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I thought I would introduce Maisy and Daisy to this lovely forum, but since I typed this yesterday, I have just not had time to attach any pics, but will do my best tonight to add them. Maisy is the Mum and Daisy is the daughter.

I adopted these little beauties last October. Was told they’re about 3-4 years old, but I don’t know if this is true, and that Daisy (black one) was the Mum and Maisy was the daughter, but we don’t think this is the case. They were originally residing in a special needs school, as stimulation for the kids, but cutting a long story short, we said we would have them for the half term period, (my son wanted guinea pigs at that time, so we thought it would be good practice), we fell in love with them and it turned out that we could keep them if we wanted.

They were quite ‘fatty’ piggies when we received them, but I think they were just fed on cheap hay, some complete dry food and that was that. Don’t think they’d ever been out of their cage, if they had, it would have been for a very short time and not very often.

Anyway, up until a month ago, all was well……….

Then one weekend, Daisy seemed to be off her food, retiring to the back of the box in the cage and then had diarrhoea and what looked like, blood stained urine.

Took her to the vets, vet examined her and said she could feel a lump on her right side. Gave her a scan and it showed that she had a cyst on her right ovary and a little stone in her bladder.

I couldn’t think straight at that time about what to do, not having any experience with piggies etc. The vet gave fibreplex just to get Daisy’s gut moving along and said bring her back in a week! I was quite shocked at the time period and said, oh I’m going to worry if I leave it that long, I think I should bring her back sooner. So, this was the Monday and I took her back in on the Wednesday.

There was no change, she wasn’t eating, but became very clingy toward me, (which was very sweet…….she just wanted to curl up in between the crook of my neck and hair, aww).

Another long story short, we were given the option to either have her put to sleep or do the op and remove the cyst and stone. I felt she had to have a chance, as with putting her to sleep, she wouldn’t have a chance, so along with my hubby, we agreed to go ahead with the op.

Post operative care has been very, very tiresome, worrying and difficult, ie in knowing what’s right and wrong and if we’re doing it right or giving enough attention etc.

Daisy is so tiny. When I had them first, Maisy weighed in at 1350g and Daisy 1.1kg. Daisy was, as at Wednesday, just 800g. I weighed her yesterday on 2 different scales, as mine is not particularly reliable and it varied from just over 700g to just under 800g. I’m getting very paranoid, upset etc and don’t know what to do for the best.

When she had her check up last Wednesday, one of the very good vets said she was 800g and that we need her back up to the 1000, (easy said that done though). If she goes below, bring her back and we can offer a food supplement. Vet also said in conversation that as she has had a “hysterectomyâ€, it’s going to take a while for her to become strong etc, same as it would for a woman. But, when she said hysterectomy, I was aghast, as there hasn’t been any mention of that up until that day. Nobody told us she had it all taken away. If I remember that day, the vet said that they usually remove it all, in case it occurs again, but she mentioned so much as our little Yorkshire terrier Ozzy had been in that day for a biopsy, that I couldn’t take it all in. I’m guessing now that she has no hormones…? Will check tonight at her appointment. (Updated at end of post).

So, I’ve made an appointment for later today, (I worry so much).

She is eating, though doesn’t hardly eat the hay. I have Countrywide’s Meadow hay, which they’ve both been on since we’ve had them. Their coats have become very very shiny since we’ve had them, only because my friend (who told us about the piggies and, who had seen them many times at the school), said that their coats were not in that condition before. Since Daisy’s illness, the vet said to keep trying with the hay, good quality hay etc…….I’ve bought the Burgess hay with dandelion in, (apparently during her stay at the vets, they would get her freshly picked dandy leaves every day as this seemed to kick start her gut, plus she gained weight too). I’ve tried different makes of hay too.

We’ve been given vit c tablets for Daisy and she is to have an eighth of a tablet per day, dissolved in water. By gum, it sure is a testing time trying to syringe this into her little mouth. (Btw, thank you to whoever it was who did the article on syringe feeding with pics, it was very helpful). She starts to struggle after the first 1.0ml’s worth and I hate it then, because I don’t want to hear her whimper.

