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Jon Snow - Tummy Rumbling, Heaving, Smaller Poops And Squeaking

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Hello all,

I usually post on Guinea Lynx, so apologies if my format is a bit skew whiff. But I wonder if if anyone had any advice on my piggy's problems please.

His name is Jon Snow, he's 2 years 3 months, and is not neutered. I've had him for 2 years. He's always weighed a bit less than my other two, but he's a solid 1200g.

His symptoms are not constant. They've gotten better as he's aged but they still happen. He has never suffered from bloat, and is a happy, bright and healthy piggy in every other way.

His symptoms are:
Loud rumbling tummy noises. Happens more before he eats than after.
Heaving (like a dog vomiting). He doesn't produce any fluids during it, and it happens for 20 seconds or so. Sometimes he does it twice in a row.
His poops have always been smaller than my other 2 pigs
He squeaks when producing "special" poops.

The only noticeable difference between his behaviour and my other two, is that he drinks more. But, not in excess, my other two are just rubbish drinkers.

He doesn't eat tomato any more, as that pretty much guarantees an episode of rumbling tum.

He has seen Kim @ Northampton and he was diagnosed to have a piggy version of IBS. There is/was nothing we can do about it.

Guinea Lynx has suggested I treat it as a minor episode of bloat, but I have a pig who suffers from bloat and it's nothing like that. There's no swelling or change in behaviour. They also think maybe a tumour or growth. The only problem here is that apparently this condition has put him in the high risk category for anaesthetic. His gut would very likely shut down whilst asleep. So, I would prefer that to be last option. Plus, he was given a very thorough physical exam and he felt okay, and I've not noticed a change

I give him pro-biotic on occasion but it still happens. So, I was wondering if anyone else had experienced this, and if so what meds/supplements do they give? I was thinking maybe Emeprid when it happens? What about Simethicone? Infacol is pretty sugary so I'm reluctant to use that.
 
I use Gripe water which can help when a pig is gassy. My Millie used to have gut issues (due to ovarian cysts pressing on other organs) and I always gave plenty of fluids (Dioralyte in her case), probiotics, massage therapy and gripe water.

I assume Kim is happy he has no fluid? my pigs that are prone to fluid (heart pigs) tend to get heaving hiccups occasionally. Am sure Kim would have ruled that out though. She has been treating one of my pigs recently.
 
Thanks for the advice Helen :)

Kim listened to his stomach with her stethoscope for quite a while, and she didn't mention any fluid sounds. She said his gut was very noisy, she could hear the sounds travelling along.

My avatar pig is due a visit to Kim shortly so I'll take Jon along again so she can give him another check over.

Gripe water sounds like a better option than Infacol. I've tasted that stuff and it's really sugary, I can't imagine it helps an irritated bowel much!
 
Gripe water can be quite sugary too, I have IBS myself and have tried it. It does seem to help though.
 
I'll definitely get some. The little monster will probably love it, he's always trying to get at my bladder sludge pig's "juice" (100% orange juice and water)

I'll post to let you know how it goes.

Thanks again :)
 
Hope it helps. I always use the Woodwards one, it is in a white and pink box.
 
More questions, this little guy is puzzling me.

Last week, Tuesday I think, Jon didn't come out of his plastic pigloo for his breakfast on the morning. Even shaking his dish didn't tempt him out. I got him out (he didn't run like he usually does), and he seemed completely normal. I put him back into his cage and he started eating.

I assumed he must have been spooked or something. I went home at lunch time to check and he was fine, he was running around and eating when I had him out on the floor. He'd also finished off his veg and eaten some pellets whilst I was out.

Today he didn't come out of the pigloo again. And I could hear him making hooting type noises. He didn't run again when I picked him up from under the pigloo. His hair around his bottom was sticking up all over, a bit like his hair had been back combed. His tummy felt a bit spongy but more like he'd been eating alot, not bloaty. But, I don't know how much he'd been eating as it was overnight.

I took him downstairs and when I was carrying him he made a few deep snuffly noises, very short in length. Then that was it. He sounded bright and clear. No congestion, no wet nose, his eyes are clear.

Just to be on the safe side I gave him a little bit of Metacam and Emeprid. He looked completely fine, except for his sticking up bottom hair. His hair is a bit longer on his bottom even though he's a smooth haired pig. So, it might be from sitting up against the pigloo. Maybe.

He had a run along the worktop so I took him back upstairs to his cage. He then ate the majority of the veg and started on some hay. Then after 15 mins or so went back into the pigloo.

Any ideas?

Oh, the Pigloo is new to him, he's only had it a couple of weeks. He likes to sit inside cardboard boxes so I think he's in there a lot as it's a confined space. I'm going to swap it back to a box tonight when I clean them all out.
 
