It's winter soon!

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So who thinks that all the evidnece shows it is safe for piggies to be outside during winter?

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daftscotslass said:
daz94 said:
I put loads of hay and fluffy bedding stuff in too.
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I hope this isn't the stuff intended for hamsters. This poses a serious choking threat to all animals and is not something that should be sold let alone bought.
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Nope its not that sort. I know what you mean.My mum used to use it for her hamster when she was young and it made her ill.

Its like little shretted bits of clothy stuff its hard to explain.. o_0 but its deffinatly not what you think it is. O0
 
daz94 said:
daftscotslass said:
daz94 said:
I put loads of hay and fluffy bedding stuff in too.
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I hope this isn't the stuff intended for hamsters. This poses a serious choking threat to all animals and is not something that should be sold let alone bought.
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Nope its not that sort. I know what you mean.My mum used to use it for her hamster when she was young and it made her ill.

Its like little shretted bits of clothy stuff its hard to explain.. o_0 but its deffinatly not what you think it is. O0
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Oh I think I know the stuff you mean - it's like a shredded up "J cloth"!
 
oh yeah I know what you mean i think thats ok for piggies but you might want a second opinion
 
If it's the stuff that's like shredded J cloth then it's still not suitable for any animal. The problem is that these things don't break down if they're eaten and could cause a serious blockage.
 
yup, my friend found that out the hard way it seems that they just can't digest the stuff and it totally acts as a brick so to speak in their intestines.
 
next_croc-hunter? said:
yup, my friend found that out the hard way it seems that they just can't digest the stuff and it totally acts as a brick so to speak in their intestines.
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Yeah my auntie used that stuff for the hamster and it ate the whole lot one night, swelled up like a barrage balloon and then kind of exploded - it was so sad :'( I hate pet shops for selling stuff that can be harmful to animals cos the public just don't know and believe they know what they're talking about when most the time they don't :tickedoff:
 
Thats why before i get any animal i reasearch it's wild and domestic life for at least two months if you learn their wild life style then you can simulate their life as best as possible, never trust a petstore they are ALL in it for the money really, but you do get a few decent ones.
 
I have been a bit worried about my piggies and the cold, more so the past couple of nights when the temperature had dropped to freezing.
. I did a search on here and found this one to be the best thread about winter and piggies.
I have four, two boys live in a huge rabbit cage, which i have draped with thick sleeping bags, they have two nice sized igloos which i have been putting extra straw and hay in. They both have vet bed with newspaper underneath their sleeping quarters.
The girls are in a big hutch, again i have draped a couple of sleeping bags over it.
They are in my out house which is connected to the kitchen and are out of the wind and rain, although my out house dosnt have a door on, i do feel it is a few degrees warmer then actually being outside and with the extra layers on their hutch and cage they do seem to be bearing up pretty well.
I have also noticed their coats have got a lot thicker the past week or two.
When i have picked them up they do feel warm, warm feet etc.
They do get alot of interaction with me, although they are in the out house, I'm in and there alot as my washing machine is there (its a big out house lol) they are often out for cuddles and for grooming.
 
wildjasmine said:
I have been a bit worried about my piggies and the cold, more so the past couple of nights when the temperature had dropped to freezing.
. I did a search on here and found this one to be the best thread about winter and piggies.
I have four, two boys live in a huge rabbit cage, which i have draped with thick sleeping bags, they have two nice sized igloos which i have been putting extra straw and hay in. They both have vet bed with newspaper underneath their sleeping quarters.
The girls are in a big hutch, again i have draped a couple of sleeping bags over it.
They are in my out house which is connected to the kitchen and are out of the wind and rain, although my out house dosnt have a door on, i do feel it is a few degrees warmer then actually being outside and with the extra layers on their hutch and cage they do seem to be bearing up pretty well.
I have also noticed their coats have got a lot thicker the past week or two.
When i have picked them up they do feel warm, warm feet etc.
They do get alot of interaction with me, although they are in the out house, I'm in and there alot as my washing machine is there (its a big out house lol) they are often out for cuddles and for grooming.
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Oooooh! I hope your tumble dryer is not in there as well. Apparently the steam they give off is really harmful to guineas' little lungs :'(
 
I havnt got one :)
The washing machine is well away from the piggies as well. As i said its a huge out house :). It could be made into two rooms if i wanted to.
I got my own little chair and radio when i sit with them all, yes even in this cold weather lol
 
Black Jack said:
Oooooh! I hope your tumble dryer is not in there as well. Apparently the steam they give off is really harmful to guineas' little lungs :'(
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My two piggies lived for a year in my utility room on a shelf above the washing machine and tumble dryer, with absolutely no problems. This is a new one on me!
 
Lizzie71 said:
Black Jack said:
Oooooh! I hope your tumble dryer is not in there as well. Apparently the steam they give off is really harmful to guineas' little lungs :'(
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My two piggies lived for a year in my utility room on a shelf above the washing machine and tumble dryer, with absolutely no problems. This is a new one on me!
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I think it is also because of the temperature fluctuations too and the "dry damp" and excess humidity caused by the tumble dryer - of course none of this happens if the tumble dryer "exhaust pipe" leads straight outside through a sealed off hole in the wall. It may also just be that the guinea pigs got used to it of course!
 
