Mad and upset with the rescue of the 300 piggies.

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zombieprincess said:
The RSPCA don't even have thorough follow up on people who are banned, so why someone who isn't? I've volenteered for the RSPCA and they never struck me as anything to be impressed by. I would write a letter complaining, not being specific of the case, but voicing your concerns.

If you've read the other thread sue you will be pleased to know that the worst cases (health wise) are no longer in her posession, so any piggies going out again will not be in the way they were when you helped out previously. To clear up she has not been breeding, all of her guinea pigs were in single sex groups, only one was pregnant and that was from a large group she had been given by an 'retiring' breeder. Some were Ill and it had appeared that she was doing her best to care for them in her situation.

She is now placed on wood green's outchreach scheme, where she WILL have people constantly check up on her for the future and support from the team there.

I am not one to often take offence to comments such as this, and i understand we are all passionate about the welfare of animals, however making a comment like that about a person you have not met, who quite frankly i feel is not a vintictave or cruel person, but is actually quite vunerable is un called for in my opinion.

I feel sue's original post was not to talk about the owner but how she feels the RSPCA have let more guinea-pigs down there they could have avoided it.
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I did not realise she was not breeding the guinea pigs. No need to pull my post apart as you can clearly see I was upset and just care about the welfare of the animals. I had no idea the woman was vulnerable either.
 
Helen i used to foster buns for south beds rspca, i did homechecks, ran it when manager was away etc. They were the good side of the rspca, they did wanders for the rabbits. However that is where my loyalties stay,the rest of the rspca i have lost all respect for.
 
Thats terrible. You must feel very betrayed. I've always found the RSPCA alright. I never realised they took credit for other peoples work.

I only hope you can complain to someone and make the RSPCA change. It may be hard but who enforces the bans if not them?

Amy
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i've always wandered when someone gets a ban from keeping any animals of any kind how do they check they not getting any? This sort of ban can be for a lifetime or ten years, do they go round every so often for ten years or stop going after a while?
 
I must admit I have never been impressed with the RSPCA. Yes some do their job well and help to protect animal welfare but I have also seen the side where they just try to make themselves look good and don't bother to go through things thoroughly and with regular checkups :/
 
I can fully understand why you are mad. The woman should have been left with no guinea pigs or if they did they should have left her with 6 all of the same sex and not leave her in a position where she could let them breed all over again! What a ridiculous theory that after allowing the breeding to extent she did previously without seeking help she wouldn't go and do it again mallethead
 
sue 1974 said:
i've always wandered when someone gets a ban from keeping any animals of any kind how do they check they not getting any? This sort of ban can be for a lifetime or ten years, do they go round every so often for ten years or stop going after a while?
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Sadly there is no cohesive approach by any agency to check on people who have received banning orders.

Very many animals suffer because when they are found to have breached the ban the case has to go back through the courts which can take ( as was in my experience) over two years to reach any conclusion. Our legal system makes it a very complicated and drawn out affair. :(

I really wish the courts would order the destruction of animal housing as part of the order. It wouldn't of course stop everyone but when the animals are removed and over 100 hutches are left empty it's made easier for the hoarder to acquire yet more animals.

Sadly hoarding is as a result of mental health issues and ongoing support and monitoring is essential if further animal neglect is to be avoided.



I would strongly suggest a letter to be sent to the RSPCA to inform them of the current situation and the history behind it. They won't act upon it but it will be held in their files should any issues arise in the future.
 
Oh how awful Sue, I can see why you are so mad and upset.

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I haven't had time to read all of the posts here but could we please not bring this to the attention of the RSPCA. From my dealings of them, if they were to get involved the pigs would be destroyed as they dont have the resources to house this number. This would of happened with a rescue of 200 that I was involved in about 4 years ago in Chippenham.
Wood Green and Heathlands are doing a good job of getting the piggies out and also looking after the piggies which are still at the property. Wood Green will be monitoring the property and the piggies. The hutches I can confirm are being taken away as soon as the piggies are put in carriers.

Any other rescues who can help out by taking any of the piggies that are left, its all boars in singles or pairs please do contact me. Mine and Sharon's (piggy bank co-ordinator) aim is to get the remaining piggies out within the next 9 days and into rescue spaces or fosterers homes linked with rescues.
 
