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I should like to consult you regarding fungal parasites.

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Hello all, I wish to consult regarding ivermectin. After administering the first dose to my guinea pig, I noticed a marked increase in its scratching behaviour. It occasionally nibbles the fur on its limbs and sometimes jumps up abruptly. Additionally, it appears to have lost its appetite and emits faint whimpering sounds when walking – I'm uncertain whether this stems from hunger or discomfort. Secondly, online resources indicate the second topical application of ivermectin should be administered after 4 days rather than 7 days. Is it feasible to proceed with the second application after 4 days? Finally, if the itching persists beyond 48 hours after the first topical application, may I discontinue ivermectin and switch to Revolution (Lekeda), or opt for a 1% ivermectin 0.2ml injectable solution? Additionally, I am quite concerned about fungal issues. However, the vet indicated itraconazole severely compromises liver and kidney function, recommending concurrent use with hepatoprotective medication. Does this advice apply to guinea pigs? The vet mentioned terbinafine, an antifungal used for human athlete's foot, could also clear surface fungi, but I'm uncertain about the safety of direct application.
 
So you think your piggy has a fungal infection and parasites at the same time.

Ivermectin is usually completed as a course of three separate treatments with 14 days between each treatment. This ensures the full life cycle of mites is broken. Treatment does not kill the eggs, it only kills live mites, so the second and third treatments are needed to ensure those that were eggs at the first treatment have had time to hatch and are then caught by the second and third treatments.
So you give the first treatment, wait two weeks, give the second treatment, wait two weeks and give the third treatment.
If this full course doesn’t work you can then switch to a different product at your vets instructions.
It is common for itching to increase in the days after a treatment as the mites die off. It does not mean a treatment has not worked.

So using with 4 or 7 days between treatments or switching to a new product after only 48 hours does not sound right at all.

You should also deep clean the cage two days after each treatment is done.

Ivermectin has to be dosed according to their weight and as it can be overdosed, which can be fatal, we cannot advise you on how to use a product on spec and can only advise you speak to your vet.

Very importantly, you need a diagnosis before you treat with anything - you need to know whether your piggy has mites or whether she has a fungal infection. You have to be very careful if you try to treat for both at the same time as you can run the risk of rendering one or both treatments ineffective.
You are better to get a proper diagnosis and treat for the diagnosed condition.

Itraconazole (such as the product introfungol) is commonly used and is the recommended oral treatment used in the UK for ringworm.
Creams can be used in some types of fungal infection but they can be ineffective against others (such as ringworm).
This is why we cannot advise you to treat on spec as simply don’t know what you are dealing with.

I know it is hard for you to find a knowledgeable vet and that you have to do your own research, but I do have to expressly state that in accordance with UK law we cannot advise you to use any product without a vet’s approval.

New Guinea Pig Problems: Sexing & Pregnancy; URI, Ringworm & Parasites; Vet Checks & Customer Rights

In addition, the fact she has lost her appetite - are you still weighing her daily? You need to step back in with syringe feeding if she isnt eating hay and losing weight.

Have all her other issues been resolved?
 
So you think your piggy has a fungal infection and parasites at the same time.

Ivermectin is usually completed as a course of three separate treatments with 14 days between each treatment. This ensures the full life cycle of mites is broken. Treatment does not kill the eggs, it only kills live mites, so the second and third treatments are needed to ensure those that were eggs at the first treatment have had time to hatch and are then caught by the second and third treatments.
So you give the first treatment, wait two weeks, give the second treatment, wait two weeks and give the third treatment.
If this full course doesn’t work you can then switch to a different product at your vets instructions.
It is common for itching to increase in the days after a treatment as the mites die off. It does not mean a treatment has not worked.

So using with 4 or 7 days between treatments or switching to a new product after only 48 hours does not sound right at all.

You should also deep clean the cage two days after each treatment is done.

Ivermectin has to be dosed according to their weight and as it can be overdosed, which can be fatal, we cannot advise you on how to use a product on spec and can only advise you speak to your vet.

Very importantly, you need a diagnosis before you treat with anything - you need to know whether your piggy has mites or whether she has a fungal infection. You have to be very careful if you try to treat for both at the same time as you can run the risk of rendering one or both treatments ineffective.
You are better to get a proper diagnosis and treat for the diagnosed condition.

Itraconazole (such as the product introfungol) is commonly used and is the recommended oral treatment used in the UK for ringworm.
Creams can be used in some types of fungal infection but they can be ineffective against others (such as ringworm).
This is why we cannot advise you to treat on spec as simply don’t know what you are dealing with.

I know it is hard for you to find a knowledgeable vet and that you have to do your own research, but I do have to expressly state that in accordance with UK law we cannot advise you to use any product without a vet’s approval.

New Guinea Pig Problems: Sexing & Pregnancy; URI, Ringworm & Parasites; Vet Checks & Customer Rights

In addition, the fact she has lost her appetite - are you still weighing her daily? You need to step back in with syringe feeding if she isnt eating hay and losing weight.