I managed to get 4mls on Saturday eve, then only 3mls yest. Just wish there was an easier way. I’ve tried dipping some fruit/veg into the vit c liquid so hopefully this has helped too. She used to love red pepper, which I’ve read is high in vit c, but lately only eats a little nibble’s worth.

I’ve bought a run and a lovely primrose cottage hutch for them a while back, (it’s a double decker), as I thought it would be nice for them to have more space come the summer. I still want them in come the evening, we’ve been so used to speaking and checking on them, (they sleep in the kitchenette on the work top (which isn’t used for anything, just has little tv on it when we eat our tea LOL). So it works out fine then see.

Since we’ve had the odd day of warmer weather, we’ve put them on the garden in the run. They were a bit shocked at first lol, as they’ve never seen grass before, bless ‘them. Yesterday, Daisy had a nibble on the grass every now and again. I took hay out too, water and their complete food to have a nibble.

Daisy has been sniffing Maisy’s bum and eating her poo sometimes. I’m guessing this is because she’s lacking certain nutrients……….or am I wrong? Any advice will be appreciated.

So, all in all, poor Daisy has had a run of it. She is and always has been very quiet, never had “big†poos, (vets are keeping on about how her poos should be bigger), but they’ve never been the usual/typical “bullet†shaped), plus she’s never drank much water, not as much as Maisy. She will get through ¾ ‘s of a 500ml bottle in 3 days sometimes. (Maybe that’s not good, I don’t know).

I am sorry to ramble on, but I feel that this is a lovely place, with lots of information and helpful advice.

Everyone who knows about Maisy and Daisy have said that they are having 5* service with us, compared to their life before. I am a terrible worrier and what with the troubles that life throws upon us to begin with, when Daisy struck poorly, it just all erupted and I became very run down a couple of weeks ago. I’ve been so distraught over her and the separation from her Mum, together with poor Ozzy being poorly too. We have them out each evening on stacks of newspaper, in the lounge with a little barrier around them, and they love it, they wander around, wee and poo.

UPDATE: Daisy weighed in at 730g, but the lovely vet who checked her over said, yes, she has dropped since last week and although her ‘poos’ are still not ‘normal’, she has done so well to get this far. I was told to continue as I was doing already and to get her to eat grass etc, hay and the usual veg that she has already. He examined her and she didn’t wince when he felt her abdomen. She hobbled back into her carrier, (I say hobble because she seems to be a little stiff in the back end, whether that’s due to the op or not, I don’t know), but she does use both legs. She started nibbling one of these long treats that are stuffed with grass mixed with dandelion or mint etc. She had not touched it for 2 days, then lo and behold she grabbed hold of it, almost as if to show off to the vet, that “hey, look at me, I’m fineâ€, lol. It was unbelievable.

She also did a wee, which, with the quick reaction from the vet, he scooped a bit up through a tiny syringe. I mentioned about her urine being concentrated and orangey/dark colour, as I was concerned about her bladder/blood in urine and possible infection. He tested it though and it was fine………….PHEW!

He said to keep going, it will take a long time, but to give her 2-3 weeks and keep a check on her weight. I said I was paranoid about this, so he said check her twice a week.

Should she lose more, he said they can do various blood tests and/or the other option would be to open her up again (which he wasn’t inclined on doing and I agreed too), and to see if there are any adhesions, which can sometimes cause the gut to not function properly.

So…………..he seemed pleased with her, considering how little she is and he said if I had not said about her weight at the start of bringing her there, ie 1.12kg, then I guess they would have thought she wouldn’t have been much more than 800g, or they wouldn’t have had anything to go by.

I picked some grass this lunch time and washed it, then gave it to her and she ate it all, (only a small handful though).

I thank you very much for taking the time to read this massive essay (LOL), it really does mean a lot to me. I just felt that I could off load, tell you the story to date, so you would have a clear picture in your mind.

Any advice, criticism, tips you have to offer, just say whatever, I will be grateful to receive it. Again, so sorry for all this info, plus I’ve only been a member 5 minutes, but I’m just so taken with these piggies and so worried about Daisy.

