How To Bond Neutered Male Into Group Of Girls

[Throwa]

Morning all.

I was after some advice as to how to best go about integrating my neutered male into my group of 3 girls. He will have completed his 6 weeks this weekend, and has been living next to the girls for the past 4 weeks, they are all very aware that the other exists!

What would be the best way to integrate him into the girls' group (using neutral territory, lots of food, etc etc.....)

1. Chuck him in with all 3 of them and let them all get on with it?
2. Put him in with Honey (very submissive), get them happy, then add more going up in the dominance ranking (i.e. Midnight, middle ranked, then Patch, dominant)
3. Put him in with Patch (dominant), then once they're happy, add in Midnight and then Honey?

He is 10m old, newly neutered, and was bullied in his previous boar-group (so am assuming he's more to the submissive end of the scale). The girls have only ever lived in a girl-herd, Honey had an accidental pregnancy when she was left in with her dad / brothers too long, but other than that none of the girls have lived with a boy before.

Many thanks!

 

[Janice C]

Morning all.

I was after some advice as to how to best go about integrating my neutered male into my group of 3 girls. He will have completed his 6 weeks this weekend, and has been living next to the girls for the past 4 weeks, they are all very aware that the other exists!

What would be the best way to integrate him into the girls' group (using neutral territory, lots of food, etc etc.....)

1. Chuck him in with all 3 of them and let them all get on with it?
2. Put him in with Honey (very submissive), get them happy, then add more going up in the dominance ranking (i.e. Midnight, middle ranked, then Patch, dominant)
3. Put him in with Patch (dominant), then once they're happy, add in Midnight and then Honey?

He is 10m old, newly neutered, and was bullied in his previous boar-group (so am assuming he's more to the submissive end of the scale). The girls have only ever lived in a girl-herd, Honey had an accidental pregnancy when she was left in with her dad / brothers too long, but other than that none of the girls have lived with a boy before.

Many thanks!

If they have been side to side for 4 weeks I can’t see any problem just allowing him in with the group? They are a settled group with their own settled hierarchy so will soon tell him who is who in the dominance factor!
My Husboars were just integrated this way with their girls and after the usual mounting and chasing of each one of the girls, soon settled into place! They both listen to the dominant female so this helps!
Good luck!
Ps still use a neutral area.

 

[Wiebke]

Morning all.

I was after some advice as to how to best go about integrating my neutered male into my group of 3 girls. He will have completed his 6 weeks this weekend, and has been living next to the girls for the past 4 weeks, they are all very aware that the other exists!

What would be the best way to integrate him into the girls' group (using neutral territory, lots of food, etc etc.....)

1. Chuck him in with all 3 of them and let them all get on with it?
2. Put him in with Honey (very submissive), get them happy, then add more going up in the dominance ranking (i.e. Midnight, middle ranked, then Patch, dominant)
3. Put him in with Patch (dominant), then once they're happy, add in Midnight and then Honey?

He is 10m old, newly neutered, and was bullied in his previous boar-group (so am assuming he's more to the submissive end of the scale). The girls have only ever lived in a girl-herd, Honey had an accidental pregnancy when she was left in with her dad / brothers too long, but other than that none of the girls have lived with a boy before.

Many thanks!

Keep your boy next to the girls for a few days, or if that is not possible, in a divided run for a few hours or overnight so they can get to know each other through the bars. Then introduce them all together on neutral ground.

Our bonding guide features group bondings and group bonding tips: Bonding: Illustrated Dominance Behaviours And Dynamics

 

[Merab]

When I bonded a neutered boar with 2 sows there was no problem at all.
The dominant sow decided she like his cage, moved in with her daughter and Titus didn’t complain- he was very happy with the new arrangements,
Good luck.

 

[Throwa]

When I bonded a neutered boar with 2 sows there was no problem at all.
The dominant sow decided she like his cage, moved in with her daughter and Titus didn’t complain- he was very happy with the new arrangements,
Good luck.

Ha ha! Here's hoping for just as much success, that he's so happy to be with others again that they all just get on with it!

Many thanks all for confirming I was overthinking it, will report back after the weekend!

 

[Wiebke]

Ha ha! Here's hoping for just as much success, that he's so happy to be with others again that they all just get on with it!

Many thanks all for confirming I was overthinking it, will report back after the weekend!

I would MOST STRONGLY NOT recommend to introduce in a cage! @Throwa[/USER]

It may work with a submissive boar; it has also horribly failed when a piggy has introduced themselves accidentally. Most piggies do NOT like at all having their cage invaded and will react most strongly to what they perceive as an intruder. Fights and tussles are very often the result! Just because a boar has been bullied doesn't nexessarily mean that he will not be fear-agressive when meeting others, as I have witnessed myself more than once.

Once piggies have made up their mind about a new piggy, they will rarely change it. Please do not give this advice in this form again on this forum, @Merab's Slave. Just because you happened to be lucky, it doesn't mean that the poster will be so, too!

 

[Throwa]

I would MOST STRONGLY NOT recommend to introduce in a cage! @Throwa[/USER]

It may work with a submissive boar; it has also horribly failed when a piggy has introduced themselves accidentally. Most piggies do NOT like at all having their cage invaded and will react most strongly to what they perceive as an intruder. Fights and tussles are very often the result!

Once piggies have made up their mind about a new piggy, they will rarely change it. Please do not give this advice ever again on this forum, @Merab's Slave. Just because you happened to be lucky, it doesn't mean that the poster will be so, too!