Have all her other issues been resolved?
Thank you for your meticulous and thoughtful response. As I was in China from September to October and returned to Vancouver in November, it was only upon my return that I searched online and found photographs of a fungal infection identical to hers. This confirmed that she had contracted a fungal infection in October. (fungal) Reflecting now, her September faecal test results showed a yeast count already at 2+. As you know, the vet offered no treatment plan whatsoever. I was new to guinea pig illnesses then, with all my focus on the cystitis. Only now do I realise her condition likely stemmed from an internal fungal infection triggering a cascade of bacterial infections, leading to severe bloating that brought her to the brink of death. Subsequently, my own hands developed intense itching, as did my mother's. I treated her successfully with medication. The most recent urine and faecal tests were conducted on 15th October, which actually showed residual bacterial presence but no fungi. The vet at the hospital where I sent the samples advised continuing the anti-inflammatory medication, stating there were still high bacterial levels in his system (though this hospital isn't specialised in guinea pigs). though they possess bacterial analysis equipment). Another clinic (specialising in exotic pets but lacking comprehensive diagnostic tools) advised that guinea pig test results hold little reference value for them. They declared the treatment unnecessary, stating she had recovered and that I should cease administering anti-inflammatories. Instead, they recommended purchasing test strips to monitor her urine for blood at home! I followed her advice, as her weight had risen from around 890g when ill to a peak of 1025g by 30th November, though it recently dropped back to 990g in early December. During this period, I realise I neglected to arrange regular urine and faecal tests. I agree with you – these tests are absolutely essential. I'm unsure whether the fungal infection has recurred, but my mother mentioned her hand is itching again. suggesting the bacterial infection may never have been fully eradicated. On a positive note, I found a suitable anti-inflammatory medication for him, and during treatment, the bacterial infection gradually subsided. Unfortunately, just as things were improving, I heeded advice from a vet who recommended discontinuing the anti-inflammatory. I understand UK regulations prevent vets from making such judgements, and I'm not seeking your diagnosis. I simply wish to consult whether it's necessary to combine itraconazole with liver-protective supplements? Particularly if a fungal infection occurs in a guinea pig's gut, would you administer oral medication alongside liver-protecting supplements for the guinea pig? What is the typical duration of such treatment?
 
感谢您细致周到的回复。由于我九月到十月在中国,十一月才返回温哥华,直到回来后才上网搜索,找到了与她症状相同的真菌感染照片。这证实了她十月份确实感染了真菌。现在回想起来,她九月份的粪便检查结果显示酵母菌数量已经超过2。您也知道,兽医当时没有提供任何治疗方案。那时我对豚鼠的疾病还不太了解,所有的注意力都集中在膀胱炎上。直到现在我才意识到,她的病情很可能是由体内真菌感染引发的一系列细菌感染造成的,导致严重的腹胀,一度危及生命。之后,我和我母亲的手也出现了剧烈的瘙痒。我用药物成功地治好了她。最近一次的尿液和粪便检查是在10月15日进行的,结果显示有残留细菌,但没有真菌。我送检的那家医院的兽医建议我继续服用消炎药,说豚鼠体内细菌含量仍然很高(虽然这家医院并非豚鼠专科医院,但他们有细菌分析设备)。另一家诊所(专治异宠,但缺乏全面的诊断设备)则认为豚鼠的检测结果对他们来说参考价值不大。他们认为治疗没有必要,说豚鼠已经康复,应该停止服用消炎药。他们建议我购买试纸,在家监测豚鼠尿液中是否有血!我听从了他们的建议,因为豚鼠的体重从生病时的约890克增加到11月30日的峰值1025克,尽管最近在12月初又回落到990克。在此期间,我意识到我没有安排定期进行尿液和粪便检查。我同意你的看法——这些检查绝对至关重要。我不确定真菌感染是否复发,但我母亲说她的手又开始痒了。这暗示细菌感染可能从未被彻底根除。好消息是,我找到了一种适合他的消炎药,治疗期间细菌感染逐渐消退。不幸的是,就在情况好转之际,我听从了一位兽医的建议,停止了使用消炎药。我知道英国的法规禁止兽医做出此类判断,我也不是想寻求您的诊断。我只是想咨询一下,是否有必要将伊曲康唑与保肝补充剂联合使用?特别是如果豚鼠肠道发生真菌感染,您会给豚鼠服用口服药物并同时服用保肝补充剂吗?这种治疗通常需要多长时间?
The top two photographs show the initial symptoms in September. Subsequently, I administered itraconazole to him. The remaining images are from 3rd October, after taking him to the hospital where some symptoms were identified. I then applied REVOLUTION® (generic name: Selamectin Solution). However, I believe I only applied it once, as after application, all his symptoms disappeared.
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I’ll be honest I’m a bit confused and it may be translation issues causing it! Anti-inflammatories won’t treat a bacterial infection and a bacterial infection won’t make your mother’s hands itch.

You were initially asking about ivermectin in this first post.
Do you think your piggy has parasites on her skin?
The use of ivermectin and revolution is for parasites, it will not treat fungal infections.
You then said that you used one dose of revolution and all the symptoms disappeared.
If your piggy doesn’t have parasites then you don’t need to use ivermectin or revolution

You think that the use of antibiotics (not anti inflammatories) may have caused her gut to become populated by the wrong type of gut flora and that a fungal infection has been able to take over in her gut. A fungal infection may also be on her skin and may be making your mother’s hands itch.
Your vet can tell you whether you need to use Itraconazole for any fungal infection.
I have not heard of or come across on the forum of liver protectant supplementation being used when treating with Itraconazole. You have to be guided by your vet though - we aren’t vets and can’t tell you what you should or should not do given we don’t actually know what is wrong with your piggy.

