Ivermectin Vs Permethrin

[Butterfluf]

Ok then possibly wait and see. Is she on the ‘pregnancy’ diet? I would start a thread in that section of the forum for any worries you have about the pregnancy and subsequent birth and newborns. Please make sure that any boars can’t get to her, and are not in the cage with her.

They are all separate I sexed the babies early and separated the male when he was ready and he's in with the presumed culprit boar and they get on well which is nice. She's not on a special diet but I make sure they always have hay in the rack, pellets, and I give them a good portion of whatever vegetables I have everyday (usually carrots and cucumber and lettuce). And when I can I give them grass from outside too.

 

[Butterfluf]

Please take the little one with the sore on her mouth to the vet. We obviously cannot diagnose any problems, but a sore around the mouth would be a concern for cheilitis which can be very nasty and needs to be treated.

I think I will try tomorrow and see what they suggest. She's a good little girl.

 

[Piggies&buns]

I attach a link regarding diet. you should be including a portion of vit c rich veg every daily (bell pepper, coriander etc). Carrots should be considered treats and not fed very often - they are too high in sugar.

Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diets

 

[Butterfluf]

I attach a link regarding diet. you should be including a portion of vit c rich veg every daily (bell pepper, coriander etc). Carrots should be considered treats and not fed very often - they are too high in sugar.

Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diets

Thank you, I tried them with peppers before and they wouldn't eat them but I will try again

 

[Siikibam]

Try all three colours - green, red and yellow. There are some red pointed ones that are sweet. Try them as well. It may be you just have to keep trying till they learn to eat it. Coriander is another good one for vitamin c. A sprig a day is perfect.

 

[Butterfluf]

Try all three colours - green, red and yellow. There are some red pointed ones that are sweet. Try them as well. It may be you just have to keep trying till they learn to eat it. Coriander is another good one for vitamin c. A sprig a day is perfect.

I used to give them a little parsley every day I just don't have any at the moment. I tried yellow and red so far so I'll try green next. I do have a red pepper in the house though so I'll chance them with it again. Thank you

 

[Piggies&buns]

I used to give them a little parsley every day I just don't have any at the moment. I tried yellow and red so far so I'll try green next. I do have a red pepper in the house though so I'll chance them with it again. Thank you

Parsley shouldn’t be fed daily - if has high calcium levels. Coriander can be safely fed daily though

 

[Siikibam]

Veg you can feed daily is coriander, pepper, celery (leaves as an occasional treat), cucumber, lettuce (not iceberg), green beans. All other veg can be given maybe once a week. Kale and spinach not in the same week due to the high amounts of calcium. With spinach only give one leaf at a time. Fruits (including carrot) should be given occasionally as a treat due to high sugar levels, and acid in some. I’ll link the thread for pregnancy and post birth diet below. Please have a read and make sure your girl is eating as directed. You don’t want big babies that she will struggle to birth.
https://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/threads/pregnancy-and-nursing-diet.109377/

 

[Butterfluf]

Parsley shouldn’t be fed daily - if has high calcium levels. Coriander can be safely fed daily though

I was trying to feed it every other day I was trying not to give it every day. Thanks for the help I was looking at the dietary thread too

 

[Butterfluf]

Veg you can feed daily is coriander, pepper, celery (leaves as an occasional treat), cucumber, lettuce (not iceberg), green beans. All other veg can be given maybe once a week. Kale and spinach not in the same week due to the high amounts of calcium. With spinach only give one leaf at a time. Fruits (including carrot) should be given occasionally as a treat due to high sugar levels, and acid in some. I’ll link the thread for pregnancy and post birth diet below. Please have a read and make sure your girl is eating as directed. You don’t want big babies that she will struggle to birth.
https://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/threads/pregnancy-and-nursing-diet.109377/

Thank you I have some broccoli I can give her for the extra calcium. Otherwise I think her diet is relatively OK, I'll feed her less carrots. Thank you

 

[Butterfluf]

Veg you can feed daily is coriander, pepper, celery (leaves as an occasional treat), cucumber, lettuce (not iceberg), green beans. All other veg can be given maybe once a week. Kale and spinach not in the same week due to the high amounts of calcium. With spinach only give one leaf at a time. Fruits (including carrot) should be given occasionally as a treat due to high sugar levels, and acid in some. I’ll link the thread for pregnancy and post birth diet below. Please have a read and make sure your girl is eating as directed. You don’t want big babies that she will struggle to birth.
https://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/threads/pregnancy-and-nursing-diet.109377/

Also how about mint? There's loads of mint growing in the garden!

 

[Siikibam]

Also how about mint? There's loads of mint growing in the garden!

That can be fed but once again not daily. It should have been mentioned in the link @PigglePuggle gave you about long term diet.