Is he due to see Kim soon? if so I would ask her to check his chest and heart, though it is possible the sound is more nasal. Hooting can be linked to heart but it can also be due to allergies or other types of nasal congestion. It always sounds louder in a pigloo too. The only other thing that would make me think heart is the fact that you had to wake him for his veg, heart pigs can be difficult to rouse from sleep, it can also cause issues with bloating as they suck in air as they try to breathe. Heart pigs can also be prone to heaving hiccups like you mention in your first post.
 
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We're seeing Kim on Saturday, so I think he'll be okay until then, but I'll see how he is tonight after work. If he's not I'll try to get him to a late appointment on Thursday

I was thinking heart as the sounds were definitely hooting. I've been lucky and only had one heart pig, and other than the hooting his symptoms were nothing like Jon's. But, we know what heart conditions are like, there are a lot of symptoms!

He's not had any heaving hiccups lately, but he could be doing it all the time when I'm not there.

Thanks for your input Helen, it's very much appreciated. Although I've had piggies many years now, it doesn't stop me stressing out as soon as something isn't right!
 
When I got home from work he was fine. He even wheeked when I had the hair dryer on. This morning he came out for his breakfast.
 
Happy to help, I am the world's worst when I have a poorly pig and my mind goes into overdrive. Great that he was wheeking this morning.
 
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Just wanted to post a quick photo of the little chappie, so we can both say 'Thank you' :D:D
 
Well, this weekend didn't go to plan. If anything it wents balls up, to put it politely.

First, I got my Saturday wrong. Their appointment is next Saturday.

Second, Jon had some sort of seizure on Saturday. We rushed him to the non piggy vet and he had recovered by then. They ruled out a stroke or infection and said I should bring his piggy vet appointment forward.

But, I can't see them until Thursday as they're only in tomorrow morning and they're completely booked up.

I'm so worried about him. I don't have any holidays I can use at work, as I'll be using at least one for Thursday. And possibly more if he needs an xray/scan as they're done under anaesthetic.

Any suggestions on what to do? This is what happened with his seizure.

He was out for about 10 minutes for floor time. All was okay. He was in his bed and had a wander around on the floor.

He came out of his bed and proceeded to walk to his left and went behind his bed. He wouldn't come out when I called him, so I moved him. He then started circling to the left.

I picked him up and his eyes were flicking left and right. I held him on my lap. He started making noises like he usually does when I stroked him and his eyes stopped flicking.

I put him back on the floor. He walked about 1 metre then his head started moving from side to side and he went behind the sofa. Boyfriend went round to get him and his eyes were flicking again and he briefly fell over but got straight back up. When he was on boyfriends lap his eyes continued to flick and when I looked at him straight on his eyes were pointing in different directions, one up, one down.

I called the non piggy vet. I briefly put him down on the floor whilst I tried to open the door on his carry box and he circled to the right (opposite to before).

The vet is 5 mins walk away.

He was completely fine when we got there. No head tilt, no flicking eyes and no circling. Alot of his hair was coming out (stress according to the vet) and his eyes looked a bit redder than usual (he's a PEW). They were like ours get when we're tired or hungover.

We've kept him quiet all weekend. He seems fine. I've obviously not been able to sit with his 24/7 but he's okay when I've looked on him. His eyes aren't as red now.

I've ordered some Ivermectin, as I'm paranoid that he's scratching more.I was told by the non piggy vet not to give him anything until he's seen the piggy vet. And he might be eating less, but that might just be me worrying. He did eat all of his dinner last night.I'll weigh him daily.
 
My Phoebe used to do that occasionally, and I think it was a petit mal which was a type of mini stroke. She too was ok after each one. She did have skin issues though but as far as I remember the mini fits were not after any scratching episodes. She was a skinny (my avatar).
 
I was thinking possibly that helen. I have had a piggy who had a stroke and he did exactly the same, but he didn't recover straight away. It took him about 3 weeks before he could walk again, and he always had a head tilt after it. Thankfully he only had the one

Thanks! My original appointment was with Kim and I asked for her as she knows all about his tummy issues. She's in tomorrow morning, but is fully booked unfortunately, but will hopefully be able to give me a call later tomorrow morning.
 
Quick update as I have to dash to work in a minute.

We've come away with no medications and no bookings for an xray/scan. Kim was very happy with him today, saying he looked completely normal, and so didn't want to interfere with him by giving him drugs unnecessarily. Which I agree with.

We have to monitor him and let her know of any episodes, even something minor like whisker tremors is a sign.

She said it's really important to get as much information down on paper when it happens, such as how long it goes on for, when his eyes flick do they go faster one way or the other (as apparently that's a great help to diagnose) and record a video.

The main thing that happened which she was interested in was his eyes pointing in different direction. Apparently that's a sign of a central brain issue, so it won't have been infection, a balance problem or mite related.

Fingers crossed it was a one off!
 
That's really good, I agree with Kim, less is more a lot of the time.
 
Jon agrees too. He's a massive drama queen and spent most of the appointment wriggling and whinging. A good sign that he's feeling okay at least!
 
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