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Specialist Liver issues/not eating

greensn

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I've had my boy Louie for 2 years now--he was left at the pet store I work at and abducted into my rescue, where I foster failed him in about a week--and the vet said he was 2-3 years old. He's always been a BIG boy. Probably 3 pounds (1.36 kg), not fat by any means. He's always been a great eater--hay, pellets, and veggies--and I've always prided him on never having health issues (I had 2 pigs with chronic health issues, one was a rescue, who I had to put to sleep almost 2 weeks ago, one is doing fine). Well, in August, I noticed Louie began to lose weight, and kept losing weight. He was still eating some, so I finally got a gram scale and watched the weight continue to drop. At the same time as this, my pig Stewie, who I just lost two weeks ago, was suffering from mites and an ear infection (which ultimately spread to his brain) so I was at the vet one or two times a week with him. I did get Louie into the vet almost a month ago where the vet couldn't find anything wrong with him other than the weight loss, but he was still above two pounds (~1 kg). The vet said we could do tests if he dropped below 1 kg. Well, he did.

I brought him to a different vet who accepted Care Credit and I've had a good experience with in the past. He did blood tests on him and when he was under anesthesia inspected his back molars, which looked fine (two different vets looked at them), and gave his front teeth a little trim. That was about a week and a half ago. The blood tests came back normal, other than his liver enzymes, which were elevated. He did say that it could be secondary, and that liver disease was common in guinea pigs--but I think it's secondary. I don't know why he stopped eating though. This new vet who saw him said that even if we did x-rays or an ultrasound on his liver, there probably isn't anything we can do. I'm not ready to lose another pig--he's been so healthy and could have another two years given his age.

It is important to add that he is a single pig, because he is aggressive towards other guinea pigs, but he is in the same room as my two other bonded pigs (that's where Stewie lived before he passed away), and they're in my living room/office where I am most of the time. They have large C&C's--Louie's is a 4x2, and cages are cleaned every 3 days and spot cleaned as needed. The environment is clean, warm, and safe. I didn't make any changes with Louie before this happened--no new food, bedding, arrangements, nothing.

I need a second opinion. I did find a vet with a zoologist near me who can see him Monday, and they are highly recommended for small pets. While I do have Care Credit, money is still tight for me, and I only want to see another vet if there's really nothing I can do.

Aside from teeth/malocclusion, what else can cause a healthy pig to stop eating? What options do I have?

Anything helps! Thank you!
 
I've had my boy Louie for 2 years now--he was left at the pet store I work at and abducted into my rescue, where I foster failed him in about a week--and the vet said he was 2-3 years old. He's always been a BIG boy. Probably 3 pounds (1.36 kg), not fat by any means. He's always been a great eater--hay, pellets, and veggies--and I've always prided him on never having health issues (I had 2 pigs with chronic health issues, one was a rescue, who I had to put to sleep almost 2 weeks ago, one is doing fine). Well, in August, I noticed Louie began to lose weight, and kept losing weight. He was still eating some, so I finally got a gram scale and watched the weight continue to drop. At the same time as this, my pig Stewie, who I just lost two weeks ago, was suffering from mites and an ear infection (which ultimately spread to his brain) so I was at the vet one or two times a week with him. I did get Louie into the vet almost a month ago where the vet couldn't find anything wrong with him other than the weight loss, but he was still above two pounds (~1 kg). The vet said we could do tests if he dropped below 1 kg. Well, he did.

I brought him to a different vet who accepted Care Credit and I've had a good experience with in the past. He did blood tests on him and when he was under anesthesia inspected his back molars, which looked fine (two different vets looked at them), and gave his front teeth a little trim. That was about a week and a half ago. The blood tests came back normal, other than his liver enzymes, which were elevated. He did say that it could be secondary, and that liver disease was common in guinea pigs--but I think it's secondary. I don't know why he stopped eating though. This new vet who saw him said that even if we did x-rays or an ultrasound on his liver, there probably isn't anything we can do. I'm not ready to lose another pig--he's been so healthy and could have another two years given his age.