 

[Piggies&buns]

They can eat a small amount of mint occasionally

Please do read the links - Broccoli can cause a build up of gas and you wouldnt want to feed it too often.

During pregnancy, the extra calcium needs can be met simply by feeding a small handful of alfalfa and not making any other specific changes to the veg diet. Hay needs to be the biggest part of the daily food intake. Please do read the pregnancy diet thread linked above as that is a separate area that would require a separate thread for specifics so the advice doesn’t get lost.

(For a standard diet, feeding parsley every other day would still be too much due to the calcium. Once a week and no more would be auf

 

[VickiA]

I’m late to the thread but thank you for the tag @Siikibam. I’m one of the pregnancy notable contributors.

please do not use any products on a pregnant or lactating sow unless the vet has specifically prescribed them. In the rescue we have, as you’d imagine, had pregnant sows with lice and/or mites. It has to be a balancing act. You have to balance the weight of the problem the sow has against the possible effect on the unborn or suckling babies. Unless the sow is extremely ill or distressed then you would avoid using any products until she’s given birth and the babies are fully weaned. So unless the vet has prescribed, dispensed and advised you to treat the sow I really would not risk using any products.

 

[Butterfluf]

I’m late to the thread but thank you for the tag @Siikibam. I’m one of the pregnancy notable contributors.

please do not use any products on a pregnant or lactating sow unless the vet has specifically prescribed them. In the rescue we have, as you’d imagine, had pregnant sows with lice and/or mites. It has to be a balancing act. You have to balance the weight of the problem the sow has against the possible effect on the unborn or suckling babies. Unless the sow is extremely ill or distressed then you would avoid using any products until she’s given birth and the babies are fully weaned. So unless the vet has prescribed, dispensed and advised you to treat the sow I really would not risk using any products.

Thank you, when I asked the vet they said she wasn't pregnant even though I was thinking she was. I know she is definitely pregnant now and I think I will try and find a different vet but there are no specific small animal ones in my area unfortunately. She's not too bad at the moment just a bit irritated but she doesn't have scabbing or balding like the others had at the start. I think I will wait for her to treat.

 

[Butterfluf]

They can eat a small amount of mint occasionally

Please do read the links - Broccoli can cause a build up of gas and you wouldnt want to feed it too often.

During pregnancy, the extra calcium needs can be met simply by feeding a small handful of alfalfa and not making any other specific changes to the veg diet. Hay needs to be the biggest part of the daily food intake. Please do read the pregnancy diet thread linked above as that is a separate area that would require a separate thread for specifics so the advice doesn’t get lost.

(For a standard diet, feeding parsley every other day would still be too much due to the calcium. Once a week and no more would be auf

This might be a silly question. But can I use alfalfa that is given to horses? Is it the same stuff? Thank you i have been reading through them.

 

[Abi_nurse]

I'm not sure if this has been all sorted as it’s quite a long post. But I wanted to clear the following up.

Hi I was just reading the packaging of both the vet prescribed spot on and the pet shop one and they both say on the box "this is not a veterinary medicine which is subjected to authorisation by the health products regulatory agency

The reason for this is this medication is on something called the Small Animal Exemption Scheme (SAES), which means the spot on ivermectin is not under the prescription only medication group of medicines. This sadly means that any company or individuals can market and sell the product. If ivermectin is needed for a bad case of mites a course of three injections tends to work best in conjunction with very strict hygiene at home including throwing out hay batches and disinfecting environments meticulously.

This might be a silly question. But can I use alfalfa that is given to horses? Is it the same stuff? Thank you i have been reading through them.

Yes piggies can have this but alfalfa needs to be kept to a treat only as it’s high in calcium. It’s fine in pregnant females if needed but not a good hay to feed otherwise.

x

 

[Butterfluf]

I'm not sure if this has been all sorted as it’s quite a long post. But I wanted to clear the following up.


The reason for this is this medication is on something called the Small Animal Exemption Scheme (SAES), which means the spot on ivermectin is not under the prescription only medication group of medicines. This sadly means that any company or individuals can market and sell the product. If ivermectin is needed for a bad case of mites a course of three injections tends to work best in conjunction with very strict hygiene at home including throwing out hay batches and disinfecting environments meticulously.



Yes piggies can have this but alfalfa needs to be kept to a treat only as it’s high in calcium. It’s fine in pregnant females if needed but not a good hay to feed otherwise.

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Thank you very much, I was just wanting to try the alfalfa with the pregnant female but she doesn't seem to want to eat it. It's a pity about the medicine, I'm planning to go to the vet tomorrow and clear up what to do with the treatment of lice and also to ask about sores on 2 of the piggies.

