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I have never owned guinea pigs before, but my friend railroaded me into taking 2 boys (2months) from her as nobody wanted them (very distant buddy). I figured we had enough room and money so accepted them. The first week all was quiet and I got used to them and they have grown on me. Then this past few days I heard what seemed like fighting. Lots of hissing and chasing and that warning sound that they do. Today George has scratches on both ears and neither of them are playing together. They fight over everything including a bit of hay that the other one was eating just now. Is this normal? It's like having toddlers again! Anyhow, I put in 2 of everything and added another cage to give them more room. The first cage I bought from P@H was tiny, so I ordered another different branded cage (twice the size) and have made one massive cage. It's massive so I know room isn't an issue. Should I separate them? Then what if they always do this and one gets hurt? I was told by my friend that they were from the same litter, so I just assumed that they were already bonded.
 
I would definitely suggest the bonding bath. It sounds mean, but putting them both through a new and scary experience can often make them rely on each other for ccomfort. The bath is beneficial because they will come out smelling the same which adds to the 'your in my group' feeling. A good company for shampoo is gorgeous guineas. Their stuff doesnt contain parabens and sodium laureth sulphate which - tbh- ticks my boxes. I've hear johnsons baby is pretty useful too. I used it in my early days with no ill effect. Just make sure any shampoo you do use it completely washed out!

I wash my pigs in the bathroom sink. I add nice warm water (test with your elbow) up to the level that woudl reach their chest. Pigs will do an 'n' shape when they hit the water so you can afford to put more than you think in. You can always pull the plug for a second or two until you have the right level :) I support the pigs front legs with my left hand (which stops them scrambling too) and soak the pig from the back of the wars down and lightly on the chest. Leave the head alone, they clean that bit themselves with the eye milk they make. Add a strip of soap down the spine and massage in well.. Dont forget between the legs, the grease gland at the furthest part of the back (before you hit piggy buttocks) and the tummy.

If you have a sink which has one tap so you can control the water temperature lucky you! You can rinse piggy by swooshing them systematicaly under the tap (avoiding the head!). If like me you don't, it is a good idea to have a bucket and jug of pre-made perfect temperature water. Pull the plug on the soapy water and once its drained rinse off your pig in the sink using water from said bucket! Wrap your pig in your most absorbent luxurious towels and give a thorough (but not too rough as the greasegland and neck fur is sensitive) hand dry. I then use my hair drier on the least hot setting and get my partner to hold the piggy with tummy showing.. Dry this bit first because when piggy is put down it will be covered up the whole time. Then turn them over and lift up the hair on the back and sides getting to the base. Pigs can take a while to dry. I often keep them out for an hour on towels and encourage active play. The raised body temperature will help them dry. It normally takes an hour or two before I am happy that they are dry enough to go back.

The first few times you do this will seem to take an age as you get used to it. But I've done them enough in the past to manage a wash in 5 minutes and let them play on my bed with plenty of blankets for 1.30 hrs, whilst I mess on my pc or watch dvds with my bf.

Good luck, I hope this little nugget is useful! It's helped me with a male/female bond that was patchy, never fought again. But boys can be different. You've done a great job increasing space first! That is the most critical thing. If you dont see things get any better you may be able to resort to keeping them seperated in the cage with a divider but they can still see and smell each other and have conversation. They can also spend outdoor time together if you can trust them to be more interested in exploration!
 
I would definitely suggest the bonding bath. It sounds mean, but putting them both through a new and scary experience can often make them rely on each other for ccomfort. The bath is beneficial because they will come out smelling the same which adds to the 'your in my group' feeling. A good company for shampoo is gorgeous guineas. Their stuff doesnt contain parabens and sodium laureth sulphate which - tbh- ticks my boxes. I've hear johnsons baby is pretty useful too. I used it in my early days with no ill effect. Just make sure any shampoo you do use it completely washed out!

I wash my pigs in the bathroom sink. I add nice warm water (test with your elbow) up to the level that would reach their chest. Pigs will do an 'n' shape when they hit the water so you can afford to put more than you think in. You can always pull the plug for a second or two until you have the right level :) I support the pigs front legs with my left hand (which stops them scrambling too) and soak the pig from the back of the ears down and lightly on the chest. Leave the head alone, they clean that bit themselves with the eye milk they make. Add a strip of soap down the spine and massage in well.. Dont forget between the legs, the grease gland at the furthest part of the back (before you hit piggy buttocks) and the tummy.