I will say that on the picture where you are holding her ear forward looks to be the normal bald spot that every piggy has behind both their ears (can be more prominent in some pigs than in others). I would not consider that particular one to be an indicator of fungal.
Some of the other areas on the pictures might be fungal. However parasites and fungal can appear similar initially. The only way to know what your piggy is dealing with (and thus which treatment is right) is via testing and skin scraping.
 
She had previously undergone a skin scraping examination (when I returned to China for a follow-up on her bladder infection, I proactively requested the skin test due to persistent black discharge from her ear canal). The examination revealed fungal hyphae on the anterior aspect of her right ear, yet the veterinarian neither prescribed antifungal medication nor implemented any treatment measures. (Subsequent skin lesions and faecal testing confirmed fungal infection—yeast budding—prompting me to self-administer a five-day course of itraconazole.) Deworming treatment was also administered by me! (All these procedures were personally handled by me in China.)
(I no longer reside with her, having returned to Vancouver.) This is her current skin condition. (I have procured F10 and plan to administer second and third rounds of ivermectin treatment.) I concur with your assessment: Mum only experiences itching during fungal flare-ups. Regarding the fungal issue, we have Dermcare Malaseb shampoo at home, but Mum is unable to bathe her. Is there a spray alternative? Or could F10 be applied topically?

Additional queries: Following discontinuation of oral rehydration salts, her daily water intake remains below 30ml. Furthermore, after ceasing meloxicam, her activity levels and feeding frequency have markedly decreased. Stools are pointed andmmexport1765305248740.webpmmexport1765305244723.webpmmexport1765305239621.webpmmexport1765274740703.webpScreenshot_20251209_115001_com.jingdong.app.mall.webp slightly dry, with 80-100 pellets passed daily. Weight approximately 990g.
When ORS was added to hmmexport1764810101151.webper drinking water, she consumed approximately 100ml. During meloxicam treatment, she defecated 160-180 times daily with well-formed, moist stools, and her weight exceeded 1000g. Therefore, medication continues daily, though I question its appropriateness. Home urine tests using test strips showed no blood. I fear she may not require meloxicam, and my misjudgement could jeopardise her health. However, discontinuing the medication resulted in near-complete urinary retention! Should I continue the treatment while switching to purified water, and monitor her activity levels, water intake, defecation frequency, and weight changes?
 
Why is she being given ivermectin? You said she has a fungal infection. Ivermectin will not treat fungal infections.
Ivermectin is just for treating parasites which she does not have and therefore she should not be given ivermectin.

I have absolutely no idea if there is a spray which is suitable or effective against fungal.

What form of F10 have you got?
F10 comes as a disinfectant, an antiseptic and an ointment.
From the picture which is pretty hard to read, that looks like the disinfectant which is purely for cleaning the cage so you can never put it on your piggy.
I can’t see what the pot you have in the bottom picture is.

The need to drink comes before the need to eat, and a piggy will not deliberately dehydrate themselves. If a piggy is eating then they are drinking enough.

You monitor her weight routinely.
If she loses weight then she needs to be syringe fed.
Monitoring defecation is not helpful as poop is 1-2 days behind food intake so it is out of date information.

We cannot tell you whether to continue or discontinue with any treatment as we are not legally allowed to tell you to do anything other than follow your vets advice.
I know it’s hard for you but we can’t endorse any kind of self treatment whatsoever.
 
She had previously undergone a skin scraping examination (when I returned to China for a follow-up on her bladder infection, I proactively requested the skin test due to persistent black discharge from her ear canal). The examination revealed fungal hyphae on the anterior aspect of her right ear, yet the veterinarian neither prescribed antifungal medication nor implemented any treatment measures. (Subsequent skin lesions and faecal testing confirmed fungal infection—yeast budding—prompting me to self-administer a five-day course of itraconazole.) Deworming treatment was also administered by me! (All these procedures were personally handled by me in China.)
(I no longer reside with her, having returned to Vancouver.) This is her current skin condition. (I have procured F10 and plan to administer second and third rounds of ivermectin treatment.) I concur with your assessment: Mum only experiences itching during fungal flare-ups. Regarding the fungal issue, we have Dermcare Malaseb shampoo at home, but Mum is unable to bathe her. Is there a spray alternative? Or could F10 be applied topically?

Additional queries: Following discontinuation of oral rehydration salts, her daily water intake remains below 30ml. Furthermore, after ceasing meloxicam, her activity levels and feeding frequency have markedly decreased. Stools are pointed andView attachment 279121View attachment 279122View attachment 279123View attachment 279124View attachment 279125 slightly dry, with 80-100 pellets passed daily. Weight approximately 990g.
When ORS was added to hView attachment 279126er drinking water, she consumed approximately 100ml. During meloxicam treatment, she defecated 160-180 times daily with well-formed, moist stools, and her weight exceeded 1000g. Therefore, medication continues daily, though I question its appropriateness. Home urine tests using test strips showed no blood. I fear she may not require meloxicam, and my misjudgement could jeopardise her health. However, discontinuing the medication resulted in near-complete urinary retention! Should I continue the treatment while switching to purified water, and monitor her activity levels, water intake, defecation frequency, and weight changes?
Today marks the fourth day of the initial phase of ivermectin treatment. Through observation in the intensive care unit, I have noted that she now tends to scratch with her mouth and use her hind legs to scratch her ears, although the frequency of these behaviours appears to have decreased. I am unsure whether this constitutes evidence that the treatment is effective?
 