 

[Butterfluf]

Hi guys, just an update from the vet if anyone was wondering. I took 3 piggies to the vet. Nami with the mouth sore, Jeromey with dry ears and Legume with sores on his tummy and leg. The vet said that he thought the mouth sore was nothing serious he picked off the scabs (which was painful to listen to ) and put on Sudo Cream and said to keep doing that for a while until it improves. He said to use the Beafar from the pet shop, that it should do the same job so I have applied that now and hopefully this should be the last dose to cure them. He said the sores on the big male and the dry ears on the other should be fine with Sudo cream or the Neem Gel which I have from Gorgeous Guineas. So I guess I'll try these things and hopefully they improve. On the back of the Beafar packet it says for pigs over 450g to use two pipettes, does that mean two in the same sitting?

 

[Piggies&buns]

Can I just ask, is your vet cavy savvy?

 

[Siikibam]

Yes it does. Is your vet guinea savvy?...I would not be putting sudocrem on any part of them, especially not on sores.

 

[Butterfluf]

Can I just ask, is your vet cavy savvy?

Hi they apparently were I specifically asked to see a small animal surgeon and they said they had lots of experience with Guinea pigs. It was almost a 2 hour journey there and back i was trying to get the best help and advice possible

 

[Butterfluf]

Yes it does. Is your vet guinea savvy?...I would not be putting sudocrem on any part of them, especially not on sores. View attachment 128944

They claimed to be and I travelled a long way for them. He put sudocrem on in there but I don't have to do it at home if its not advised. I could use the Neem Gel as it is specifically for soothing sore spots? I'd just weary of it being near the mouth.

 

[PigglePuggle]

I'm very sorry that you are having these difficulties, it seems you are really trying your best to get good vet care but personally I wouldnt use sudacrem especially near the mouth. Did the vet say why these sores are appearing? I can see that sores in furry areas may be related to scratching at the lice but not on the mouth or ears, and on different piggies, I would perhaps be suspecting a fungal or bacterial infection and asking for some swabs or skin scrapes to be taken to check... has your vet offered any tests like this? It's always good to follow the vets advice but different vets may still have different opinions, you might want to think about asking a different vet for a second opinion and some simple swabs and tests to find out what is causing the sores. I do hope your piggies are ok and none of us want to appear negative or judgemental as you are clearly a caring person and are seeking expert veterinary advice just like we would recommend, we just wonder if maybe your vet isnt giving the best advice for these particular issues x

 

[Butterfluf]

I'm very sorry that you are having these difficulties, it seems you are really trying your best to get good vet care but personally I wouldnt use sudacrem especially near the mouth. Did the vet say why these sores are appearing? I can see that sores in furry areas may be related to scratching at the lice but not on the mouth or ears, and on different piggies, I would perhaps be suspecting a fungal or bacterial infection and asking for some swabs or skin scrapes to be taken to check... has your vet offered any tests like this? It's always good to follow the vets advice but different vets may still have different opinions, you might want to think about asking a different vet for a second opinion and some simple swabs and tests to find out what is causing the sores. I do hope your piggies are ok and none of us want to appear negative or judgemental as you are clearly a caring person and are seeking expert veterinary advice just like we would recommend, we just wonder if maybe your vet isnt giving the best advice for these particular issues x

I know you guys are just trying to help I appreciate it. He did do a skin scrape on the girl with the mouth sore's back and found mites there. He didn't offer a swab but if her mouth sore gets worse i will take her back and ask for one. Apart from the sores they eat fine and are a decent weight, all the 3 month old are roughly 450 grams I think that's good but I'm not sure. The adult bore with the sores around his tummy and legs is worrying but the vet didn't seem concerned. I think I'll leave her mouth alone unless you would suggest putting a little neem gel on it (it's for scabby and irritated skin). His best conclusion to the sores was mites. I really thought I was doing the best thing by travelling to a small animal surgeon but I wonder if they were just saying that to get my business

 

[Piggies&buns]

pop on some pictures of the sores and dry skin. We can’t diagnose anything but it might help give us an idea of what you are dealing with

We absolutely do know that you are doing all you can for them.

 

[Siikibam]

Whereabouts are you again? Maybe someone can recommend a vet.

 

[Butterfluf]

pop on some pictures of the sores and dry skin. We can’t diagnose anything but it might help give us an idea of what you are dealing with

We absolutely do know that you are doing all you can for them.

 

[Butterfluf]

Whereabouts are you again? Maybe someone can recommend a vet.

South East Ireland

 

[Siikibam]

And which one did you go to? I’m not sure there are any listed on here so you may have to do a google search.

What did vet say the sores may be On the boy? I’m not sure what else you can do except get a second opinion. Is there any chance you could travel to England to see a vet? That’s the only thing I can think of, If you can’t find a good one near you.