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Blooberry

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I’m sorry to say that our beloved little peppy passed away today. He had GI stasis and we have had very little proper advise (our first 2 piggies) from vets over the last week. He started with lethargy but was still eating and the the first vet completely missed the diagnosis the second gave no after care advise or explanation. He was only 2. He had a large blockage. We did not know about syringe feeding and continued use of gut stimulants at home, New feeding regimes. We loved him dearly and feel we let him down. How can vets charge so much money and yet fail so badly. We now have a lonely guinea to care for but it is hard.
 
Oh, so sorry for your sad loss. Unfortunately we are all at the mercy of our vets. Some are simply awful and some are fantastic. You did your best and I’m sure he knew that. Sleep tight little man x
 
Oh, so sorry for your sad loss. Unfortunately we are all at the mercy of our vets. Some are simply awful and some are fantastic. You did your best and I’m sure he knew that. Sleep tight little man x
Th
 
Thank you for your kind words. We are devastated and feel very guilty. Can you direct me to the rainbow bride section please.
 
You shouldn't feel guilty it was the vet that let you down. You did all you could for your piggy.
 
Welcome to the forum.
So sorry to hear of your loss.
At the top of the page you will see “Guinea Pig Forum “
Click on that and it will bring up a list of the threads.
You will find the Rainbow Bridge thread there.
You will also find some good advice on caring for a bereaved piggy.

Look after yourself as you grieve.
 
Huge hugs to you. Some vets just aren't knowledgeable with guinea pigs unfortunately. Please do not feel guilty, you did absolutely everything you could and sought the right advice but unfortunately you were failed.

It's worth having a look at our vet locator to try and find a good vet near to you ready for should anything happen to your remaining piggy or any new friend you might get for them https://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/pages/guinea-pig-vet-locator/

We also have a guide for bereaved piggies so you can start to consider your options for your lone piggy Looking After A Bereaved Guinea Pig
 
Huge hugs to you. Some vets just aren't knowledgeable with guinea pigs unfortunately. Please do not feel guilty, you did absolutely everything you could and sought the right advice but unfortunately you were failed.

It's worth having a look at our vet locator to try and find a good vet near to you ready for should anything happen to your remaining piggy or any new friend you might get for them https://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/pages/guinea-pig-vet-locator/

We also have a guide for bereaved piggies so you can start to consider your options for your lone piggy Looking After A Bereaved Guinea Pig
 
Thank you - no vets in our area. It’s very hard to accept that we did all we could. Deeply, deeply sad.
 
I’m sorry to say that our beloved little peppy passed away today. He had GI stasis and we have had very little proper advise (our first 2 piggies) from vets over the last week. He started with lethargy but was still eating and the the first vet completely missed the diagnosis the second gave no after care advise or explanation. He was only 2. He had a large blockage. We did not know about syringe feeding and continued use of gut stimulants at home, New feeding regimes. We loved him dearly and feel we let him down. How can vets charge so much money and yet fail so badly. We now have a lonely guinea to care for but it is hard.

BIG HUGS
Please do not feel guilty! You have very obviously done the best you could. GI stasis is a killer disease that can be very hard to pull off and blockages are in the majority of cases fatal.
I lost my Myfina to a blockage last Christmas when access to even the emergency vets wasn't easy because they were totally snowed under with cases with waiting times even for something like an emergency pts of several hours. Myfina passed away before she could be seen. :(

It is truly awful when you feel totally helpless and can't prevent a death, but please do not feel guilty! We can only do what is possible at the time with what we know. Feelings of failure and guilt are typical for the onset of the grieving process, especially when death was pretty traumatic (sadly drifting peacefully away in sleep is very rare).
All they say to us is that you are a very caring and responsible owner who has tried their very best against their odds. That is all that is required from us - trying our best, not necessarily pulling it off. The latter is usually out of our hands anyway.

