Help! New To Guinea Pigs And Need Advice On Bonding!

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Hello everyone! My name is Jessica and I have been a lifelong owner of rodents, specifically hamsters and gerbils! Recently we got the opportunity to rescue a guinea pig that was born with a severe ear infection and despite treatment, now has a permanent tilt to his head. He is a healthy guy and will live a long happy life, just has a slight tilt to his head, which is why we named him TILT! So after having Tilt for a little over a week, he has been doing absolutely great! We were told about another opportunity to rescue another guinea pig with the exact same problem and we couldn't resist! So this one has the exact same slight tilt to his head, therefore we named him TWIZTER!

Here's the problem/question I have since I don't know a lot about Guineas.....

We brought Twizter home and slowly introduced him to Tilt. We put them together in the large play pen we have for them and kept them separated by a wire fencing that way they could see and smell each other before actually getting to be introduced. They were doing fine like this, they were smelling each other and making little noises. Well we decided to remove the fencing and they seemed to be doing okay at first. They were making the small chirping noises that they normally make when they're walking around and smelling each other, sniffing each others butts. As the time went on, Tilt began trying to mount and nudge Twizter a lot more and Twizter was doing okay and sort of nudging him back. All of a sudden Twizter sort of hunched his back and sort of puffed his back out and began loudly chattering at Tilt and tilt sort of became submissive and didn't really move that much after this. Twizter then got very close to Tilt and started chattering very loudly and Tilt backed away and began making soft, screeching noises that i've never heard him do. I interfered and grabbed Tilt out of there and held him for a few minutes as he was shaking in my hands and was still making these noises. Once he calmed down, I placed him back into the play pen and waited to see what happened. Basically, the same thing happened again and Twizter was going after Tilt in the form of chattering and getting very close to him. He never lunged or bit him ever, and I have watched videos of the guinea pigs fighting and neither one of them got up on their hind legs or leaped at one another. They never got into that "furball whirlwind" videos talk about either.

I just don't know if this is normal behavior for two new guinea pigs to display when meeting for the first time or if this is a indication that they will not do well together and we need to keep them seperate?

If anyone is able to help or give some advice, it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks so much!
 
Well done for rescuing two sick guinea pigs👍 and welcome to the forum. With the head tilt are you sure they are both full cleared up if the heads are still slightly tilted on both guinea pigs? I'm not sure but guinea pigs being sick still ( if they are) can affect bonding i think?

How big is the area they are going to share?

I think you need to wait longer bonding them, if you are splitting them apart again, it could fail the bond. I will tag in a bonding expert to better help you on this. @Wiebke
 
@NewToGuineas2132 Pigs are hierarchical animals so they are deciding who is boss. You need to leave them together to sort it out.

A failed bond doesn't always have to result in bloodshed or a fighting furball. If one is very unhappy then I give up trying.

But if you do so you need to have something in place to try next. Do you have space for more pigs? Would you rehome one/both?

Skypip makes a good point. Are you sure they're both 100% healthy as that can affect a bond. Head tilt can be permanent and a pig be healthy with it (I have a head tilt boy) but having a vet check up would be a good idea if they came from unknown backgrounds.
 
Please make sure that you read the introduction and bonding guides linked here. You need to fully understand what you are witnessing before you decide whether to try a further introduction.
Bonding and Interaction: Illustrated social behaviours and bonding dynamics
Introducing And Re-introducing Guinea Pigs
Boars: A guide to successful companionship.
Boars: Teenage, Bullying, Fighting, Fall-outs And What Next?

With boars you cannot keep introducing and separating. You have to have the time space and patience to see the bonding through to the end, whether that is a success or failure. So you have to be sure that it is a failure before you separate.
 
@NewToGuineas2132 Pigs are hierarchical animals so they are deciding who is boss. You need to leave them together to sort it out.

A failed bond doesn't always have to result in bloodshed or a fighting furball. If one is very unhappy then I give up trying.

But if you do so you need to have something in place to try next. Do you have space for more pigs? Would you rehome one/both?