Today marks the fourth day of the initial phase of ivermectin treatment. Through observation in the intensive care unit, I have noted that she now tends to scratch with her mouth and use her hind legs to scratch her ears, although the frequency of these behaviours appears to have decreased. I am unsure whether this constitutes evidence that the treatment is effective?

Does she have a diagnosed case of parasites - lice or mites?

I ask this as you have only said she has fungal. You have not said she has parasites.

Ivermectin will not treat fungal.
If she does not have mites then she does not need the ivermectin at all and she should not be given it.
 
Why is she being given ivermectin? You said she has a fungal infection. Ivermectin will not treat fungal infections.
Ivermectin is just for treating parasites which she does not have and therefore she should not be given ivermectin.

I have absolutely no idea if there is a spray which is suitable or effective against fungal.

What form of F10 have you got?
F10 comes as a disinfectant, an antiseptic and an ointment.
From the picture which is pretty hard to read, that looks like the disinfectant which is purely for cleaning the cage so you can never put it on your piggy.
I can’t see what the pot you have in the bottom picture is.

The need to drink comes before the need to eat, and a piggy will not deliberately dehydrate themselves. If a piggy is eating then they are drinking enough.

You monitor her weight routinely.
If she loses weight then she needs to be syringe fed.
Monitoring defecation is not helpful as poop is 1-2 days behind food intake so it is out of date information.

We cannot tell you whether to continue or discontinue with any treatment as we are not legally allowed to tell you to do anything other than follow your vets advice.
I know it’s hard for you but we can’t endorse any kind of self treatment whatsoever.
I administered ivermectin to him out of concern for sarcoptic mange infestation, specifically the type often undetectable by scraping tests. The F10 solution I used is a disinfectant for spraying surfaces and cleaning equipment. The final photograph shows Dechra's MiconaHex+Triz wipes.
 
Does she have a diagnosed case of parasites - lice or mites?

I ask this as you have only said she has fungal. You have not said she has parasites.

Ivermectin will not treat fungal.
If she does not have mites then she does not need the ivermectin at all and she should not be given it.
I fully understand your query. He has not been diagnosed with mites; it was merely that when I parted his fur back in October, as shown in the photograph I sent you earlier, I observed scratched wounds. During that period, I frequently took him to the veterinary clinic. I recall one occasion when he was receiving subcutaneous fluid therapy. The vet had just administered topical flea treatment to cats and dogs. After returning home, his coat developed a significant amount of dandruff-like flakes.
As his bed is on my mother's bed, I decided to use this treatment for him this time. I should like to ask what tests you currently recommend for her. Since testing essentially involves sending samples for analysis, it is rather inconvenient for me, as my mother cannot manage this herself. Therefore, I intend to administer antifungal treatment and prevent both internal and external parasites myself. From what I understand, antifungal treatment primarily involves bathing and applying ointments, while for parasites, Ivermectin is used.
 
If she doesn’t have a diagnosis of mites then we cannot advise you to self medicate with ivermectin.

You can’t use ivermectin and then bathe her for fungal within a certain period as it renders the treatments ineffective. This is why you need to know what you are dealing with and treat for that rather than treating for everything.
A fungal infection can need oral treatment. Bathing can be done but it is harsh on the skin. Using creams may help for some types but can be ineffective for others (creaming for ringworm for example is ineffective).
Your mother shouldn’t be taking samples herself - it is for the vet to do this and then tell you what Treatment is needed

We actually can’t advise you to self medicate with anything. You should only treat for a diagnosed issue.

The f10 disinfectant cannot be applied to her body.
 
I've discovered Dechra's Miconazole Spray
Ingredients: US-patented TrizEDTA, 2% miconazole,
2% chlorhexidine, ceramide complex
Are you familiar with this product? I'm unsure about its efficacy against bacteria and fungi. Can formulations containing these ingredients be sprayed on the ears? While enquiring about this product with the supplier, I heard mention of bacterial interdigital dermatitis. This prompted me to recall noticing hyperplasia on one of her fingernails and slight desquamation on her palm, though very minimal. I'm unsure if this constitutes interdigital dermatitis. If so, her feet may harbour bacteria. Additionally, one ear consistently produces black discharge and she recoils at touch, whereas the other ear shows no issues. I've conducted multiple tests confirming bacterial presence but ruling out parasites. The vet noted that some bacterial presence is normal. However, I believe that black discharge is indeed abnormal. Regarding the ears, I would also like to ask whether applying some ointment is necessary? (If UK regulations permit answering such queries, could you share some of your past treatment experiences with me? I will adopt them myself, and it does not involve any violations.) In China, we have a pet-specific ointment called Compound Nystatin, which consists of four components: (Nystatin)
Function: Polyene antifungal agent. Inhibits fungal infections such as Candida and Malassezia by disrupting sterol structures in fungal cell membranes.
(Neomycin Sulphate)
Function: Aminoglycoside antibiotic targeting Gram-negative aerobic bacteria (e.g., Escherichia coli) and staphylococci.
Permethrin
Action: Pyrethroid insecticide that disrupts mite neural transmission to eliminate parasites such as ear mites.
Triamcinolone Acetonide
Action: Glucocorticoid that reduces inflammatory reactions and itching within the ear canal while promoting local tissue repair.
Each 10g of ointment contains 1,000,000 units of nystatin, 35,000 units of neomycin sulphate, 100mg of permethrin, and 10mg of triamcinolone acetonide, with a base of paraffin wax and other excipients. This compound formulation combines antimicrobial, anti-inflammatory, and antiparasitic properties, making it suitable for otitis externa in dogs and cats caused by mixed infections (bacteria + fungi + mites).
The other three products are acceptable, but they all contain the aforementioned component with permethrin. Do you know if this ingredient is safe for them?
 