If you find it very hard to lay your ghosts to sleep, the best healer is talking. The Blue Cross in the UK run a free pet bereavement line, which all the forum members that have used it and have given us feedback have come back feeling better about their loss.
Alternatively a diary about your feelings but also all the small and big precious memories can help. It is important that you balance the traumatic end with your happy memories, so you do not lose your boy twice because of the way you feel about his death. He will always have a special place in your heart because you have truly loved him, and that love is what you can keep alive and nurture.
SupportLine - Problems: Pet Bereavement: Advice, support and information
 
BIG HUGS
Please do not feel guilty! You have very obviously done the best you could. GI stasis is a killer disease that can be very hard to pull off and blockages are in the majority of cases fatal.
I lost my Myfina to a blockage last Christmas when access to even the emergency vets wasn't easy because they were totally snowed under with cases with waiting times even for something like an emergency pts of several hours. Myfina passed away before she could be seen. :(

It is truly awful when you feel totally helpless and can't prevent a death, but please do not feel guilty! We can only do what is possible at the time with what we know. Feelings of failure and guilt are typical for the onset of the grieving process, especially when death was pretty traumatic (sadly drifting peacefully away in sleep is very rare).
All they say to us is that you are a very caring and responsible owner who has tried their very best against their odds. That is all that is required from us - trying our best, not necessarily pulling it off. The latter is usually out of our hands anyway.

If you find it very hard to lay your ghosts to sleep, the best healer is talking. The Blue Cross in the UK run a free pet bereavement line, which all the forum members that have used it and have given us feedback have come back feeling better about their loss.
Alternatively a diary about your feelings but also all the small and big precious memories can help. It is important that you balance the traumatic end with your happy memories, so you do not lose your boy twice because of the way you feel about his death. He will always have a special place in your heart because you have truly loved him, and that love is what you can keep alive and nurture.
SupportLine - Problems: Pet Bereavement: Advice, support and information
 
Thank you for taking the time to write. I’m sorry to hear about your loss too. It’s is difficult and I do feel we could have done more right now. I’ve read some of the guidance on here now - wish I’d accessed this sooner. We need to make sure our other boy is ok now too. Bless, he has been looking for him.
 
The harder you grieve the more you have loved. Your boy was obviously well loved. Unfortunately we only have these precious animals in our lives for a short while but in our hearts forever.
 
Sorry to hear your loss. I totally agree about how expensive vets are, when they can’t even help. We recently lost our beloved cat herby, who was stolen and dumped at the dump. He struggled for 30 days before being found. We spent $3000 in less than 24 hours (not including the $1000 that a kind vet took of the bill). If he went into cardiac arrest it would cost $500 for just one attempt to save him. Our sweet boy past away of cardiac arrest the next day after they took his breathing tubes out (which they didn’t call and ask permission to do, like they did with everything else!) and of course we could only afford so many attempts to save him. So super mad. My uncle, who’s is and owns vet went though herbys his bills and said that everything, including labour should have costed half of what we had to pay. I thought that vets were not so money driven and cares more so if saving your beloved pets.
 
So sorry for your loss, but you really did do all you could, you trusted the vets to know what to do and unfortunately they weren't knowledgeable enough. But as mentioned with a blockage, it would've been difficult and very stressful had your piggy had an operation for example.

You did the right thing in seeking medical advice, and now you need to allow your time to grieve.

I had a very similar experience with my late Treacle. The vets completely misinformed us, gave us no critical care, and I was told to feed Treacle baby food. I even questioned, would this not be too high in sugar, and the vet insisted it would be fine. I followed her advice and the next day, literally as I was feeding her, the food was coming straight out the other end. I knew it was time to let her go at that point.

just stay strong ⭐🌈
 
So sorry for your loss, but you really did do all you could, you trusted the vets to know what to do and unfortunately they weren't knowledgeable enough. But as mentioned with a blockage, it would've been difficult and very stressful had your piggy had an operation for example.

You did the right thing in seeking medical advice, and now you need to allow your time to grieve.