It is important to add that he is a single pig, because he is aggressive towards other guinea pigs, but he is in the same room as my two other bonded pigs (that's where Stewie lived before he passed away), and they're in my living room/office where I am most of the time. They have large C&C's--Louie's is a 4x2, and cages are cleaned every 3 days and spot cleaned as needed. The environment is clean, warm, and safe. I didn't make any changes with Louie before this happened--no new food, bedding, arrangements, nothing.

I need a second opinion. I did find a vet with a zoologist near me who can see him Monday, and they are highly recommended for small pets. While I do have Care Credit, money is still tight for me, and I only want to see another vet if there's really nothing I can do.

Aside from teeth/malocclusion, what else can cause a healthy pig to stop eating? What options do I have?

Anything helps! Thank you!

Hi and welcome!

I am so sorry that it is happening for you all at the same time. :(

There is a lot that can cause loss of appetite without any other obvious symptoms. At the bottom is in most cases either a mechanical failure or a pain/discomfort problem (inlcuding organ failure).
Mystery loss of appetite/weight loss can be very hard to diagnose. I have had anything from a GI stasis (the guts stopping to work), blockage of the gut, dental root abscesses, bloated stomach (but normal gut), 'silent' bladder stones without any other symptoms suddenly causing major pain to internal tumours - and my own experiences over the years are only covering a section of what can be behind it. :(

Please step in with syringe feeding support asap. Your care in that respect is absolutely vital and can make the difference in keep a piggy alive until it can be diagnosed and any treatment can kick in.
Take the time to read our guides; they have been specifically written for inexperienced owners. You can always feed mushed up pellets in an emergency as long as you cut off the syringe tip as shown in our guide.
Not Eating, Weight Loss And The Importance Of Syringe Feeding Fibre
Complete Syringe Feeding Guide
Administering Medications And Syringe Feed
 
Thank you for your response. Should I force feed him even if though he’s eating on his own? He is a fighter—literally. I can’t even give him a tasty probiotic. I don’t want to stress him out in his fragile state. He doesn’t want critical care anymore but he was eating it for a few days.
 
Thank you for your response. Should I force feed him even if though he’s eating on his own? He is a fighter—literally. I can’t even give him a tasty probiotic. I don’t want to stress him out in his fragile state. He doesn’t want critical care anymore but he was eating it for a few days.

Please monitor his weight by weighing once daily at the same time, like before you feed him his dinner. This allows you to adjust any top up feed as when you need to. If he is not keen on probiotics or critical care (which many piggies aren't), try mushed up pellets or a mix of critical care and mushed up pellets mixed in with probiotics added as well. I find that the familiar taste goes down better. For details see out syringe feeding guide. Keep in mind that over 80% of the daily food intake is hay, which you cannot control by eye, but which is often the first food group that is dropped.
 
I uploaded his lab results here
 

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I know how to syringe feed pigs, and I will offer him more pellet mash (I have done that before but I really want to encourage him to eat hard foods as much as possible to keep his teeth filed down so he can use a water bottle), but my main question is:

what should I ask the vet to do? What else can be done?
 
Please monitor his weight by weighing once daily at the same time, like before you feed him his dinner. This allows you to adjust any top up feed as when you need to. If he is not keen on probiotics or critical care (which many piggies aren't), try mushed up pellets or a mix of critical care and mushed up pellets mixed in with probiotics added as well. I find that the familiar taste goes down better. For details see out syringe feeding guide. Keep in mind that over 80% of the daily food intake is hay, which you cannot control by eye, but which is often the first food group that is dropped.
I made another pellet mash--I use Gerber baby food (usually carrot or apple), put a few days worth of pellets, and the softer leaves of timothy hay and mash it up and he's currently eating some.
 
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