Thanks again,

Beth XX
 
Welcome to the forum :) I would say that is the longest post from a new member ever :(|). But that's not a bad thing :)) Just wondering - do you have a vet that specializes in exotic pets? You need a cavy savy vet. Also, you should not be putting vitamin c tablets in the water. Here this is a quote from GuineaLynx :

"Do not add vitamin C to the water.

-Water is vital to good health but because vitamin C changes the flavor, they may drink less.
-Ascorbic acid degrades rapidly once added to water.
-Some cavies drink a lot and some very little, so it is impossible to know how much vitamin C your pet is getting."

Um..what else...I just want to say, don't give up! Daisy needs you - do not put to sleep unless she is in any pain! :( Sending Daisy healing vibes, and hope she will get better. x

OH and I forgot to ask, what vegetables are you giving? Some veggies that are high in Vitamin C are peppers! I believe red peppers have the most Vitamin C? Someone correct me if I am wrong.
 
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Aww, thank you I love Gilbert, for your reply.

I did enquire about Exotic vets.........not sure if these are though. Though, saying that, when I had an invoice from them on weekend, it did mention Exotic vets within Daisy's treatment, so don't know if that means anything.

Vet I saw yesterday has had lots of experience with nursing sick piggies and I mentioned about whether Daisy may be in pain and he didn't think she was.

About the red peppers and vit c, yes, I've heard that they are tops with the content. Also read that Guava are too, but I've tried the appropriate types just to see what they both like/dislike.

I also said that putting vit c tabs in water is a waste of time, in addition to it being a waste of time in Daisy's case because she rarely drinks. Her mum is the thlurper. ;)

Thank you again. :)
 
I am so sorry about your trouble! It was good that you insisted on going back, as that first vet was obviously not good at all.

Daisy has obviously had a spay, which is indeed a removal of the female organs. It is the standard procedure in case of ovarian cysts for most vets. Considering that it was in conjunction with a bladder op as well, your girl has been through the wars indeed!

Appetite can be slow to return, and from a certain age onwards, it can be difficult to recover the weight fully.

In view of the ongoing weight loss, there is certainly a problem and she is obviously not eating enough. You might have to resort to syringe her extra, hay based food, Critical Care or Science Recovery which you can get either over the internet or from your vet. Both feeds are hay based and come in powdered form which you mix with water.

Make sure that she also has enough to drink in view of her bladder stone. Syringing her unsweetend cranberry juice instead of vitamin C tablets is better. It also contains a lot of vitamin C but also prevents bacteria from clinging to the bladder wall and hence helping with preventing an infection.

Here are some informative threads:
http://www.guinealynx.info/stones.html
http://www.guinealynx.info/uti.html (for cranberry juice)
(The balanced diet mentioned on there has been worked out by Laura into a menu plan: http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=37030 )
http://www.guinealynx.info/ovarian_cysts.html
http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=31509 (sows and boars after neutering)

Please weigh Daisy daily. How long is it since her operation? You haven't made that clear.
 
Thank you Wiebke.

Daisy's op was on March 24th.

I don't know where to start.........I've gathered that with certain vets, they don't like being given information from elsewhere and I'm becoming nervous and paranoid as to whether to suggest this or that.

Should I go ahead and just try the suggestions in your post, or would it be best to let Vet know what I'm doing? Arghh, I just want what will make or help to improve her recovery.

I mentioned this critical care food etc but they said that timothy hay is very good and that you know fresh hay when you smell it.

I will order whatever now if I thought it would be ok, without having to make every little trip to the vets to have her checked on.
 
I've read the links that you have given Wiebke and I can't thank you enough or this forum for your help.

I am really distraught over her, worried like anything and will do what it takes to help her.

Because I don't know much about these piggies, I am just taking on what people tell me, I don't want to see what happens with Daisy, if I can get x,y or z for her then I will. Only thing is, she gets quite stressed with the old syringe feeding, this is the problem see.

I have Oceanspray Cranberry LIGHT at home. How much should I try in a 1.0ml syringe?
 
Hi Beth
Sorry to read about Daisy, encouraging a sick piggy to eat is often frustrating but can be achieved.

Vit C tablets can be given straight into the mouth, i give any of my sick pigs a 60mg tablet which they will crunch if you get it in the right place, if not they spit it back out but keep trying.

