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Is blood a sign that stone has passed?

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I noticed some blood in the cage this morning. My Guinea pig ginger was diagnosed with bladder stones a couple of weeks back after an ultra sound.

I had a look around in the cage for a stone but i couldn't see anything. Althought there was a lot of poo.

She has been on septrin and metacam and both were finished on saturday so i'm not sure if they have worked and the stone has now passed. I'm going to phone the vet and ask for more metacam and will syringe feed her some cranberry juice to make sure she is staying hydrated. She is still eating as I have been keeping a close eye on her.

She has had blood in her urine before as I took a sample to the vet but it was pinkish. The stuff this morning was really red.
 
I found when my Wilma passed a stone there was a small amount of blood and she spot bled for 30 minutes although I couldn't find the stone.

I would contact the Vet.

My Wilma is now suffering from another ureathra stone although she's very lucky that her stones are tiny.

You may want to consider filtering her water and reviewing her diet.

Were abouts in Scotland are you?
 
I'm in Greenock, Inverclyde She has been to the vet 4 times in the past 3 weeks. She still seems happy and was purring when I was stroking her this morning. I've heard celery and parsley are good and have been feeding her this. She loves the celery
 
Parsley is high in Calcium so something that should be avoided although it does depend if its calcium or phospate stones that are forming.

Have a look at Bladder Stones on GuineaLynx lots of good information.
 
I does not necessarily mean that a stone has passed - the stone could have been pressed into the ureter and scratched the bladder walls. Some stones don't have a smooth surface; they are more a rough collection of crystals and can do real harm to the bladder walls. My Minx had regular bleeding episodes like that before I knew which of my piggies was the culprit.

Sadly, most often stones don't just go away and will need an operation before long. The immense pain alone will make that necessary; the sooner you do it, the more suffering you spare your piggy.
http://www.guinealynx.info/stones.html

This was Minx' first bladder stone (she had two and two ops); it was not particularly big, but very rough and did real damage to the bladder walls. And it was painful enough to stop her eating completely.
 
Is it Galen's Garden you buy it from, I'm going to have a read at the article thanks so much for the info.
 
Thankyou for that link it was very informative.
I actually found a supplier from the US on ebay and bought it from there.
 
Weibke how much did the ops cost you? I was quoted £300 but the vet wanted to try other antibiotics and metacam first to see if this would work before operating?
 
I paid £150 five years ago for a tricky op with lots of crystals embedded in the bladder wall in addition to the stone and £50 for a second op a year later which was more straightforward. However, prices have gone up a lot since then.

Chanca piedra does not always work; it is worth a try if the bladder stone is not too big or in an awkward position. Please talk to your vet about using metacam for pain/anti-inflammatory management if she has more bleeding episodes.

You can also talk to him about cystease. It's a bladder wall coating food supplement for cats that is now more and more used for guinea pigs with interstitial cystitis problems/bladder stone and sludge problems. I have used it for nearly a year on my chronic cystitis piggy and haven't had one single episode since then. It is NOT a medication and WON'T cure the condition, but it can help protect the bladder walls from infection. It can be most cheaply got over the internet from vet UK. You will have to check with your vet whether it would interfere with the chanca piedra, though.
http://www.vetuk.co.uk/dog-and-cat-...0-feline-cystitis-glucosamine-capsules-p-1146

Here is a food chart that has both calcium and P:Ca ratios on it. personally, I have had more success with keeping to a low to medium calcium diet than with the P:Ca diet. http://www.guinealynx.info/chart.html
 
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I have spoken to the receptionist at the vet there who is going to get the vet to call me back to see if she needs to go back tonight. I'm panicking because i am work and unable to keep an eye on her today. I requested more metacam and also enquired about cystease. Thanks for all your help.
 
Stop panicking - she is not on death's door! The bleeding will most likely stop pretty soon if it hasn't already.
 
just thought i'd give a quick update. There has been no more bleeding. Ginger seems tons better. She wasn't eating much before and would only come out and eat a wee bit then head back to bed or i would hand feed her. Over the past few days she has been the first out her wee house to eat. The wetness underneath her tummy has cleared up and she seems a lot happier not squeeking so much when touched around her belly area. Hopefully she remains like this. The metacalm seems to be doing the trick and she absolutely loves the taste of it so that is half the battle she just licks it straight off my finger!. Thanks for everyones help x
 
I am glad that your girl is better. Thankfully, metacam is one of the nice tasting meds!

Just be warned - it can come back and is usually worse rather than better. I hope that the chanca piedra works, though.
 
i know. i still haven't received it yet. Fingers crossed that Ginger is lucky and it doesn't come back. It was really heartbreaking listening to her in pain when she was doing the toilet.
 
Girl can pass stones much easier than boys, but of course it is sore. My Wilma has passed a tiny stone, and currently has another Tiny stone at the moment, it was felt by the vet during examination.

The best thing you can do for your girl is lots of water keep the Bladder flushed.

The exact same thing happened to Wilma, I found blood in the cage, the squeaking etc had stopped within a week it was back, I am not sure if the stone moved or a new one was formed.

As Wiebke says keep a close eye, but my vet did say he won't operate on Wilma as the stone is to small he did try and manipulate the stone out but was unsuccessful. She's doing much better now and the squeaking has stopped at the moment she is also on metacam.

Good to see another fellow Scot. x
 
thanks i have to syringe feed my two water as they don't touch the water bottle at all. I have had about 13 piggies through my life and none of them have drank from the water bottle. very occasionally i will see them drinking.

This was my first experience of stones in a piggie and it can be quite frightening especially when you don't know what it is.
 
Whee are really sorry to hear about this....... i have been looking for an update :)
Sending Ginger mega healing wheeeeeeeeeks xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo

Seeing a piggie in pain is not something anyone of us mummies/daddies want to see....they're our babies!.........

HUGS for you too xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 
thanks glynis. Poor Cheeky has been getting jealous and has looked very grumpy over the past few weeks cause of all the fussing over Ginger. I think she wonders where ginger kept disappearing off to then reappearing after the numerous trips to the vets and tryin to give her the antibiotics.
 
awwwwwwww poor Cheeky, it's so hard for them to see their friends disappear reappear and then disappear again @) they can't figure it out :{
Have some quality snuggle time with you both........one at a time, it will help you too.......amazing how a snuggly wuggly time will just lift you :)
 
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