We cannot help you home treat and we cannot advise on the products you wish to use to home treat - we don’t know what is actually wrong with your piggy nor whether these products are even appropriate or safe.
 
Okay, thank you. I have found other guinea pig parents to come to my house to help him take a bath. And cleaning the ears
 
Okay, thank you. I have found other guinea pig parents to come to my house to help him take a bath. And cleaning the ears

If you’re using parasite products (I’m still unclear whether your piggy does or does not have parasites) then you can’t bathe your piggy for fungal within a certain period of time of parasite treatments otherwise you render it useless

We also wouldn’t advise cleaning the ears - you can do more harm than good
 
It is stated here that mites can also infect humans, so I believe I was correct in treating her for parasites. She has not scratched again today, and her weight is 1015.Screenshot_20251209_224531_com.easy.abroad.webp
 
Yes mange can temporarily affect humans but you said fungus was found on your piggy and that parasites were not found on your piggy. Therefore we can’t advise you to treat for something your piggy has not been diagnosed with.

Mange typically displays as a distinctive V shape patch on the guinea pigs back.

If your piggy happens to be very unlucky and has fungal, parasites and harmful bacteria (rather than normal microbiome bacteria which does not require any treatment) at the same time then that makes things tricky and you need proper vet advice on dealing with it.

As I said, if you’re treating with ivermectin/selamectin then you cannot give your piggy a bath for fungal at the same time.
 
Yes mange can temporarily affect humans but you said fungus was found on your piggy and that parasites were not found on your piggy. Therefore we can’t advise you to treat for something your piggy has not been diagnosed with.

Mange typically displays as a distinctive V shape patch on the guinea pigs back.

If your piggy happens to be very unlucky and has fungal, parasites and harmful bacteria (rather than normal microbiome bacteria which does not require any treatment) at the same time then that makes things tricky and you need proper vet advice on dealing with it.

As I said, if you’re treating with ivermectin/selamectin then you cannot give your piggy a bath for fungal at the same time.
I apologise for the delay in addressing her condition. Upon noticing the issue in September-October, I contacted the vet immediately. Visibly, I observed a 0.02cc white, thread-like substance at the base of her fur, which appeared to be moving. I attempted to grasp it with tweezers and removed the surrounding hair before sending it to the vet. The vet informed me it was a hair follicle, not a mite. As you mentioned that fungi and mites appear very similar in the early stages, I understood that fungi equated to mites, leading me to administer both medicated baths and ivermectin. I also apologise for the incorrect recollection of the deworming schedule (the correct date should be 6th December Beijing time). As you correctly pointed out, the frequent scratching after the first ivermectin dose is indeed a sign of improvement. Since the 9th (Beijing time), I have observed no further itching symptoms. During this period, I administered no additional medication and discontinued oral rehydration salts. (I suddenly recall that two days before the ivermectin treatment, a friend applied antifungal ointment to her ears, but this has since ceased.) My mother reports she is now extremely lively, weighing 1010 grams, with improved appetite. The brief discomfort following ivermectin absorption has passed, and she promptly returned to normal, which is greatly reassuring.
May I ask: when you mentioned the V-shaped pattern on her back, did you refer to the configuration shown in the image below?
Additionally, did you state that bathing is prohibited during ivermectin treatment? I observed on YouTube that the guinea pig rescue organisation Cavy Central first bathes guinea pigs using Malaseb® medicated shampoo before applying ivermectin. I recall your recommendation that bathing and cage cleaning are necessary after the first ivermectin treatment. Consequently, I have scheduled a home visit for tomorrow: to bathe the little one (using Malaseb® medicated shampoo), administer the second ivermectin treatment, and clean her ear canals. Why can't these be done simultaneously? I've abandoned considering other medications—the itching ceased after ivermectin treatment. My heartfelt thanks to you, dear friend. Incidentally, I've just realised that in China, many medications (whether for humans or pets) can be purchased freely, whereas abroad they require a veterinary prescription.mmexport1765507812471_edit_264955755415819.webp
 
No, the picture you have attached does not seem to show the v shape indicative of mange mites.
Your picture just looks like the way her hair naturally parts.

The v shape indicative is mites usually goes across the whole back and is visible without you touching the hair, as per the picture in this guide.
New Guinea Pig Problems: Sexing & Pregnancy; URI, Ringworm & Parasites; Vet Checks & Customer Rights

Mites are invisible to the human eye so if you saw something moving then it was not mites.
Lice are the only piggy parasite which are visible to humans. Lice are pale creatures which you can see moving in their hair. Lice are around 1mm in length. Your vet has said they did not see any parasites so therefore it stands to reason that your piggy does not have lice.

Mites/lice are parasites.
Parasites and fungal are two totally different things.
What I meant when I said fungal and mites can present the same is it can show dry skin and bald patches so you don’t know which one is actually the issue without a vet diagnosis. Treating for both on spec is not what we would recommend anyone to do.

