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Kidney problems - am I doing the right thing by my pig?

Tewdric

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Lilith is now around 5 and 1/2. She's been drinking a lot more than ususal. This began slowly in the autumn, and has got more and more noticable over the months since. To begin with she wasn't loosing any weight - but when that sarted dropping, albeit very slowly, I took her to the vet.

We're not in reach of any recommended vets - but the one I saw at the new practice we've moved closer to, I was very impressed with. She asked all the right questions and x-rayed Lil. Nothing showed up on the x-ray (bladder stones, cysts, nothing nasty looking internally etc.) so she said to keep an eye on her weight and behaviour and see how she went. Lil's teeth are fine they were also fully checked. Apart from the drinking, the vet was very impressed with her health and appearance and the fact that she's soooo friendly towards all human beings!

That was back at the end of November. Lilith is still drinking a lot, she's eating like a trooper - hay, pellets, vegies etc. but she's still very slowly loosing weight. I'm suspecting Kidney issues. My vet friend (who is on the reocmmended vets list, but who lives a huge distance away and who I don't like cadging free advice from really) thinks I'm probably right from the description I've given over the phone.

The last few mornings Lil has been slower than usual to get up and come and greet me. Once up and about she's still her usual mad self, still tucking into her food, and still top female in my little herd of four (she chucked the two younger girls out of a hay box containing a snuggle safe and stole their piece of corn on the cob this morning) but I sense she is beginning to feel less well in herself.

How long do I give her? That's really the basis of the long ramble above. When does the slight behaviour change become more serious? I don't want her to be in pain - but I also don't want to pre-empt a situation too soon if she's still happy in herself.
 
If she is eating and still enjoying life then just enjoy it with her, I think you will know if she starts feeling any pain x hope you have loads of happy times together, she’s obviously still “the boss” x
 
i have lost a piggie to renal failure,he was 7 years of age,george was like this,drinking more and losing weight slowly,he had a good quality of life.he kept going for 18 months,from diagnosis.he was the same up till last day when he was slightly slow,passed away in his sleep that day.renal failure is one of the nice ways to go,if guinea pigs have to pass away with any illness !
 
Lilith is now around 5 and 1/2. She's been drinking a lot more than ususal. This began slowly in the autumn, and has got more and more noticable over the months since. To begin with she wasn't loosing any weight - but when that sarted dropping, albeit very slowly, I took her to the vet.

We're not in reach of any recommended vets - but the one I saw at the new practice we've moved closer to, I was very impressed with. She asked all the right questions and x-rayed Lil. Nothing showed up on the x-ray (bladder stones, cysts, nothing nasty looking internally etc.) so she said to keep an eye on her weight and behaviour and see how she went. Lil's teeth are fine they were also fully checked. Apart from the drinking, the vet was very impressed with her health and appearance and the fact that she's soooo friendly towards all human beings!

That was back at the end of November. Lilith is still drinking a lot, she's eating like a trooper - hay, pellets, vegies etc. but she's still very slowly loosing weight. I'm suspecting Kidney issues. My vet friend (who is on the reocmmended vets list, but who lives a huge distance away and who I don't like cadging free advice from really) thinks I'm probably right from the description I've given over the phone.

The last few mornings Lil has been slower than usual to get up and come and greet me. Once up and about she's still her usual mad self, still tucking into her food, and still top female in my little herd of four (she chucked the two younger girls out of a hay box containing a snuggle safe and stole their piece of corn on the cob this morning) but I sense she is beginning to feel less well in herself.

How long do I give her? That's really the basis of the long ramble above. When does the slight behaviour change become more serious? I don't want her to be in pain - but I also don't want to pre-empt a situation too soon if she's still happy in herself.

Hi!

As long as she is still interested in eating/turning up for her veg and is able to live a normal life, she has still got enough quality of life.

It is always much more difficult when you know that it is up to you to make the decision when to call it shots, especially when you have never done it before. Generally you'll know instinctively when that time has come. There is a grey zone in which it is up to our individual judgement when to make that cut-off before you come to the point where your piggy is suffering too badly.

Unfortunately, I can't give you a time frame. But what I can tell you is to please treasure every extra day you have got with her and use the remaining time to do and say everything you want to. Your grieving process starts the moment you get a terminal diagnosis but unlike with a sudden illness you have more control over how you handle the time until death. It is a bittersweet time, but not necessarily a sad time. Love is not bound to time; you can pack a lifetime's worth of it into a very small space. But the less you leave on the tracks, the easier of a time you'll have afterwards. The pain of the loss is not any less and you'll grieve no less, just the dynamics are different. ;)
 
Thank you all for the replies. It's the 'waiting and watching' I'm finding difficult; other pigs I've had to make the end decision for have been easier in a way (if that makes sense) because they've been for serious and sudden onset situations.
 
A quick update - Lilith went to the vets for the final time this morning.

She didn't want her vegies last night, although she ate some pepper when I hand fed her. This morning she was huddled and fluffed up in the corner of the sleeping part on the top deck of the hutch. She didn't want breakfast or to move. The other three pigs on the group were ignoring/keeping away from her.

I'm very sad, and will post a tribute in a couple of days when I can bare it. I'm also relieved in a way, knowing that she's not suffering. Hope that makes some sense.
 
Huge hugs for you, I've been through this with one of mine going for 18 months losing weight (and then maintaining at a low weight) and it is hard but sounds like you very much made the right decision at the right time. Be kind to yourself
 
A quick update - Lilith went to the vets for the final time this morning.

She didn't want her vegies last night, although she ate some pepper when I hand fed her. This morning she was huddled and fluffed up in the corner of the sleeping part on the top deck of the hutch. She didn't want breakfast or to move. The other three pigs on the group were ignoring/keeping away from her.

I'm very sad, and will post a tribute in a couple of days when I can bare it. I'm also relieved in a way, knowing that she's not suffering. Hope that makes some sense.

HUGS!

I am very sorry for your loss!

You have done exactly the right thing at the right time. But second-guessing yourself is also normal for the onset of the grieving process; that is how we humans are wired. ;)

You may find our new grieving guide helpful, which is talking you through the grieving process: Human Bereavement - Grieving, coping tips and support links for guinea pig owners and their children
 
Sending you hugs.
It's so hard knowing when to make the decision, but for what it's worth I think you made it at the right time. Xx
 
I am so sorry for your loss :( I lost a piggy once to kidney failure. We didn’t realise until she was in the final stages as she was living with 3 other pigs at the time and I didn’t regularly weigh my piggies back then. But on the morning of her being pts, she wouldn’t take her favourite little gem leaf so I new something was wrong. She too was about 5 xx
 
I’m so sorry you have lost her, you did the right thing and she didn’t suffer. Sending you big hugs, try think of all the lovely times you had together and what a happy life you gave her x
 
So sorry to read this.
You gave her a wonderful life and a precious gift at the end.
Look after yourself and take time to grieve
 
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