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Ivermectin

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Where is a good place to obtain some that will do more than 6 piggies at one time?
 
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i didn't know you could administer it orally without a vet ? i know you can get spot ons and stuff ?
 
The stuff I got from (name removed) is for oral administration via syringe - I have the cucumber chunks ready! The guy told me they use it as a worm preventative every six months too - so far so good!
 
Yep thats what i use - fab stuff - hair grows back in no time :D
 
Personally, I think it is dangerous to assume the correct dosage from buying ivermectin like that and willingly chancing giving it to your pigs. I also think it is irresponsible when you dont really know what you are doing, just to save a few bob.
I get my topical ivermectin from my vet because I love my piggies too much to "take a chance"
 
I agree with you Fiona, I wouldn't buy medicines off the internet because you just don't know if it is the right stuff. If my pigs need this then I go to my vet. :)
 
Only reason I am doing this is because even if they don't have mites (and it looks like they DO) it would not hurt them to treat them. If it doesn't help I'm absolutely taking them to the vet and my vet knows what I am doing and the meds I'm getting (from a famous/trusted wesbite in the U.s) is the same med they will give me at the vet at the vets it is given either orally or as an injection, when I spoke to my vet on the phone they said it would be 2 treatments given as an injection.. but a cavy's skin is thick and very sensitive, even when it's not itchy and sore from mites, so injections hurt! I think it is a positive thing but to each their own . :)
 
I agree about the injections but you can get topical ivermectin from the vet, you dont necessarily need a consultation either. On another note, I wont treat mine for mites routinely as this can render ivermectin ineffective if really needed.
 
My Vet wont sell it to me without a (pricey) consultation and they wont sell it as a preventative. I have been told that worms can seriously harm (and in extreme cases kill) guinea pigs so I am of the belief that an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.
 
Black Jack said:
My Vet wont sell it to me without a (pricey) consultation and they wont sell it as a preventative. I have been told that worms can seriously harm (and in extreme cases kill) guinea pigs so I am of the belief that an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.
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I'm in the the same boat and I couldn't have said it better myself :)
 
Its not dangerous unless they have loads of the stuff ::) My lil brother could do it himself for gods sake :P
 
This may be a stupid question....but isn't it easier to use the new topical form? Or is this not as effective? When I saw my vet last week she told me about it, called xeno50 (I think) and you just put a few drops on piggies neck once every few months or so (I'd have to read the instructions to be sure), and she was suggesting to use as a preventative.
 
Its not as effective id say but when i went to the vets they gave it to 5 of my babies cause it isnt as strong and they wouldnt give a large injection to 5 tiny babies O0

Personally i think if you try it and it works then why not carry on using it ::) stupid in my opinion when its cheaper yet does the same job when its soo easy to use
 
I had Xeno 450 for mine when they had mites and it worked really well but I know other people have not found it so effective.

They do a version for small / young pigs which is Xeno Mini 50 - but they only sell it in packs of 9, so it's expensive if you've only got on mini-pig!

I've had the Beaphar stuff from the pet shop too but if you look it's only got 150 strength so is not so good - which is why it's available without prescription and is cheaper

Sophie
 
Thanks...I'll try the Xeno 450 first then, and maybe this is a good one to use if you're only doing a preventative rather than the stronger stuff. O0
 
the spot on xxeno stuff only works on pigs up to 1150g weight.

which is useless on most of my pigs and i got very annoyed when i found this out as i wasted a lot of money at my old vets on spot ons which didnt even work.

especially considering the fact that the pig in question weighed 1500g at the time
 
Please do not post inaccurate advice.

Ivermectin MUST be dosed according to weight. To stick some on the edge of a matchstick/cotton bud and stick an unknown amount in their mouth is ludicrous. It could be an underdose for a larger pig, making it completely ineffective, or an overdose for a smaller pig. Do NOT risk it.

Might I also remind people in the UK that it's illegal to treat a sick animal yourself instead of getting proper veterinary advice. It's very different if you're given it by your vet because you know how to administer it already. Don't always trust what you read on the internet.
 
tbh i thought it would be safer to delete that advice, i dont think it should be on the forum :)
 
daftscotslass said:
Please do not post inaccurate advice.