Metatone tonic can help stimulate appetite as can Milk Thistle. Metatone is given at 0.5ml for one week followed by 0.3ml the second week & is avail in chemists & supermarkets. It is for humans :)
http://www.boots.com/en/Metatone-Or...-_---_-Metatone Original Flavour Tonic 500ml

Milk Thistle is avail in health shops & Wilkinsons, I gave 1/4 tablet daily.

Probiotic is also useful to help restore the natural gut flora. You can get this online or Pets at Home sell one (Vet Ark Pro C). http://www.petsathome.com/shop/proc-probiotic-100gm-by-vetark-15796
This can be syringed in or offered via her water bottle; some pigs will drink easier if you offer their bottle as opposed to syringe feeding.
If she likes probiotic you can also sprinkle it onto her veggies/grass.

Are they fed a pellet diet? If so you can soften them with warm water; she may be tempted by them being warmed (of course there's no guarantee :( )

Was any pain relief given by your vet? Piggies don't do well with pain & can & will stop eating if they are in discomfort.
 
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Have you been given a probiotic by your vet to counter the effect of the antibiotic on Daisy's guts? Baytril can be quite harsh for some piggies and can cause mushy poo and a diminished appetite.

Just as much as she will drink (usually not more than 10ml in one sitting, that is about a bladder full), in an acute cystitis up to 50ml a day. It might be advisable to give a half juice/half water mix.

I will pm Laura to have a look at your thread as well as soon as possible. She'll see things that I do not know and can help advise you on what to feed Daisy. However, I think that in view of her dramatic weight loss, you have to start syringe feeding her.

I must admit that I am not very impressed with your vets; a combined bladder/spay operation is about as big as an op can get. Unless her ovarian cyst was VERY big, it wouldn't have been necessary. You should have been given more info. perhaps looking for an exotics specialist in within reach may be a good thing.
 
Hi Niki and thank you for your feedback. :)

Yes, Daisy was given Baytril (antibiotic) and Metacalm initially for the first 2-3 weeks. Plus, she spent 2-3 days for 2 occasions with the vets to give her a head start.

After reading one of the links a second time, I feel silly now suggesting Oceanspray Cranberry juice, sorry. :red How could I be so daft?

Wiebke, we were give Fibreplex initially, but have not used it for about 2 weeks.

I believe we have a specialist vet in Cardiff, which is about a 60 mile round trip.
 
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If she is eating the other piggy's poos then this is a very good thing. She will gain minerals and good bacteria from them...like a natural probiotic to help her gut. Please encourage this or even mix crushed poos from your other piggy in with her syringe feed. I can really recommend the critical sachets as a dietary supplement for a healing piggy. If she dislikes syringe feeding and simply won't then try mixing the critical care mix up as a warm soup and simply placing into the hutch like that - one of mine who hated being fed it through a syringe was perfectly happy to slurp it at her own rate.

That is a seriously big op and my Carmina (who was four at the time) is only just picking up in weight and has never regained the 100g she lost at the time of her spaying op (which was about a year ago). So don't fret too much about the lost weight from the time of the op, just keep an eye on it now because it should have stabilised and remain where it is while she does deep tissue healing. Any gain in weight is a plus, any further loss should be mentioned to the vet. And deep tissue healing does take a fair while, six weeks in a human, not sure in a piggy, so give her plenty of time to get back to her normal self.

Hope this helps, Sarah
 
Hi. How great that you have given these girls such a loving home. I hope Daisy starts to feel better soon, she's been through a lot.

Don't feel silly about asking anything. The forum is a great place for getting advice on pretty much everything guinea pig.
I think the Ocean Spray Light cranberry juice is the right one. As long as it is unsweetened it should be fine. I had a quick search and found this thread to check.
http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=47208&highlight=ocean+spray+light

Sending big hugs for you and your girls. xx>>>
 
Morning, I can't thank you all enough. You are brill people and I'm so grateful that I've found you. ^)

I gave both Daisy and Maisy some dandy lion leaves yest evening that a colleague had picked from the garden. I washed them thoroughly (I even wash our grass), :)) and I gave Daisy about 5-6, 2-3 inch lengths of leaves. She ate them at her own pace, (seems to be slower since the op!), then not long after, say about 40 mins, she had kind of sludgy poo, but since her op she tends to raise to poo/wee, but then sits on it and doesn't move away. I don't think it was the dandy leaves, but it certainly wasn't diarrhea, so whether she'd weed as well and that made it softer, I don't know. Maisy munched lots and was fine.