I did not say that bathing is necessary after ivermectin treatment - that is completely incorrect. You don’t bathe at all during ivermectin treatment.
I said You should disinfect the cage two days after an ivermectin treatment simply to clear out any mites and eggs that have fallen off your piggy and are laying in the cage.
Ivermectin treatments need to be used at the correct interval which is usually once every 14 days.

Bathing is one method of treating fungal infections but it is harsh on their skin.
Trying to treat for parasites and fungal at the same time is the issue. If you bath while using ivermectin you’re just stopping it from being effective.
If you absolutely must bathe because your piggy has been diagnosed with both parasites and fungal then you have to leave at least 48 hours between ivermectin treatment and fungal treatment. So you can’t treat for both at the same time and instead need to set up a schedule of treatments so that one doesn’t interfere with the other.
However, as your vet has said your piggy does not have parasites then I’m unsure why you are using ivermectin. As you have said, the regulation in your country isn’t the same but we can only advise according to our rules. We would only use products under direction of a vet upon diagnosis of the issue. We never treat on spec as it can mask the actual diagnosis, be an irrelevant treatment or risk making things worse.

I cannot help you any more on this issue as I am unclear as to what your piggy’s disgnosis actually is. You have been given all the general advice on both mites and fungal that is possible.
 
If you’re using parasite products (I’m still unclear whether your piggy does or does not have parasites) then you can’t bathe your piggy for fungal within a certain period of time of parasite treatments otherwise you render it useless

We also wouldn’t advise cleaning the ears - you can do more harm than good
Good heavens, it was the translator's fault. I've just re-translated it. Only upon reviewing your earlier message did I realise you'd advised against antifungal treatment during deworming, as it renders the treatment ineffective. This explains why I administered ivermectin consistently in China with no results – Chinese vets routinely recommend bathing pets 48 hours after deworming. Consequently, within the first seven days of each ivermectin course, I bathed him using antifungal and antibacterial shampoo. I should add crucial information: regarding that V-shaped hair loss you mentioned, I distinctly noticed it on both sides of his legs during my recent trip back to China (I'd mistakenly attributed it to ovarian cyst-related hair loss). Do you recall the video I shared of his convulsions? I mentioned long ago that he habitually chews his leg fur. Now it seems that seizure behaviour correlates with this V-shaped hair loss? Yet why did I never observe obvious scratches or bleeding wounds on his skin? Or is this related to the timing of detection? Not all children scratch themselves until they bleed, do they? Given she's an Abyssinian breed, her fur is naturally quite unkempt, making it difficult to distinguish the V-shaped bald patch. Moreover, many people have assured me that hair loss in guinea pigs is perfectly normal. Previously, her paws had already lost all their fur, and when I consulted numerous individuals, including veterinarians, the consensus was the same. However, before returning to Vancouver, I noticed fur had regrown on her hands. I wonder if this detail might help confirm a scabies mite infection, as skin tests often yield false negatives for scabies mites. as was the case with my child. Given that multiple skin scrapings failed to detect the condition, I should not rely on veterinary skin scrapings to confirm her sarcoptic mange infection. Moreover, over the years, I have consistently alerted veterinarians to her skin issues whenever visiting clinics. I've just recalled that in September and October, I used the same machine to test her faeces to ensure accuracy. (I'll share the images automatically captured by the machine.) The more I look at them now, the more I notice the abnormalities captured by the machine, which flagged suspected parasite eggs. I believe these are indeed parasite eggs. Do you know what parasite eggs look like? Could you examine whether they resemble those in my images? Moreover, I have conducted two stool tests on this machine, and each time it automatically generated a clinical diagnosis indicating a parasitic infection phase... However, the stool data does not indicate abnormal parasite markers. I suspect the eggs may have been ingested when it bit its leg hairs, swallowing scabies mite eggs. I hope I've explained this clearly. Regarding this scabies issue, I don't believe it contravenes UK regulations, do I? 🥹 I hope I haven't disturbed you.Screenshot_20251211_211920_com.tencent.mm.webpmmexport1765521030889.webpScreenshot_20251211_222115_com.tencent.mm.webpmmexport1765517003747_edit_279956360868739.webp
 
I am not seeing any hair loss pattern on your piggy.
A v shape on each leg is NOT typically indicative of mange mites. I think you are just looking at a natural pattern her hair. I certainly don’t see anything which would make me think she has mange mites in the images you have sent.
The area you have circled on her leg is not even the right place for ovarian cyst related hair loss.
The v shape indicative of mange mites goes across their back. Please look at the guide I sent you.
I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying and trying to make something you have seen fit when it possibly doesn’t.

Yes i do recall your video of ‘convulsions’ which if I remember correctly did not look like convulsions to me. It looked more like retching or even hiccups

You have said the ivermectin treatment helped and then said it didn’t help. If it didn’t help then it may be because she does not need that treatment as there is nothing to treat. We can’t know because it is getting very confusing to know what your piggy has or has not been diagnosed with.

So you’re thinking your piggy has a false negative test result for scabies.
I’m afraid I can’t help you here. If youre being told a test shows nothing of concern but you’re then doing your own research and come to the conclusion that it’s a false negative then there is nothing we can do to help you further.
If your vet actually tells you that your piggy has a particular issue then we can help but until then we can’t go on speculation and self diagnosis

The images mean nothing to me at all - I’m not a vet and have no idea what this image means.
 