Ivermectin MUST be dosed according to weight. To stick some on the edge of a matchstick/cotton bud and stick an unknown amount in their mouth is ludicrous. It could be an underdose for a larger pig, making it completely ineffective, or an overdose for a smaller pig. Do NOT risk it.

Might I also remind people in the UK that it's illegal to treat a sick animal yourself instead of getting proper veterinary advice. It's very different if you're given it by your vet because you know how to administer it already. Don't always trust what you read on the internet.
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Thank you DSL, although I agree with Kelly, the inaccurate advice should be deleted.....it is awful that some take it upon themselves to dose their pigs without vets advice.
 
Thanks Lorna yes Cuzzy was treated by his weight when he had mites too. I have used Spot on for what I thought was a minor problem with Sunshine but turned out to be just his natural speckled look on his skin. I was still learning. ::)

I would not buy medication online for the simple fact is you don't know exactly what it is, I don't care if it is from a good place the only one I trust is my vet you just don't know whether you are receiving water or something lethal, I wouldn't chance it at all. :)
 
Personally I don't have a problem with experienced owners treating their pigs. If one of my pigs gets signs of mites I will take one in and they'll give me enough Ivomec to treat the 5. I know that rescues treat themselves and get ivermectin in bulk from their vets. They are experienced and have their vet as backup.

What I would hate is for any new owner to read the above advice and think that using ivermectin is something that doesn't require thought, accuracy or a proper diagnosis. Some piggies CAN have a reaction to even a slight overdose of ivermectin, though it's rare. The Beaphar spot-on, as mentioned above, that you can buy in the shops is a huge underdose for larger pigs. I used it once when it first came out and actually resorted to squeezing out 3 tubes and measuring it with a syringe. It's so weak my poor pig was soaked (but unharmed!). Please LEARN from my experience!

Dosing ivermectin oral paste/horse wormer is far more complicated than was indicated by the post above and this is the reason that the vast majority of vets will not use it nor recommend it.
 
I agree, if a rescue does this themselves thats fine as they will most likely have experience and will have heard how to do it from a vet hundreds of times as many pigs seem to come in with skin probs. but with the average piggie owners, myself included, we're not a vet and should not risk our piggie's health for the sake of a vet appointment, i'm sorry but i think it's silly. :(
 
whats the difference to a person doing it cause they have rescues or someone with loads of piggies doing it themselves with experience ::)

I dont see a problem with that :-\ IMO most vets are useless and dont have any experience now days except they can 'sometimes' tell you whats wrong with your animal :P I have more experience than a vet i think ;D i can sex animals ~ they cant, they health check your animals ~ i can - nothing different except they have a qualification which means NOTHING to me :)
 
vets are qualified to give out drugs and administer them, a vets training is so long i think it's a bit of a strange thing to say that it means nothing! And saying all that about vets is a big generalisation, many vets are good with small animals, my vet is.
would you know how to perform an operation? Specialist treatment? They have all that training for a reason. They will know all about the drugs too.
 
oh yeah they can do operations and such things but I'm gonna be learning about that so i will know it soon - but yes thats what i think about the majority of them >:(
 
iloveanimals said:
whats the difference to a person doing it cause they have rescues or someone with loads of piggies doing it themselves with experience ::)

I dont see a problem with that :-\ IMO most vets are useless and dont have any experience now days except they can 'sometimes' tell you whats wrong with your animal :P I have more experience than a vet i think ;D i can sex animals ~ they cant, they health check your animals ~ i can - nothing different except they have a qualification which means NOTHING to me :)
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Yes it's what you think but it's not what the law thinks. It is ILLEGAL to deny an animal vet care. It is ILLEGAL to treat an animal yourself to the detriment of its health.

I agree with cavy love - you've obviously been disappointed in a vet but don't generalise. They might not spend months studying guinea pigs but some go out of their way to further their knowledge in small animal care. It's not just about diagnosing illnesses and operations. It's about complex knowledge of physiology of many species, knowledge of medications, symptoms and drug interactions in several species. Knowledge of surgical instruments and techniques.

I'm sorry but there's absolutely no way a teenager can know as much as a qualified veterinary professional, despite what you might think. Perhaps you'll change your tune if you do some professional training yourself. Your statements above are very, very naive.
 
i agree DSL it is an indepth knowlege of physiology etc. and all you mentioned, you just can't get that without said training.
 
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