Oh no, I was going to introduce them all on the floor in any case, just so they all had some room to escape if needed. Then to put them back in their cage afterwards once everypig was happy, freshly cleaned out etc etc.

 

[Tiamolly123]

Hi & welcome to our friendly forum Thowa

 

[Wiebke]

Oh no, I was going to introduce them all on the floor in any case, just so they all had some room to escape if needed. Then to put them back in their cage afterwards once everypig was happy, freshly cleaned out etc etc.

Please read the link I have given you; unlike most guides, it covers the whole bonding period from the run-up until the end of the dominance phase about 2 weeks later in detail. It looks at bonding dynamics as well as at behaviours that are typical for each phase and discusses the particulars you need to look out in boar/sow or mixed gender group/pair bondings. You will hopefully find it very helpful.

 

[Throwa]

Morning all.

So, Boney has met his ladies. He was very excited.... they were less keen on him however! Several meet and greets happened, with everypig getting happier (and less excited on Boney's part) each time they met. So we are now in a situation whereby he is very happy to be with Honey and Midnight, the two submissive girls. They all met in the bathroom, with copious amounts of hay and veggies, and these three are all very happy, get along very well, and he has had overnight visits with both, with lots of snuggling on both sides.

Patch (boss pig), on the other hand, is being much trickier. Originally she was really unimpressed, lots of purring, bottom wiggling and teeth chattering, which seemed to set off a defensive reaction in him. As we have continued meet and greet playtime each evening this has lessened each night, to the point where, in the bathroom, they are happy to eat together, and when startled by a small child, will dart off to the same corner and huddle up together. She is definitely still boss pig, he is submissive to her, runs away / does not 'look for trouble' as it were, and generally tries to get on with eating and exploring etc. BUT one to one time with these two in the cage is not working. She gets very agitated, follows him around and eventually corners him and gets aggressive. No blood has been drawn but she's not happy. He does his best to avoid her but whereas he can do this in the bathroom it's not possible in the cage.

So my questions - do I continue as is? Continue meet and greets in the evenings, and switch Boney in and out with Honey and Midnight for the rest of time to continue these relationships (if they start fear-squealing Patch gets a lot worse as it seems to set off her protective instincts). Patch has got a lot better with him over the few days that they have met, and soon they will all be able to go out on the grass together in a huge 6ft run for much of the daylight time, which always relaxes everypig.

Or is this Patch saying 'no, you're not my friend' and we need to consider plan b?

Thanks for all thoughts and responses.

 

[Wiebke]

Morning all.

So, Boney has met his ladies. He was very excited.... they were less keen on him however! Several meet and greets happened, with everypig getting happier (and less excited on Boney's part) each time they met. So we are now in a situation whereby he is very happy to be with Honey and Midnight, the two submissive girls. They all met in the bathroom, with copious amounts of hay and veggies, and these three are all very happy, get along very well, and he has had overnight visits with both, with lots of snuggling on both sides.

Patch (boss pig), on the other hand, is being much trickier. Originally she was really unimpressed, lots of purring, bottom wiggling and teeth chattering, which seemed to set off a defensive reaction in him. As we have continued meet and greet playtime each evening this has lessened each night, to the point where, in the bathroom, they are happy to eat together, and when startled by a small child, will dart off to the same corner and huddle up together. She is definitely still boss pig, he is submissive to her, runs away / does not 'look for trouble' as it were, and generally tries to get on with eating and exploring etc. BUT one to one time with these two in the cage is not working. She gets very agitated, follows him around and eventually corners him and gets aggressive. No blood has been drawn but she's not happy. He does his best to avoid her but whereas he can do this in the bathroom it's not possible in the cage.

So my questions - do I continue as is? Continue meet and greets in the evenings, and switch Boney in and out with Honey and Midnight for the rest of time to continue these relationships (if they start fear-squealing Patch gets a lot worse as it seems to set off her protective instincts). Patch has got a lot better with him over the few days that they have met, and soon they will all be able to go out on the grass together in a huge 6ft run for much of the daylight time, which always relaxes everypig.

Or is this Patch saying 'no, you're not my friend' and we need to consider plan b?

Thanks for all thoughts and responses.

Please let them finally STAY together and work out the hierarchy fully without any further interruption from you!
They HAVE already over a week ago!

What you are putting your piggy through is an interrupted bonding, so they struggle to establish a group. Acceptance has long since happened - that takes only half an hour before the piggies start working on establishing their new group hiearchy. What you are seeing, and are constantly stopping, is the attempt to get on with the job. Dominance behaviour is a vital part of achieving this; you cannot do any introduction without dominance behaviour - lovey dovey does not happen in this phase, it is as simple as that.
The more you interrupt this phase, the harder you make it for your group to gel as a group.

Your piggies have long since established that they want to be together.
Patch has long established that she is boss. She has put your boy in place, he has accepted that so the hierarchy work-out is now travelling down the ladder as it should, despite your interference.

You could have achieved the same by reading our detailed bonding guide with all social interactive behaviours carefully explained, and just letting the piggies work it out between them in one single day without letting your own fears take over. Bonding: Illustrated Dominance Behaviours And Dynamics

Please take yourself out of the picture now. All behaviours have been so far reporting have been absolutely normal and in the mild range of bonding, so please finally make the jump, trust your piggies (if you can't trust yourself) and let them live together as the group they have already established.