Thank you very much for your patient reply. Could you kindly examine the black discharge in his other ear? Is this a normal occurrence or something to be concerned about?mmexport1764725319126.webp
 
Some debris may be normal but I cannot tell you whether what you are dealing with is an issue or not.
We would not advise you to put cotton buds or any item into the ear.
You need a vet to diagnose if there is an issue and treat accordingly
 
Some debris may be normal but I cannot tell you whether what you are dealing with is an issue or not.
We would not advise you to put cotton buds or any item into the ear.
You need a vet to diagnose if there is an issue and treat accordingly
Thank you very much for your patient explanation. The reason for my fluctuating concerns is that after treatment with Ivermectin, I observed him biting at his left and right hind legs within 48 hours, accompanied by a noticeable decline in his general spirits. However, after 48 hours, Mum disinfected all items using F10, and everything has been perfectly normal since. I have only observed her scratching once, and there is black discharge in one ear. The vet previously conducted only a basic ear examination, diagnosing a bacterial infection. The vet stated that cytological staining would be required for a definitive diagnosis and subsequently prescribed a compound nystatin preparation. The vet indicated this medication treats both bacterial and fungal infections, deeming cytological staining unnecessary. Under these circumstances, is a second course of ivermectin treatment still necessary? Should I pause treatment for the ear for now? I am well aware of my own excessive anxiety, so I have set myself a principle: as long as there is no significant change in weight and bowel movements remain largely normal, I shall refrain from excessive concern. I am uncertain whether, under these circumstances,
 
Another scenario is precisely as you described earlier. The fungal treatment and deworming were carried out concurrently, ultimately resulting in neither being thoroughly completed.
 
Ivermectin does not treat fungal infections.
Ivermectin does not treat bacterial issues.
Ivermectin only treats parasites.
If your piggy has not been diagnosed with parasites then your piggy does not need ivermectin.

You seem to have been told your piggy has a bacterial issue in her ear.
If your piggy has a diagnosed ear issue and your vet has prescribed treatment then you need to treat the issue according to your vets instructions - we cannot tell you to do anything other than that.
However Nystatin is an antifungal treatment. It is not a treatment for a bacterial issue so I’m struggling to see why you would be given nystatin for a bacterial diagnosis.
You should have a discussion with your vet to check whether the ear diagnosis is fungal or bacterial.
 
Ivermectin does not treat fungal infections.
Ivermectin does not treat bacterial issues.
Ivermectin only treats parasites.
If your piggy has not been diagnosed with parasites then your piggy does not need ivermectin.

You seem to have been told your piggy has a bacterial issue in her ear.
If your piggy has a diagnosed ear issue and your vet has prescribed treatment then you need to treat the issue according to your vets instructions - we cannot tell you to do anything other than that.
However Nystatin is an antifungal treatment. It is not a treatment for a bacterial issue so I’m struggling to see why you would be given nystatin for a bacterial diagnosis.
You should have a discussion with your vet to check whether the ear diagnosis is fungal or bacterial.
The September urine test report indicated the presence of inflammatory white blood cells, though no red blood cells were detected. Subsequently, she continued taking the new medication pradofloxacin to suppress urinary bacteria. The October test report showed the drug was effective, with values decreasing, though the rate of decline was slow for her, possibly due to the dosage prescribed by the doctor. September faecal testing indicated minimal cocci presence, yet following Pradofloxacin administration, faecal cocci counts surged severalfold. To investigate this discrepancy, I conducted repeated faecal and urine tests yesterday. Urinalysis revealed red blood cells – as indicated by the analyser – though the veterinarian observed only cocci under microscopy. The vet indicated persistent inflammation. Upon consulting the medication's instructions, I discovered it functions not only as an anti-inflammatory but also as an antibacterial agent. Therefore, I understand Pravofloxacin to be an antibacterial medication for treating bacterial infections, applicable to feline skin, urinary tract, and respiratory infections. Pradofloxacin is approved for canine use in certain countries. This medication proved highly suitable for her; during treatment, her ears cleared of black discharge, and the latest faecal report indicated restored intestinal digestive function. The vet advised continuing the course. After consulting literature on cystitis, I concluded this drug could even eliminate the infection entirely! I now harbour no doubts whatsoever. All uncertainties have been resolved, and I trust no further confusion will arise!
 
Well now I am utterly confused as to what pradofloxacin in September/october has got to do with being on nystatin now for her black ears.
I get that she may have been taking pradofloxacin back in September/october for cystitis and that it cured the black ear issue as well, but i thought you said she was on the nystatin (fungal treatment) now for the black ears.
If the pradofloxacin cleared her black ears back months ago then I don’t know why it is being mentioned now that she still has black ears and is on nystatin (which won’t treat a bacterial issue).

Either way, I hope you can get your piggy sorted.
There is nothing more I can advise as I cannot follow what is wrong with your piggy and what medication she is taking right at this moment.
 
Well now I am utterly confused as to what pradofloxacin in September/october has got to do with being on nystatin now for her black ears.
I get that she may have been taking pradofloxacin back in September/october for cystitis and that it cured the black ear issue as well, but i thought you said she was on the nystatin (fungal treatment) now for the black ears.
If the pradofloxacin cleared her black ears back months ago then I don’t know why it is being mentioned now that she still has black ears and is on nystatin (which won’t treat a bacterial issue).

