worth changing these ASAP to shoe box type things with two exits if we are moving them on Wednesday, I didn't want to add more stress to the situation before the move.

I suppose it would minimise the risk of fights though which would be in the piggies best interests!

You can change them on Wednesday. Your boys are not yet fighting.
 
Okay, thanks. I will wait and watch (I have all of tomorrow off). If I hear serious fights instead of scuffles, I will change the houses to boxes I guess. Thank you so much for your help. I will post an update on how the build and the move goes, wish me luck! :coat:
 
Update - came home from being out today and one of the houses is over turned, worried that they have been fighting. Could this have happened from general tom foolery?
 
absolutely. my dudes muck around with their hideys all the time, they always seem to enjoy hiding them instead of inside them. unless there is other evidence of a scuffle, youre likely a-ok!

love their names by the way... TRTED was a great movie!
 
absolutely. my dudes muck around with their hideys all the time, they always seem to enjoy hiding them instead of inside them. unless there is other evidence of a scuffle, youre likely a-ok!

love their names by the way... TRTED was a great movie!
Thanks @timmypiggy ! We love it too, although the receptionist at the vets laughed when I called to register them :(

I ended up switching the houses out as they really had minimal space and the dominance behaviour took a step up and wanted them to be able to get away from eachother.

They're so funny, Tulio is grumpy and rumble strutts about, Miguel is happily zooming or giving his head a good hump. There hasn't been any teeth chattering yet and the zoomies strutts and humps aren't constant. Miguel hasn't rumbled even once, so I have no idea who's trying for top pig :lol!:

They move into their much bigger cage tomorrow, can't wait! Just made them some hay bags too lol I'm obsessed.
 
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