Ah OK, my dryer has an outlet through the wall to outside. That's probably why it was OK.

They hated the noise at first but they soon got used to it.
 
Lizzie71 said:
Ah OK, my dryer has an outlet through the wall to outside. That's probably why it was OK.

They hated the noise at first but they soon got used to it.
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Oh that's cool then (excuse the pun!) I didn't mean to lecture by the way but I've lost two guineas ( 0:) 0:)) to chest problems and it's an awful sad, long, painful way to go. :'(
 
next_croc-hunter? said:
Thats why before i get any animal i reasearch it's wild and domestic life for at least two months if you learn their wild life style then you can simulate their life as best as possible, never trust a petstore they are ALL in it for the money really, but you do get a few decent ones.
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The guinea pigs we have as pets don't exist in the wild (Cavia porcellus, domestic piggy). Their closest relative is Cavia aperea (sp) that is a completely different species.
 
daftscotslass said:
If it's the stuff that's like shredded J cloth then it's still not suitable for any animal. The problem is that these things don't break down if they're eaten and could cause a serious blockage.
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It says its edible and digestable.

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DSL don't be daft how are they completely different animals they are both guinea pigs they are of the cavia group and both have the same vocal language. and no matter what you should always simulate their natural enviroment shame on you if you don't (not that I'm saying you don't!) If you have a domestic budgie you would try and simulate it's enviroment as much as possible just because you don't get, sya a blue budgie in the wild does not mean you shouldn't simulate their enviroment.
 
next_croc-hunter? said:
DSL don't be daft how are they completely different animals they are both guinea pigs they are of the cavia group and both have the same vocal language. and no matter what you should always simulate their natural enviroment shame on you if you don't (not that I'm saying you don't!) If you have a domestic budgie you would try and simulate it's enviroment as much as possible just because you don't get, sya a blue budgie in the wild does not mean you shouldn't simulate their enviroment.
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They are the same genus, different species, they are definitely not the same thing. Domestic cavies have been around for thousands of years as a seperate species from the ones that exist in the wild. So yes, it's been thousands of years since they seperated from the ones that roam South American plains.

Why would I want to simulate the cold temperatures that species close to them (BUT NOT THEM!) live in? If you want to keep your guinea pigs in freezing temperatures because you think it's closer to their "natural environment", you do that. I won't. I hope you provide them with vast areas of grass outdoors, burrows to hide in and keep them in large groups, too.

If you want to knock giving them an indoor home measuring nearly 2m by 1m with unlimited good quality hay, great food, human contact and a variety of vegetables, so be it.

By your logic you should be telling dog owners (Canis familiaris) that their pets should live outside, live in large packs and be allowed to hunt for food so that they're kept closer to how wolves live in the wild (Canis lupus - the genus is the same but I think we'll all agree dogs and wolves are now rather different animals).
 
yup because dogs have evolved due to tens of thousands of years of not being wild guinea pigs have only been wild since the early 1600's (time span wise that is not long) and actualy yes if you take a dog hunting you will find they are very stimulated by it plus dogs do attack humans accsionally (when they are of proper size) keeping them in a large shed which has access to most of the garden is also pretty god for them because they have a territory and again in a 'pack' yup three or four dogs are happier live longer and fitter where is my proof? myself my dad and i are big animal enthusiasts and we find (my dad is a zoologist what type i really don't know lol) now I'm not saying you are not an animal enthusiast DSL,(back to guinea pigs)give them stuff to jump over and on to they love it, it takes a bit of getting used to but put a treat on it and woosh they are up, they are a different speicies but they are only different in their fur colourings look at their back feet they are long desinged for jumping I'm not saying put them out side but try the ledges thing but like i was saying their feet are still long they have not evolved they were bred for the colourings not evolved into it.

PS. i hope you get what i am saying
 
Wild guinea pigs have been around for thousands of years, not hundreds. Perhaps you're thinking of when guinea pigs were first mentioned in Western society? There have been statues of domestic cavies dug up in South America and dated to as long ago as 500BC.

Bottom line is, they're different animals. A zoologist should be able to understand the difference between genus and species.
 
i was talking about when domestic guinea pigs were first introduced to europe, yes i understand the difference but if you were to slowly introduce a domestic guinea pig in to the wild (SLOWLY) then it would be able to live their.
 
Look we are haveing another stupid argument you think what you want and ill think what i want the reason i am so confident is because my dad studied domestic and wild guinea pigs for four years and he concluded that they are barely different apart from their colouring and tolerance of humans, you think what you want but right now i realy don't care, my other evidence is it snowed the other day and the guinea pigs that are currently outside at the moment are fine. if you have anything else to say fine but if you continue the argument then i just dont give a dam
 
I'm not arguing by any means, I'm stating facts. Best of luck keeping your guinea pigs outside in the freezing cold. Mine will be happy as larry walking about in the nice warm house.
 
I have requested this post to be closed so please do not answer to it.

Thank you to all those people who have made suggestions.

Thanks again

Liam
 
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