I bathed her bum in some aloe vera shampoo for piggies, only about an inch or so of warm water, but she wasn't so sure about this, so I dried her. Took forever. Also noticed that her knees are balding slightly, whether this is from having no hormones (as he coat is molting more, though Maisy's is too?), or whether it's from her sitting all the time. She can walk, but I'm wondering if it's because she's stiff from the op. Questions, questions....

I syringed her 3 mls water last night and gave 1 ml of fibreplex. HATES the syringing though, even bit down hard on the quick on my thumb, ouch.

I got up at 3.20 am to check her, she was in her igloo. Nothing had been eaten. I got her out, popped some hot water on her Wagg crunch, let it cool and she ate/nibble about 3-4 mouthfuls. She then went over to her hay and started nibbling that, I was quite chuffed. This was about 4am, so I stayed for 10 more minutes and she munched the whole of that time. Not sure if she continued after I'd gone though. No poos in night.

Ate her little tiny carrot this morning, but didn't want tiny bit broccoli, or kale, or red pepper. I did crush an 1/8th vit c tablet over it and swished it in the residing water, but nope, she must have knew. So I rinsed it all off, but still wouldn't touch it, just went over and buried her head in the hay.

I feel helpless whilst at work, as she is on her own and Maisy is too. I go home at 1 for 40 mins, so can only check on her then. My son is home at 4 from school, so that's all we can do when working.

I feel she is fine, bu that it's just going to be very very slow. We've spent nearly £280 so far. I don't care, but when funds are limited, you can only do so much. I just want to keep her well and help her gain some weight, so, whatever it takes.

Plus our little Ozzy (yorkie) has just had a biopsy done, as he's had high temperature and swollen lymph glands all over. But, thank the lord that the results say NO CANCER/LYMPHOMA, as it was likely, but he's got a very bad infection, but not one of the lethal ones, and is on Synulox for another 3 weeks. Cor, what a worry with them all, eh?

Thanks again girls. x>>
 
Worries never seem to come of their own...

Make sure that you give Daisy more of the pellet slugde at lunch time; little but often seems to work better with many piggy struggling piggies - the more you get into her the better. Perhaps trying to place the vitamin C straight in her mouth as Niki suggested?

The amount of poo reflects the intake of food; she hasn't been eating much yesterday, obviously. Make sure that you weigh her daily and that you give her water as well so she doesn't dehydrate.
 
Thank you Wiebke. I was braved and weighed her this morning. JUST about 700g, (was 730 at vets on Mon), but if I only knock the scales, it can shift an ounce or two, either way. Maybe I should get a digital one for precision?

Is the WAGG crunch good for piggies? I have 2 others at home, but she seems to prefer the yellow flakes and green mushy pea ones the best. It's so hard to know, isn't it?
 
Welcome to the forum, I am sorry things have been so tough lately for your little Daisy!

My first thought was pain relief - a pig in enough pain will lose their appetite. Daisy had a big operation, she's going to be very sore for a while. What dose of Metacam was she on, and is she still on it?

I agree that syringe-feeding is important as she's not very interested in eating and is losing weight, and do keep tempting her with all her favourite foods. Try new brands of dry food - plain nugget feeds if you can as they're generally considered "healthier" for piggies - and also new brands and types of hay. If you can get hold of some Oxbow hay, any of the types (Timothy and Orchard Grass being the most popular), that usually goes down a treat. Herbal hays like VitaKraft VitaVerde are also often enjoyed. Alfalfa King is a bit like Oxbow, incredibly green and sweet.

What you are aiming to do is stimulate her appetite and her interest in food again. Metatone tonic, as Niki mentioned, may help alongside the offers of tasty new foods.

What sort of cage and bedding is she currently in/on, and is she living with Maisy again yet? The patches of hair loss on the legs could be down to inactivity, and the hair being rubbed away by the constant contact with the body/bedding.