If you have a sink which has one tap so you can control the water temperature lucky you! You can rinse piggy by swooshing them systematicaly under the tap (avoiding the head!). If like me you don't, it is a good idea to have a bucket and jug of pre-made perfect temperature water. Pull the plug on the soapy water and once its drained rinse off your pig in the sink using water from said bucket! Wrap your pig in your most absorbent luxurious towels and give a thorough (but not too rough as the greasegland and neck fur is sensitive) hand dry. I then use my hair drier on the least hot setting and get my partner to hold the piggy with tummy showing.. Dry this bit first because when piggy is put down it will be covered up the whole time. Then turn them over and lift up the hair on the back and sides getting to the base. Pigs can take a while to dry. I often keep them out for an hour on towels and encourage active play. The raised body temperature will help them dry. It normally takes an hour or two before I am happy that they are dry enough to go back.

The first few times you do this will seem to take an age as you get used to it. But I've done them enough in the past to manage a wash in 5 minutes and let them play on my bed with plenty of blankets for 1.30 hrs, whilst I mess on my pc or watch dvds with my bf.

Good luck, I hope this little nugget is useful! It's helped me with a male/female bond that was patchy, never fought again. But boys can be different. You've done a great job increasing space first! That is the most critical thing. If you dont see things get any better you may be able to resort to keeping them seperated in the cage with a divider but they can still see and smell each other and have conversation. They can also spend outdoor time together if you can trust them to be more interested in exploration!
 
Thanks for all of the useful info. I separated them last night into a side by side and this morning they are both together playing. Harry is still trying to be top piggy and having his moments, but so far so good. I will separate them again tonight so that they both get some peace. As for the bath, I have hired a lady to come in and show me how to do it along with their nails. They have free range all day every day, in a run that I made myself. It has loads of toys and hidey holes. The only time I take it away is after dinner, when they are quiet. I then set up their what I call bungalow as it's so large. They have been quite timid and have only just began to use free range time! I think it would make things go backwards if I was to switch their routine now. Plus my neighbor has a cat and I just wouldn't want to risk it. George's ear seems better this morning, so I washed and cleaned it and he seems fine. I will take them both to the vets next week as well because I want to get them the 100% clean bill of health. As much as I never set out to get guinea pigs, they have won a place in my heart and I love them so much.
 
Hello,
Nice to see someone else from Sutton Coldfield :) sorry to hear that you are having bonding problems, it seems we are lucky with ours (so far!) just waiting for the hormones to kick in! I too am a complete newbie to Guinea Pigs, any pics anywhere of them? :)
 
Hope your lads are behaving themselves a bit more! Unfortunately it's common for people to think that littermates will automatically get on, just like human siblings it's not always true!

If you have a read thorough these threads then hopefully their behaviour will make a bit more sense and you can end up with two happy lads again. x

http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/showthread.php?76162-Boars-A-guide-to-successful-companionship
http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/showthread.php?28949-Boars!-Simple-Dominance-Displays-or-Fighting
 
Just to update, I am still waiting for my c&c cage to come. What I have done is give them both more room. They have the pen permanently up and have put in extra hidey holes. They are now using up 150 x 100 and haven't has any arguments from them. Harry has eaten from my hand today! Break through, it seems like a huge step forward. I should get my cage tomorrow and can't wait to get it put up. I have ordered a load of fleece so I can make some liners for their new cage. As I type this, Harry & George are playing with each other and pop corning.

 
The temporary cage set up looks brilliant with loads of getaway space and places. I've seen a lot of comments on here about boars needing space to get away from each other. I have two boars who were together when I got them and seem to be getting along fine despite being about to hit puberty! I'll touch wood and keep my fingers crossed they stay that way. I too very quickly enlarged their cage space and they absolutely love having so much room. I am also able to put them out in a large run in the garden weather permitting again they seem to enjoy it. I also get a great opportunity for cuddles taking them out and bringing them in!

Enjoy your guinea pigs, I am they are so easy to care for and so appreciative of everything you do for them (especially if it involves food!). In fact I have been known to use food as a small bribe to get my own way. Shh, don't tell them they haven't cottoned on yet!
 
love the way you have used the store cage You could incorporate this with c&c if you have the space then they have loads n loads of space Nice to see people giving them the space they need You are a great owner
 
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