Skypip makes a good point. Are you sure they're both 100% healthy as that can affect a bond. Head tilt can be permanent and a pig be healthy with it (I have a head tilt boy) but having a vet check up would be a good idea if they came from unknown backgrounds.
Didnt know head tilt can be permanent 👍
 
Hello everyone! My name is Jessica and I have been a lifelong owner of rodents, specifically hamsters and gerbils! Recently we got the opportunity to rescue a guinea pig that was born with a severe ear infection and despite treatment, now has a permanent tilt to his head. He is a healthy guy and will live a long happy life, just has a slight tilt to his head, which is why we named him TILT! So after having Tilt for a little over a week, he has been doing absolutely great! We were told about another opportunity to rescue another guinea pig with the exact same problem and we couldn't resist! So this one has the exact same slight tilt to his head, therefore we named him TWIZTER!

Here's the problem/question I have since I don't know a lot about Guineas.....

We brought Twizter home and slowly introduced him to Tilt. We put them together in the large play pen we have for them and kept them separated by a wire fencing that way they could see and smell each other before actually getting to be introduced. They were doing fine like this, they were smelling each other and making little noises. Well we decided to remove the fencing and they seemed to be doing okay at first. They were making the small chirping noises that they normally make when they're walking around and smelling each other, sniffing each others butts. As the time went on, Tilt began trying to mount and nudge Twizter a lot more and Twizter was doing okay and sort of nudging him back. All of a sudden Twizter sort of hunched his back and sort of puffed his back out and began loudly chattering at Tilt and tilt sort of became submissive and didn't really move that much after this. Twizter then got very close to Tilt and started chattering very loudly and Tilt backed away and began making soft, screeching noises that i've never heard him do. I interfered and grabbed Tilt out of there and held him for a few minutes as he was shaking in my hands and was still making these noises. Once he calmed down, I placed him back into the play pen and waited to see what happened. Basically, the same thing happened again and Twizter was going after Tilt in the form of chattering and getting very close to him. He never lunged or bit him ever, and I have watched videos of the guinea pigs fighting and neither one of them got up on their hind legs or leaped at one another. They never got into that "furball whirlwind" videos talk about either.

I just don't know if this is normal behavior for two new guinea pigs to display when meeting for the first time or if this is a indication that they will not do well together and we need to keep them seperate?

If anyone is able to help or give some advice, it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks so much!

Hi and welcome!

Great that you want to give

Please take the time to read through our comprehensive bonding and social behaviour guide to understand and judge what it is going on. Establishing a working hierarchical group, which is at the core of guinea pig social life, is a much more complex process than most people would assume. Bonding goes through defined stages, from acceptance, establishing leadership through establishing and reinforcing a functional hierarchy. The whole process can take several weeks until it is fully settled; the post-bonding dominance phase is on average lasting around two weeks. It also explains at each stage of the bonding process what the signs of failure at this stage are.
Please be aware that you cannot introduce boars in short sessions. Each time you completely abort the whole bonding process and force your boys to restart from scratch and never get further.
Bonding and Interaction: Illustrated social behaviours and bonding dynamics

Please do not interfere if at all possible unless there are signs of fighting. Follow the tips in the guide and make sure that your cage/hutch is large enough; that you have only hideys with two exits and now dead corners a piggy can be backed into. Also have everything in twos.

Sadly a permanent head tilt can result if an ear infection is not treated very promptly (or at all), and parts of the inner ear are permanently damaged.

You may find our new owners guide collection helpful as it specifically addresses all the questions and concerns we get the most from new owners in addition to some very useful information that will help you to head off or minimine preventable problems down the line and make sure that your piggies are as healthy, long-lived and well cared for as possible. We have made our guides as practical, step-by-step and comprehensive as possible. Getting Started - New Owners' Most Helpful Guides

Please take the time to read our information so you can judge better what is going on and whether your boys are going to make a pair. they do not have to fight for a bonding to fail. Please be aware that guinea pigs are a ground roaming species that needs as much space as possible.

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Didnt know head tilt can be permanent 👍

My TEAS foster pig Nigel has a permanent head tilt which I believe he was born with.

It can also be a consequence of an untreated or really bad URI.
 

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Head tilts can also be the result of blindness (you can often see them in lethals but also in other piggies with normal looking eyes); there is a range of issues that can cause them. But if a piggy has had a bad ear infection, then the head tilt is clearly the result of that.
Thankfully guinea pigs with a head tilt just get on with enjoying a normal life as much as any other piggies... :)
 
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