There are a lot of things to think about here without even getting down to the specific illnesses e.g. spay/hormones and the bladder stone - specific advice will apply to these but for the moment, the immediate issue of weight loss and low appetite needs to be tackled, as if it's not halted soon then it's going to be tricky acheiving anything else.
 
Just wanted to say welcome to the Forum! I agree that you're doing a lovely thing for Daisy & Maisy, giving them a wonderful new life with the proper care and attention they deserve. Well done you! :)

You've had fab advice here. It can't be easy dealing with so many issues (and you're doing a brilliant job, by the sounds of it) so just keep asking away!

I'm a bit confused about what "dry" food you're giving Maisy at the moment (Sorry, trying to do two things at once and probably not reading everything properly!) Are you syringe feeding her a mushy paste made by putting hot water on plain brown pellet/nugget food?

Lots of people give their guinea pigs the muesli mix type food (like Wagg Crunch) as their normal dry food, but it's the plain brown nugget food (like Burgess Excel) which works best for making up a syringe feed. Sorry if I'm getting the wrong end of the stick!

Btw It is a great idea to try different foods but just be careful about switching dry food too quickly, as it sometimes can upset tummies if you just stop one and start another straight away. If you can, I'd change over gradually, over a few days, especially as Daisy may already have a delicate tum.

Really hope Daisy perks up soon x
 
Thank you both Laura and Missy.

Laura - Daisy isn't on any pain relief at present. Vet didn't seem to think she was in pain. (I know no different though, but wonder if she is in pain, as occasionally she whimpers when picking her up!).

Where can I buy some of the types of hay mentioned pleased?

I've got Burgess Dandelion and Timothy hay, it's a kind of softer hay, more greeny colour. She just isn't fussed for any of the 3 types I have bought recently.

Also have Pets at Home's Herby Harvest, and Countrywides big big of Meadow unchopped hay, which they both love, or at least, before the op, Daisy loved too.

Missy - My mother-in-law gave me some of the Orange Burgess Excel bag of small khaki coloured pellets to try, but Daisy wasn't fussed.

Shall I soak a handful of these though and see if she attempts to eat it herself first, failing that, I can try the dreaded syringing. Hate upsetting her, she really doesn't like it. Plus, don't want to upset her tum either.

I am using a 1.0ml syringe, how many should I attempt, depending on her willingness to take?

The weight needs to be increased and she needs to eat more, I agree with everything that's been said, wish I had you all here to help, that would be wonderful, plus it would be lovely seeing everyone too and little piggies aswell. :)
 
Missy - My mother-in-law gave me some of the Orange Burgess Excel bag of small khaki coloured pellets to try, but Daisy wasn't fussed.

Shall I soak a handful of these though and see if she attempts to eat it herself first, failing that, I can try the dreaded syringing. Hate upsetting her, she really doesn't like it. Plus, don't want to upset her tum either.

I am using a 1.0ml syringe, how many should I attempt, depending on her willingness to take?

Yes that's the one I was thinking of. It's excellent stuff and prevents selective feeding (just picking out the pea flakes and favourite bits, like you described). Given the choice, my piggies would always prefer the muesli though.

I guess at this stage, needing to gain weight quickly, you'll no doubt be glad of anything she'll eat for herself, but of course the bottom line is that, if that amount is not enough to sustain her, then you'll have to syringe her food. I know from experience that it's not easy to syringe feed a reluctant piggy though, so I do empathise. Has somebody shown you in person how to syringe feed? Have you tried wrapping her in a tea towel/small towel/pillowcase (like a swaddled' baby)? Some people find this makes syringing easier. Don't want to overload you with things...just may be worth a try :)

Have you just been syringing Fibreplex and water? I've never used Fibreplex and am not familiar with it, I'm afraid, so I'm not sure how that plays a part in her daily diet. Perhaps Laura/Wiebke or someone else can advise how much dry food you'd need her to take each day, as a minimum, in addition to the Fibreplex supplement. Then if you know roughly how much Daisy's getting, you can figure out what the shortfall is and try to syringe that, using Excel nuggets. It sounds like Daisy hasn't tried much of the Excel but it could well be that the risk of upsetting her tum with a new food is far outweighed by the need to get more food into her.
 