I had a very similar experience with my late Treacle. The vets completely misinformed us, gave us no critical care, and I was told to feed Treacle baby food. I even questioned, would this not be too high in sugar, and the vet insisted it would be fine. I followed her advice and the next day, literally as I was feeding her, the food was coming straight out the other end. I knew it was time to let her go at that point.

just stay strong ⭐🌈
 
I’m really sorry to hear about Treacle. We were not helped with critical care either and it has left me feeling negligent. If your piggy is lethargic you need to act immediately! They rely on us to take care of them.
 
Sorry to hear your loss. I totally agree about how expensive vets are, when they can’t even help. We recently lost our beloved cat herby, who was stolen and dumped at the dump. He struggled for 30 days before being found. We spent $3000 in less than 24 hours (not including the $1000 that a kind vet took of the bill). If he went into cardiac arrest it would cost $500 for just one attempt to save him. Our sweet boy past away of cardiac arrest the next day after they took his breathing tubes out (which they didn’t call and ask permission to do, like they did with everything else!) and of course we could only afford so many attempts to save him. So super mad. My uncle, who’s is and owns vet went though herbys his bills and said that everything, including labour should have costed half of what we had to pay. I thought that vets were not so money driven and cares more so if saving your beloved pets.
 
Dear Minnie, I’m so sorry to hear about your beloved Herby. I am a cat lover too so I completely understand. What you went through is tortuous. Vets are driven by money like most things in this world sadly. I did ask the practice about expertise in guinea pigs and they said they were all trained. Clearly not. We went elsewhere but they were no good either. Thank you writing. Take care.
 
BIG HUGS
Please do not feel guilty! You have very obviously done the best you could. GI stasis is a killer disease that can be very hard to pull off and blockages are in the majority of cases fatal.
I lost my Myfina to a blockage last Christmas when access to even the emergency vets wasn't easy because they were totally snowed under with cases with waiting times even for something like an emergency pts of several hours. Myfina passed away before she could be seen. :(

It is truly awful when you feel totally helpless and can't prevent a death, but please do not feel guilty! We can only do what is possible at the time with what we know. Feelings of failure and guilt are typical for the onset of the grieving process, especially when death was pretty traumatic (sadly drifting peacefully away in sleep is very rare).
All they say to us is that you are a very caring and responsible owner who has tried their very best against their odds. That is all that is required from us - trying our best, not necessarily pulling it off. The latter is usually out of our hands anyway.

If you find it very hard to lay your ghosts to sleep, the best healer is talking. The Blue Cross in the UK run a free pet bereavement line, which all the forum members that have used it and have given us feedback have come back feeling better about their loss.
Alternatively a diary about your feelings but also all the small and big precious memories can help. It is important that you balance the traumatic end with your happy memories, so you do not lose your boy twice because of the way you feel about his death. He will always have a special place in your heart because you have truly loved him, and that love is what you can keep alive and nurture.
SupportLine - Problems: Pet Bereavement: Advice, support and information
 
Thank you. Sorry you have been through this with Fina. i Thought he was going to be ok. Really let down by vets and struggling with the fact that I failed to help & should have acted sooner. How did you get through?
 
Thank you. Sorry you have been through this with Fina. i Thought he was going to be ok. Really let down by vets and struggling with the fact that I failed to help & should have acted sooner. How did you get through?

I still feel very sorry for Myfina that I have found myself in this situation - again. But I don't feel guilty because I know from experience that I have done my best under the circumstances for her and that even seeing a piggy savvy vet straight away would have likely not saved her; just saved her the last hours of dying. Because of an other piggy with chronic issues I was lucky to have all the meds (painkiller and gut stimulants) at home that I would have got out of a general emergency vet.
As a long term owner I have long since done my battles with misplaced guilt. Stuff out of my control happens all the time. When I go back and decide that I would have made the same decisions again in that particular situation and under those particular circumstances and with the same knowledge I had then (which is not necessarily what I know now), then I do not feel guilty. It is so easy to pass a 'guilty' verdict from hindsight when you are in fact treading a maze with lots of dead ends and no map. The path is always only visible from looking back.