CrawleyGuineaPigRescue said:
I haven't had time to read all of the posts here but could we please not bring this to the attention of the RSPCA. From my dealings of them, if they were to get involved the pigs would be destroyed as they dont have the resources to house this number. This would of happened with a rescue of 200 that I was involved in about 4 years ago in Chippenham.
Wood Green and Heathlands are doing a good job of getting the piggies out and also looking after the piggies which are still at the property. Wood Green will be monitoring the property and the piggies. The hutches I can confirm are being taken away as soon as the piggies are put in carriers.

Any other rescues who can help out by taking any of the piggies that are left, its all boars in singles or pairs please do contact me. Mine and Sharon's (piggy bank co-ordinator) aim is to get the remaining piggies out within the next 9 days and into rescue spaces or fosterers homes linked with rescues.
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I will be ringing Maria at WG on Monday as i can take some.
 
I'm appalled :x

I wish you all the best in rescuing and rehoming these poor little babies XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
 
CrawleyGuineaPigRescue said:
I haven't had time to read all of the posts here but could we please not bring this to the attention of the RSPCA. From my dealings of them, if they were to get involved the pigs would be destroyed as they dont have the resources to house this number. This would of happened with a rescue of 200 that I was involved in about 4 years ago in Chippenham.
Wood Green and Heathlands are doing a good job of getting the piggies out and also looking after the piggies which are still at the property. Wood Green will be monitoring the property and the piggies. The hutches I can confirm are being taken away as soon as the piggies are put in carriers.

Any other rescues who can help out by taking any of the piggies that are left, its all boars in singles or pairs please do contact me. Mine and Sharon's (piggy bank co-ordinator) aim is to get the remaining piggies out within the next 9 days and into rescue spaces or fosterers homes linked with rescues.
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I am not suggesting for one moment the RSPCA take over the rescue which is already underway and I'm fully aware of how these situations are handled by them. They wouldn't intervene at this stage anyway.

However, should future legal action become necessary the more fact based/ witness evidence they hold on file the quicker the situation can be dealt with. I feel it is appropriate in these circumstances for them to be notified even if it is after the rescue has taken place. They are the only body in a position to take legal action.

Jenny - I resent the implication that I am naive enough to put the lives of the guinea pigs at risk and into the hands of the rspca.

I am stating my overall view of a difficult situation which of course may well reoccur next year. My understanding is that there are currently no steps being taken to formally ban her from housing more animals. That may have to change in future.
 
This is just awful and i am admire everyone involved for helping.This type of breeder is the worst kind and rescues do pick up the pieces.One of the worst cases i had was Jessica a piggie in a terrible condition taken from a breeder who was....packing it in and needed help.
I was new to rescue at that time and helped out.Jessica was lovely but so emaciated and had pus pouring from her urethra,the vet said it was the worst untreated infection they had seen.We cared for her for 5 days,she was warm ,loved,given a friend,went on the lawn,had toys and passed away peacefully in my arms,it still upsets me.And yes you guessed the lady in question carried on i found out...infact a friend told me through the grapevine she had just wanted to cut back and concentrate on long hairs.She is on preloved and i noticed now offers boar pairs....donation welcome for her work !
 
I believe it was said that she wasn't a breeder and just got them from sites like preloved and hoarded them. It was suggested she liked the thrill of getting a new piggy.

She was seemingly blind to her problem.

Amy
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The Potteries Guinea Pig Rescue said:
This is just awful and i am admire everyone involved for helping.This type of breeder is the worst kind and rescues do pick up the pieces.One of the worst cases i had was Jessica a piggie in a terrible condition taken from a breeder who was....packing it in and needed help.
I was new to rescue at that time and helped out.Jessica was lovely but so emaciated and had pus pouring from her urethra,the vet said it was the worst untreated infection they had seen.We cared for her for 5 days,she was warm ,loved,given a friend,went on the lawn,had toys and passed away peacefully in my arms,it still upsets me.And yes you guessed the lady in question carried on i found out...infact a friend told me through the grapevine she had just wanted to cut back and concentrate on long hairs.She is on preloved and i noticed now offers boar pairs....donation welcome for her work !
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Really? I've seen a few adverts on there - you have to be so careful now...
It's so hard to actually pick out which adverts are from the breeders and which are actually people trying to find a better, loving home for their guinea pigs. It is still wrong, both ways. If you are going to get a pet - you need to be prepared and think about whether you are going to move etc.

I just feel so sorry for the poor piggies. No matter if they are being bred or having to be sold because their owner can't look after them - it's the pigs that are suffering. It's so unfair - there are so many guinea pigs out there in rescues - people don't need to create more problems by breeding, especially in large numbers. :(
 
Methinks RSPCA are sometimes restricted by "human rights",what about animal rights!
 