Aww, thank you Missy.

Here is Fibreplex we were given this by the vet initially because she wasn't eating and had diarrhea, (this was before the op too). I try syringing water aswell and the vit c tablet. I think they are called Redoxin? Not sure if I can buy them elsewhere, they only gave us 3!

I will soak some pellets lunch time and try. :)
 
Aww, thank you Missy.

Here is Fibreplex we were given this by the vet initially because she wasn't eating and had diarrhea, (this was before the op too). I try syringing water aswell and the vit c tablet. I think they are called Redoxin? Not sure if I can buy them elsewhere, they only gave us 3!

I will soak some pellets lunch time and try. :)

I've heard of lots of people here using Fibreplex (so I'm sure it's great stuff!), I just haven't used it myself.

Boots and other chemists sell vitamin C tablets with a brand name of Redoxon - this sounds like it's maybe what you have, although you'd obviously have to check what dosage your Vet advises.
 
It sounds like your plan for syringe-feeding is a good one, soaking the Excel pellets then offering them to her before syringing. If you think she may not like the taste, you can puree her favourite veg (or buy a suitable baby food fruit/veg puree) and mix it in. Might make it go down better taste-wise!

In terms of amounts, the less she is eating for herself the more you need to syringe-feed her. Ideally, you're looking for a minimum of 10ml every 3-4 hours. If she is happy to keep eating beyond 10ml then keep feeding it, she will let you know when she has had enough. Likewise if you can feed a little more often, say every 2 hours, it will mimic her normal eating patterns much more closely.

Regards the Fibreplex, I'm in the same boat as Missy having heard of it but not used it. I do have some to hand here but not had need for it yet.

If you're able to buy online then www.thehayexperts.co.uk is a good place to stock up on hays. VetUK, the website you linked to earlier, sell Oxbow hay.

And finally on the Vit C, Redoxon brought up some results:
http://www.google.co.uk/products?hl=en&q=redoxon&scoring=p
Do you know what dosage Daisy has been on?
 
Thanks again. Vet has advised us to break the tablet into 8ths and to have an 1/8th each day in a bottle of her water. How they can think that she is going to drink it, I don't know. Only got her a 140ml bottle for now, till she's back with Maisy. She hasn't drank water from it for well over a week, I still refresh it every day. I try and syringe her 3mls of it, I only soak it into a little egg cup, but 3mls is hardly anything and then end up throwing it away, cos she's stressed from trying.

I soaked 2 mesured tablespoons of Excel nuggets lunch time with about 2mls of water. She seemed to wiggle her nose at the aroma and stretched her head out of her igloo. She munched for about 15-20 mins, but not sure how much, probably only a nugget at a time, maybe 5 at the most. :( I know it's going to take a while though, just want her to get better. No poos since yesterday evening either! Weeing seems fine.
 
Laura - Daisy isn't on any pain relief at present. Vet didn't seem to think she was in pain. (I know no different though, but wonder if she is in pain, as occasionally she whimpers when picking her up!).

Sometimes I wonder at what planet the vets are on. I'm sure if they had major surgery they'd be on pain relief for a good few weeks, I do wonder why they think guineas would be any different in the levels of pain they experience after surgery. rolleyes

If she is limiting her movement, whimpers when you pick her up, and generally seems to be very tender around her abdomen still, then I'd bet she's still experiencing enough discomfort and pain to affect her movement and her appetite.

It is safe to give infant Calpol/children's Nurofen to piggies. I prefer to recommend seeing if the vet will prescribe pain relief first - either Metacam (dosage at least 0.1ml twice daily) or Rimadyl (dosage 5-10mg twice daily) - and if the vet absolutely refuses then I give the human meds. Dosage for the infant Calpol/children's Nurofen is 0.2ml twice daily, for an adult piggie (over 6 months).
 
Aww, thanks Laura too.

I didn't syringe the mashed pellets, they were still whole, just a little softer and seemed to be fine by her, so not sure if that's good news or not (as opposed to syringing). I know she will not withstand probably no more than 3-4 mls. I will try to wrap her, but am a little unsure due to her whimpering/tummy possibly being a bit sore. Pah!