Our first family piggy came into my life nearly 50 years ago. In terms of care (including vet care), that is pretty much the stone ages. And yet, he lived until nearly 10 years, had a happy and much loved life as far as we knew how to give him and could express his joy of life. Today we would fly up in arms at the things that were perfectly normal and considered good care then.
I can't go back and undo all the mistakes I have made along the way. Many of my lessons have been learned the hard way. What most people overlook in this age of easily available online knowledge is that most of it has been found by trial and error and that a lot has come at the cost of lives.

I have also learned that beating myself up over a difficult decision against my gut instinct has sullied the otherwise wonderful memories I have of a special piggy of mine for several years. I should have seen a different more experienced vet despite the reassurances of my local decent general vet, but of course what I still don't know and will never be able to know is whether her heart would have made it through the operation with a more experienced vet or not - and knowing what I have learned in the intervening seven years, I am inclined to rather lean towards 'not'. She was an elderly piggy with an eye that needed removing because we'd medically done everything for an infection inside the eyeball itself (and couldn't do more on that score even today!). :(

Anyway, not being able to change the past, I am paying back into the future and I am using my hard and often heart-breakingly gained knowledge to benefit my current piggies and the piggies on this forum and some other piggy places. It is the best way I can honour those past and much loved piggies who have taught me along the way.
We can only do our best at each time - and as our knowledge (including medical knowledge) changes and evolves all the time, I rejoice in how much more we understand and can do now. But I try not to beat myself up over what I didn't know and what I couldn't influence or over mistakes I have made due to not knowing all relevant facts.
Because of my long journey, I am perhaps much more tolerant about the limits of medical knowledge and the more and more difficult problems that the constant pushing the horizons out in veterinary care brings with it. Medicine has made huge strides since the 1970ies but it is not fail-safe or all knowing, especially when it comes to massively under-researched and overlooked small pets. Vets can also only do their best at the time. Guinea pigs and other small rodents don't feature much in a general vet's curriculum although it is slowly getting better, as is online access to an exotics vet for chain clinic general vets for instance. It takes experience with these extreme situations, awareness of their limits and the potential pit falls, respect and tact to get the optimum out of any vet you see in an emergency, but that is usually not something that you are aware of the first time you find yourself in that situation.

Pet keeping, like having children and life in general is a life long learning curve. We are not expected to be perfect from the word go. Far too many people sadly do this and set themselves up for a fail, inevitable anxiety attacks and feelings of inadequacy and guilt. What we are expected to is to be willing to learn, take any lessons to heart and not make the same mistake twice.

What never changes, though, however long and how many pets you have in your life, is the pain of losing them. Most deaths don't happen nicely and with piggies being such small creatures, emergencies and quick deteriorations are the rule rather than the exception.
We can never choose when and what our piggies (or our human beloved ones at that) die from, but we can give them as happy a life as possible while we have them - if you have looked after your boy well during his time with you and have given him a happy piggy life, then you have not failed him in any way that counts for him! It is worth keeping in mind that guinea pigs don't have a concept of longevity; but they have a concept of happiness and being pain-free. Making their todays happy and the end as pain-free as you can in whatever circumstances and vet access you find yourself at the time is what you should concentrate on; the rest is not in your control. ;)
 
Feeling guilty is a perfectly normal part of grieving. As @Wiebke has already said we do learn as we gain more experience but have lost beloved piggies along the way.
One way to help deal with the feelings of guilt is to make the decision to forgive yourself.
This is very simple - you decide you did everything you could for your boy. His death was not your fault and you forgive yourself.
Repeat this every day and at some point you will realise that you mean it and you have forgiven yourself.
It can take a while so be patient with yourself.
 
