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Until recurrently we had a pair of 3.5 year old bonded sows that came from a rescue. The dominant sow had a medial issue and ended up passing unfortunately.

We adopted a 3 year old single sow from a local humane society and had her quarantine in her own enclosure in the same room as the newly single sow for 1 week. 3 days ago we initiated the bonding by putting them in a neutral space and large floor enclosure. All seemed to be going well until about 2-3 hours into bonding a fight broke out. It was quick 10-15 seconds and they ended it on their own. Upon inspection there didn't seem to be any blood drawn. It seems that our existing previously non-dominate sow was the 'winner' and things seemed to settle down for the remainder of the day with some rumble strutting and mounting. No more face offs or gesturing.
At the end of the second day in the neutral enclosure we moved them into the freshly sanitized 'new' normal enclosure. Since then, 2 days have passed, the dominant sow has been rumble strutting, chasing, mounting, and the occasional teeth chattering towards the newly adopted pig. This is occurring what seems to be for 3ish minutes every 30-60 minutes. Is that normal?

The other thing I have been curious about is the newly adopted presumably submissive sow is occasionally trying to mount the dominant sow and sometimes doing actions that look like they're trying to be dominant. Is that cause for concern? While there have not been anymore signs of leading towards a fight, it does feel like 'bullying' and I am not comfortable putting in single access hides yet.

Long story short: It is common to see the non-dominant pig showing some signs of dominance? How long should we expect to see this behavior from both pigs? They sure don't seem like they're getting along, but this is my first time doing anything like this so I am trying to remove my human feelings as much as possible.
 
Until recurrently we had a pair of 3.5 year old bonded sows that came from a rescue. The dominant sow had a medial issue and ended up passing unfortunately.

We adopted a 3 year old single sow from a local humane society and had her quarantine in her own enclosure in the same room as the newly single sow for 1 week. 3 days ago we initiated the bonding by putting them in a neutral space and large floor enclosure. All seemed to be going well until about 2-3 hours into bonding a fight broke out. It was quick 10-15 seconds and they ended it on their own. Upon inspection there didn't seem to be any blood drawn. It seems that our existing previously non-dominate sow was the 'winner' and things seemed to settle down for the remainder of the day with some rumble strutting and mounting. No more face offs or gesturing.
At the end of the second day in the neutral enclosure we moved them into the freshly sanitized 'new' normal enclosure. Since then, 2 days have passed, the dominant sow has been rumble strutting, chasing, mounting, and the occasional teeth chattering towards the newly adopted pig. This is occurring what seems to be for 3ish minutes every 30-60 minutes. Is that normal?

The other thing I have been curious about is the newly adopted presumably submissive sow is occasionally trying to mount the dominant sow and sometimes doing actions that look like they're trying to be dominant. Is that cause for concern? While there have not been anymore signs of leading towards a fight, it does feel like 'bullying' and I am not comfortable putting in single access hides yet.

Long story short: It is common to see the non-dominant pig showing some signs of dominance? How long should we expect to see this behavior from both pigs? They sure don't seem like they're getting along, but this is my first time doing anything like this so I am trying to remove my human feelings as much as possible.

Hi and welcome

Is the mounting from the undersow happening only today or is it steady?

Sows: Behaviour and Female Health Problems (including mounting and ovarian cysts)
 
Is the mounting from the undersow happening only today or is it steady?
It's been steady at least since they've been put back into the new normal enclosure. Maybe before, but it wasn't as common.

I haven't seen the dominant sow mount the undersow in awhile now that I'm thinking about it, just rumble at her and chase/push her around.
 
It's been steady at least since they've been put back into the new normal enclosure. Maybe before, but it wasn't as common.

I haven't seen the dominant sow mount the undersow in awhile now that I'm thinking about it, just rumble at her and chase/push her around.

I wonder whether acceptance has happened but it sounds like the leadership is still contested and got stuck. If they cannot resolve that then the bonding has failed.

Could you take a little video, upload on a public setting on youtube and then it copy across so I can read the body language?

Our forum is not part of social media and we are running solely on voluntary member donations and do this all for free in our own free time. A video upload would cost us a lot more money.
 
I appreciate your help. That is my biggest struggle and fear at the moment. I am not sure what is normal and I don't have any resources to ask.

Thankfully I have setup a camera that records them so I can review without hovering over them. Here is a clip from this morning.


The mostly white bigger one is the existing pig, also who I believe to be the current dominate one. She is the one doing all the rumbling in the video. The one with the brown side spot is the new piggie.
 
I appreciate your help. That is my biggest struggle and fear at the moment. I am not sure what is normal and I don't have any resources to ask.

Thankfully I have setup a camera that records them so I can review without hovering over them. Here is a clip from this morning.


The mostly white bigger one is the existing pig, also who I believe to be the current dominate one. She is the one doing all the rumbling in the video. The one with the brown side spot is the new piggie.

Hi

Thank you for posting the video. It has really helped me.

Please take a deep breath; all is OK. They are having a rumbling dominance display but it is definitely good-natured and they have definitely bonded. :)

Your smaller one is actually very happy, as she is popcorning a little in between - she's just a youngster being proud to show off to her elder. ;)

Things should be settling down over the coming 2 weeks it takes for the group to be fully established in their territory with the exception of a manic 1-2 days when a sow is coming into season. The first seasons are often stronger because piggies bond through a shared excess of pheromones and emotions; it helps to cement the relationship. And no piggy will get harmed, even if it doesn't look like that. Just tell yourself that going through this together will cement their bond.
When Sows Experience A Strong Season (videos)

What I would like to ask you is to double-check the gender. If you struggle, you are welcome to post a picture in our Sexing section for a second opinion. We recommend it for all new piggies as mis-sexing does unfortunately happen more often than anybody would like.
Right now you need not worry; this is your smaller one just being cheeky. :)
Illustrated Sexing Guide

But please rest assured that the bond is working out. :tu:
 
Thank you so much! I have been barely sleeping at night thinking every wheek is the start of a fight.

That is good to know that the popcorning is good, I saw that a few times, but didn't know if it meant something different than normal in this context.

I can confirm the are both girls, we triple checked and even had the vet check when she looked at the new member before introducing them. No surprise baby piggies for us!

Thanks again! This experience has been much more stressful then I would have imagined! All the YouTube research can only prepare one so much.
 
Thank you so much! I have been barely sleeping at night thinking every wheek is the start of a fight.

That is good to know that the popcorning is good, I saw that a few times, but didn't know if it meant something different than normal in this context.

I can confirm the are both girls, we triple checked and even had the vet check when she looked at the new member before introducing them. No surprise baby piggies for us!

Thanks again! This experience has been much more stressful then I would have imagined! All the YouTube research can only prepare one so much.

No, the body language is perfectly fine for two young sows who are fine together but with the leader feeling somewhat out of her depth with having to set up her own group in a new territory while she would still very much look for coaching from her elders and is trying to cover up her insecurity with her remble-strutting. But there is no aggression whatsoever in it either of them.

Most videos sadly don't take you through the body language in detail because most posters cannot read it themselves. It takes experience and the fear of fights is sadly dominating the whole bonding discussion because of that lack of being able to read the danger signs so you can abort before things escalate. The truth is that most bondings do go OK but people don't post about them. :(
 
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