Sorry to hear about this Sue - I think that the RSPCA can be very variable. There are some excellent local branches out there, but I agree that the seriously let the guinea pigs and the lady down on this one.

I have no doubts that hoarding is a mental health issue - it's an extension of what many of us have probably done when seeing nice piggie in the rescue and rehoming section, but with a much lower level of impulse control. So I'll end up with a rodent room with 10 small and furries, but she ended up with 300. She really does need some help or she may just start again. But she would have to recognise it as a problem and ask for help.

Paula
 
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I keep checking the forum for updates on this massive operation (well done all those who have dropped everything at a minutes notice and assisted, you're all Angels in disguise xoxo)
I wish sooo much that any person/s who are investigated are monitored closely (almost like a probation ?/) but this is asking for the impossible dream :...
It breaks my heart hearing of atrocities like this albeit this person had her uncontrollable habits known to the RSPCA, she slipped through the net at a cost to other already stretched rescues :{
 
Just scooting back to RSPCA, I have had so many dealings with London and Cambridge RSPCA where they have left very sick animals continue to live with some sick and twisted people with court given animal banning orders. raised one numerous times for an emancipated dog whose owner had a 10 year animal banning order. Officers came out and said they had no record, I showed them the orders we had on file, they were not satisfied!

The Amersham horse rescue is another that annoyed me. Mostly rehomed and cared by rescues, the RSPCA fundraiser for themselves implying the funding will go to the horses care, when it's read properly it just goes to the general RSPCA fund.
 
This is one of the reasons I refuse now to donate to the RSPCA. You hear story after story about how they let animals down time and time again. I prefer to donate to people who do all the work in the background as this lady has, far, far more worthy. They are the same with the horses, same old story.

They came to my door begging for donations the other day, I enjoyed telling them what i thought about them pow-pow..
 
I just wish they realised how people felt about them! They seem blind to it even if you feed it back to them. makes me so mad. mallethead
 
The sad reality is, from my limited knowledge of other animal communities (even dogs and cats etc) Most people fully involved in rescue say the same thing - At the end of the day they dont do as much good as they should! I have never donated to the RSPCA, when i donate i like to make sure i know exactly where the money is going :)
 
The RSPCA are a pathetic excuse for a charity. From the outside it looks like a large organisation, in reality it is a group of what are essentially franchises. Each run differently, to varying degrees of success. From what I have heard, if a local branch goes under, the head office won't help them out and they would have to close down. The charity shops raise money that mostly goes to head office, not much of it goes to the local animals. They are just a name, a word that has no actual meaning anymore.
 
It has been bought to my attention that some people have taken this thread the wrong way and feel that i am having a go at this lady for the situation she is in. As i have already stated on here twice, she is a really nice lady and cared for her piggies the best she could. At first i found her hard to get hold of and she would email me at 2 in the morning, this is because she was outside feeding them all. So yes she did look after them the best she could.
This thread was only ever aimed at the RSPCA as they i feel are the ones that let her down.

So i am going to take a break from the forum for a while as i feel a little upset by this, if anyone need to contact me then please do so through my website. Thanks.
Admin PLEASE CLOSE THREAD,THanks
 
Arghhhhh don't even get me started on the bloomin RSPCA!

I took dog out of a neighbours garden several years ago and took it to a local vet as it was in appalling condition. The RSPCA were called to investigate.. and took 3 days to turn up to the vets to look at the dog. The dog was put to sleep as "too old and far gone". They managed to prosecute my neighbour but allowed them to keep one other dog. We have never seen the RSPCA keep an eye on my neighbour or follow up on my complaints that they now have four dogs that bark constantly, fight a lot and are also left alone in the house for a week at a time (which is now fire damaged and not habitable by humans).

We also have a lot of problems here on Bodmin/Dartmoor moor with the hill ponies. Some are badly neglected or involved in RTA's and the RSPCA won't help so other smaller charities (and much financially worse off) are left to mop up.

I also read a very good book by the Blue Cross recently. It details the work that they did during the WW1, in between and during WW2. It seems the Blue Cross had to help animals that were not helped by the RSPCA so shows that they have been the same way since the 1930s!

Rant over.... Well done to you for all your hard work. At least we all know the truth!;)
 
Blimey the poor girl collecting for the RSPCA got her ear right chewed off last time she called at my house!
I have NEVER had any good dealings with them but amazing dealings with much smaller rescues that do a huge amount of good with very little funds and resources.
 
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