Seen your Rainbow Bridge and here now. Vets are human and some are better than others. I know from personal experiences and we all learn all the time.
We have to deal with What is delt in the best way we can and think. No 2 situtations are the same.
I lost a piggie who was a bute. . loved him deeply and he died on way back from a check up getting a 100% thumbs up. So much can go wrong with them . I grived moaned felt guilty etc but now I thank the time I had with him and you guys will.
So don't beat yourself up Head Up Guys your pain Is because you cared and in my world that's '' beautiful"
Dave
 
I still feel very sorry for Myfina that I have found myself in this situation - again. But I don't feel guilty because I know from experience that I have done my best under the circumstances for her and that even seeing a piggy savvy vet straight away would have likely not saved her; just saved her the last hours of dying. Because of an other piggy with chronic issues I was lucky to have all the meds (painkiller and gut stimulants) at home that I would have got out of a general emergency vet.
As a long term owner I have long since done my battles with misplaced guilt. Stuff out of my control happens all the time. When I go back and decide that I would have made the same decisions again in that particular situation and under those particular circumstances and with the same knowledge I had then (which is not necessarily what I know now), then I do not feel guilty. It is so easy to pass a 'guilty' verdict from hindsight when you are in fact treading a maze with lots of dead ends and no map. The path is always only visible from looking back.

Our first family piggy came into my life nearly 50 years ago. In terms of care (including vet care), that is pretty much the stone ages. And yet, he lived until nearly 10 years, had a happy and much loved life as far as we knew how to give him and could express his joy of life. Today we would fly up in arms at the things that were perfectly normal and considered good care then.
I can't go back and undo all the mistakes I have made along the way. Many of my lessons have been learned the hard way. What most people overlook in this age of easily available online knowledge is that most of it has been found by trial and error and that a lot has come at the cost of lives.

I have also learned that beating myself up over a difficult decision against my gut instinct has sullied the otherwise wonderful memories I have of a special piggy of mine for several years. I should have seen a different more experienced vet despite the reassurances of my local decent general vet, but of course what I still don't know and will never be able to know is whether her heart would have made it through the operation with a more experienced vet or not - and knowing what I have learned in the intervening seven years, I am inclined to rather lean towards 'not'. She was an elderly piggy with an eye that needed removing because we'd medically done everything for an infection inside the eyeball itself (and couldn't do more on that score even today!). :(

Anyway, not being able to change the past, I am paying back into the future and I am using my hard and often heart-breakingly gained knowledge to benefit my current piggies and the piggies on this forum and some other piggy places. It is the best way I can honour those past and much loved piggies who have taught me along the way.
We can only do our best at each time - and as our knowledge (including medical knowledge) changes and evolves all the time, I rejoice in how much more we understand and can do now. But I try not to beat myself up over what I didn't know and what I couldn't influence or over mistakes I have made due to not knowing all relevant facts.
Because of my long journey, I am perhaps much more tolerant about the limits of medical knowledge and the more and more difficult problems that the constant pushing the horizons out in veterinary care brings with it. Medicine has made huge strides since the 1970ies but it is not fail-safe or all knowing, especially when it comes to massively under-researched and overlooked small pets. Vets can also only do their best at the time. Guinea pigs and other small rodents don't feature much in a general vet's curriculum although it is slowly getting better, as is online access to an exotics vet for chain clinic general vets for instance. It takes experience with these extreme situations, awareness of their limits and the potential pit falls, respect and tact to get the optimum out of any vet you see in an emergency, but that is usually not something that you are aware of the first time you find yourself in that situation.

Pet keeping, like having children and life in general is a life long learning curve. We are not expected to be perfect from the word go. Far too many people sadly do this and set themselves up for a fail, inevitable anxiety attacks and feelings of inadequacy and guilt. What we are expected to is to be willing to learn, take any lessons to heart and not make the same mistake twice.

What never changes, though, however long and how many pets you have in your life, is the pain of losing them. Most deaths don't happen nicely and with piggies being such small creatures, emergencies and quick deteriorations are the rule rather than the exception.
We can never choose when and what our piggies (or our human beloved ones at that) die from, but we can give them as happy a life as possible while we have them - if you have looked after your boy well during his time with you and have given him a happy piggy life, then you have not failed him in any way that counts for him! It is worth keeping in mind that guinea pigs don't have a concept of longevity; but they have a concept of happiness and being pain-free. Making their todays happy and the end as pain-free as you can in whatever circumstances and vet access you find yourself at the time is what you should concentrate on; the rest is not in your control. ;)
 
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