Either way, I hope you can get your piggy sorted.
There is nothing more I can advise as I cannot follow what is wrong with your piggy and what medication she is taking right at this moment.
Let me organise my thoughts and explain.
Shortly after recovering from his first bout of cystitis, he relapsed. I noticed he was in such pain he couldn't sleep, so I immediately conducted a urine test. It showed strongly positive red blood cells, negative white blood cells, and confirmed the bacterial infection was caused by cocci. I strongly advised immediate treatment. However, the vet disagreed, insisting that without positive white blood cells, it couldn't be cystitis. I was furious and promptly consulted other vets online. The new vet prescribed enrofloxacin antibiotics. During treatment, I observed severe adverse reactions (unbeknownst to me at the time, these stemmed from the antibiotic), including life-threatening gastrointestinal distension that brought him to the brink of death. I rushed him to hospital, where subcutaneous fluid therapy sustained him, though his condition showed no improvement. Later, I discovered the vet was still administering enrofloxacin injections. I changed clinics again. This time, the vet prescribed the antibiotic levofloxacin, combined with butorphanol and subcutaneous fluids. However, his condition improved for only a day and a half before he developed hind limb weakness and an inability to open his eyes. I took him back for further treatment. Noticing she remained in distress after each return home, I suggested switching pain relief to carprofen. Subsequently, whether due to medication or frequent hospital visits, her skin developed abnormalities (as seen in your photograph, which you described as resembling a fungal infection). After consulting the vet, she assured me there was no cause for concern, stating it was neither fungal nor parasitic. I shared the forum's skin care guidelines with her. She suggested trying a bath and deworming, so I administered the worming treatment. I also noted her stools had softened. The vet continued the injection regimen, cleaned her ears, and applied a compound nystatin ointment. I couldn't determine whether the symptom relief stemmed from the Verapamil injections, the ointment, or the worming effect. Subcutaneous fluid therapy was subsequently discontinued. The vet prescribed meloxicam, Verapamil, cisapride, and simethicone ointment, advising home administration. After a week of self-medication at home, I sought a follow-up to assess improvement. However, her hind legs remained weak, preventing her from standing. She frequently lay motionless after defecating, and her hindquarters were persistently damp. Consequently, on 15th October, I transferred it to this hospital, which claims specialisation in guinea pig care. However, the facility only offered X-ray imaging and lacked professional urinalysis equipment. After taking the X-ray, the doctor deemed its condition stable with no other issues. Nevertheless, wishing to confirm the effectiveness of the anti-inflammatory medication, I collected a urine sample that evening and sent it to our regular laboratory for analysis. The results showed: negative for white blood cells and red blood cells in the urine, but epithelial cell shedding was present. Although the cocci indicator value had decreased, it remained positive. This confirmed that the levofloxacin had alleviated the urinary tract issue. However, the abnormal finding was a severe positive for cocci in the faeces, with a positive cocci-to-bacilli ratio. I forwarded the results to the specialist guinea pig veterinarian, who advised discontinuing the enrofloxacin, believing the inflammation had subsided. However, the testing laboratory insisted the inflammation persisted and medication should continue. Following the specialist's advice to stop the medication, I observed the guinea pig was still in severe pain. After consulting the veterinarian, I learned that as long as dehydration was avoided and daily water intake was maintained at 80-100 millilitres, meloxicam could be administered orally. During this period, I administered oral rehydration salts to meet the prescribed water intake, continued daily meloxicam dosing, and used a manual syringe to feed Emeraid, Oxbow Critical Care, URINCARE HAY POWDER, and Jointcare HAY POWDER. Before returning to Vancouver, I performed external parasite treatment and administered antifungal/antibacterial medicated baths. Daily weight monitoring was maintained. On 5th December, I personally cleaned her ears and applied a nystatin compound. On 6th December, I administered an Ivermectin injection locally. On 12th December, urine and faecal samples were retested. Faeces were entirely normal, indicating restored intestinal function. However, urine revealed increased red blood cells (below positive threshold) and a positive cocci result. The vet indicated persistent bacterial infection (due to cocci positivity), though airborne bacterial contamination during urine collection could explain the positive result. He did not advise on continuing antibiotics, leaving me uncertain whether to continue Veraflox. Research confirms this is a fluoroquinolone antimicrobial: 1. Contraindicated in cats allergic to fluoroquinolones; contraindicated in cats with persistent joint cartilage damage, as it may exacerbate the condition. Prasufloxacin may increase skin sensitivity to sunlight; therefore, sun exposure should be minimised during treatment. Co-administration with substances containing metal cations—such as antacids, sucralfate, multivitamin preparations, or dairy products—may reduce absorption. concomitant use with theophylline alters its metabolism, elevating plasma theophylline concentrations; co-administration with digoxin may increase digoxin's oral bioavailability. Therefore, concomitant use with the aforementioned substances or medications is contraindicated. Due to potential pharmacodynamic interactions within the central nervous system, cats with a history of epilepsy must not receive this product concurrently with non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs). In the absence of compatibility studies, this product must not be combined with other veterinary medicinal products.
I had thought I'd found a suitable antibiotic for him, but now I really dare not administer it casually. Should I give it to him? His current weight is 1040 grams. I attempted to discontinue meloxicam midway, but found his weight decreased and he became less active after stopping the medication.
 
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