I still have Metacam here, but maybe I should take her back and see what they think? I don't know what to do. Her movement is limited, though she seems interested at times in other things or my voice, but it looks like her little bum has gone, her shape is nearly flat at the back, she must be sore and with her losing hair too. Maybe if I'd known more before the decision to do the op, I could have asked about other options. They did mention about reduction in size with the cyst, but says it's not a permanent measure and they often grow back.
 
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I appreciate how difficult a position you are in, it is so hard knowing what to do for the best especially when the pig is in as delicate a condition as Daisy is.

Vet has advised us to break the tablet into 8ths and to have an 1/8th each day in a bottle of her water.

Most of the Redoxon tablets contain 1000mg Vit C, so one eighth is around 125mg, which sounds good for a recuperating piggie. What is the tablet like - does it have a hard 'shell' or not? Is the one-eighth dose small enough to pop straight into her mouth? If so, you'll find it a lot easier and ensure an accurate dose (and some relief that all the Vit C is in her!) by placing it in the mouth and using your finger to ease it just far enough past her fleshy cheeks that she has to chew it down and swallow it.

No poos since yesterday evening either!

This is worrying, it is more than likely down to the reduced food intake but no poops at all means you'll have to be a lot stricter on getting food into her. If there are no poops tonight I would strongly recommend contacting the vet and requesting a gut motility drug (usually one called Metoclopromide) to help kick-start the gut along with the syringe-feeding. It is great that she is nibbling food for herself, but it's not going to be enough to sustain her; she need extra strength until she is fully healed frm her surgery.

If you're unable to syringe-feed every couple of hours during the day, see if the vets will keep her in for the day so they're able to keep up her food intake. It is imperative that sufficient food starts going through her system again.

Keep up with the fluids too - give a mouthful of water for every few mouthfuls of food.
 
Thanks Laura.

I looked at the Redoxon link, but not sure which she is on.

It is a pale orange colour and is just like a soluble solpadeine would look like, so is relatively easy to break, we sometimes get the odd broken pieces, but know roughly what the 1/8th should be. Never tried it straight in mouth, so will try tonight. It's had to see her little mouth because she is black, and I don't want to hurt her lips or sides of mouth either. I think I need to take her back to the vets. I will give my son a ring to check if she's pood or not.

So difficult when we are both working. I only get the hour between 1 and 2, then from 5pm I'm home. Feel useless and helpless. :(
 
I think I'm going to have to take Daisy to the vets. My son said she has had diarrhea. Hard to detect via text messaging, (can't ring from work). So I will check when I get home and see from them. Probably my fault for trying the soaked pellets that she doesn't normally eat. I am getting really distraught the longer it goes on as I don't know what to do next. Am so sorry for the whinging. There are so many other members on here with poorly piggies and not just me. Feel so helpless for you all. XX
 
BIG HUG

You are trying your very best in a very difficult situation; many of us have been in a similar place and know how disheartening it is!

Please write out the medications you want from your vet and insist on them!
Also ask for Critical care or Science recovery for syringing.
 
Thank you Wiebke.

I checked out what she had done, but it seemed like urine (yellow) and little bit of poo (very very tiny) was there and no diarrhea.

Just tried her with the bran and porridge mix, mixed with a bit of grated and small solid chopped apple, and grated carrot. Had a little bit, not much.

Hubby offered her an half inch sized piece of baby sweetcorn and she's eaten that, plus starting on another. Apparently it is fattening, not sure whether she should have it or not though.

I will try again with the mix, if not, will try the syringe with it in, that if it will go in the tiny 1ml syringes. Never done anything like this before, so it's all very strange and scary, bit like having a new baby.

She sniffs her way in the air when she smells food, so is not dormant, but if I left her, she wouldn't do anything!

Thank you all. I am so confused about what to ask for from the vets now, so confused. Maybe I should see how she gets on this evening. As she sits on her poo, it's hard to say sometimes how big it is, but at the mo, probably about half a cm long and not very thick. Can't believe I'm describing poo. ;)
 
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