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Malabsorption And Gastritis.

paulag

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Hi everyone. Haven't been around for a very long time but wanted to pick your brains in case there is anything else I can do.

Zip came from the RSPCA, but I think he's about 5 years old now. He has a very strange problem. Over two years ago he had a very severe case of gastritis, loose bloody droppings and very unwell. The vet gave us antibiotics and probiotics and, I'm desperation, I tried some poo soup with one of his girlfriend's healthy droppings to replace his good bacteria. He miraculously recovered. He had a couple of other severe episodes until we worked out that he couldn't tolerate any fresh veggies.

He's had regular flare ups, but not severe as I now give his remaining girlfriend her veggies separately and treat him very quickly with poo soup at the first sign of loose droppings. But he's been slowly losing weight. He gets, and tolerates, lots of different hays, science selective pellets sprinkled with avipro pro c, woodland herbal forages and some of my breakfast oats. He eats really well, although unsurprisingly his girlfriend, who must be nearer 6 now, is rather fat.

He's so very thin now - been to the vets and there's nothing else obviously wrong and he's quite well in himself. Think he's probably not absorbing nutrients from his food well.

Now I've written this I think we've probably done everything we can do. Adding anything else to his diet would risk triggering a flare up. But if nothing else it's worth sharing that poop soup works very well.
 
Sorry to hear that zip isn't well. Hope someone has a suggestion for you soon. It could however just be age related as 5 is a good age.
 
It is great that poo soup was so effective. I am unsure what to suggest as like you say adding anything in could make him worse. My Maud was the same, she seemed to stop absorbing her nutrients after a long period of treating her for bladder issues and we just gave palliative care in the end until it was time to let her go. Have you tried giving extra vitamins? Has he ever been wormed? I know there are mixed opinions on worming but worth asking your vet.
 
I suspect you are righ - he's not a young piggie and it's probably a case of giving him a good quality of life until he takes a turn for the worse and then make a kind decision.

There's some extra vitamins in the probiotics, but could probably give him some general ones as well in case he's got a deficiency. Hadn't thought about worms, but would be quite surprised as I've never seen any evidence and the girls were fine - we lost one earlier this year due to a tumour, but Bella is a little fat noisy piglet.
 
I suspect you are righ - he's not a young piggie and it's probably a case of giving him a good quality of life until he takes a turn for the worse and then make a kind decision.

There's some extra vitamins in the probiotics, but could probably give him some general ones as well in case he's got a deficiency. Hadn't thought about worms, but would be quite surprised as I've never seen any evidence and the girls were fine - we lost one earlier this year due to a tumour, but Bella is a little fat noisy piglet.
I think you've been doing a great job with Zip. I've an old piggy too that's rather thin but when I asked for suggestions was told hays the best. I do give my golden oldies pellet mash with either added Critical Care or alternately I add Fibreplex and Avipro plus an eighth of a Vit C tablet. Suzies weight fluctuates too - last week 722 this week only 630. She still rushes out into the garden and is first to ask for cucumber at meal times!
Just keep up the TLC!
 
I am very sorry; it sounds like you have done everything you can. :(
Have you tried fibreplex?
 
I haven't, but am a little bit nervous about introducing anything new into his diet as he is very sensitive to some things. Just fed them and is munching happily. His girlfriend has a bit of a sticky eye and I'm hoping she hasn't caught a chill after I bathed her Monday. I hate bathing her - she hates it, but she has a skin condition that only responds to Gorgeous Guineas shampoo when it flares up.
 
I wouldn't just assume it's age related, the fact he has symptoms is a sign there is an issue even if it seems Impossible to diagnose. They can lose weight as they age but with these gut flare ups too id imagine that's the reason.

The fact he responds to poo soup would make me think there's some form of imbalance in the guts. I would definitely give fibreplex a go either with the avipro plus or on its own. Iv doubled up on probiotics several times when iv had a severe gut upset in a piggie. Theres no reason u can't make poop soup a daily routine for your boy to see if it helps balance things long term.

One thing id definitely request from the vet is to have his poo sent off for analysis for parasites and bacteria. It could be as simple as an e-coli infection or even worms which is easily treated. If nothing else it will help narrow down the possibilities with no harmful or stressful effects on your boy.

Another thing to consider is trying grain free pellets. Grains aren't necessary for pigs and some just can't tolerate them as they create by products when digested that can be pretty nasty. Plenty pigs tolerate normal pellets fine but some just don't. I find jr farm grain free pellets to be the most tolerated but "bunny" (brand name) guinea pig pellets have went down well with my lot too.

If you aren't already, I would start supplementing him with vitamin c. He will be getting some from his pellets but he will be missing out on a big chunk since he's been off his veg. A simple gut upset that made u halt on his veg could have turned into a vitamin deficiency that's made it seem like the issue is persisting when it could be a separate one. Does he have any hair thinning or joint stiffness? This can also be an indicator of a lack of vitamin c.

Hay is the main fibre source and is what makes the guts function and produce nice solid poos, so it's great he has a good selection but id keep an eye on any rich hays with added dried flowers and herbs as sometimes these can be too rich if eaten daily, especially readigrass . One of my sows would get soft stools and so had these every few days in a rotation. Does he have any hays straight from farmers bales or is it all from pet company's? I started using a local farmers hay and 1 of my 4 sows had HORRENDOUS diarrhoea for nearly a month. The only one affected and once the hay was done, she recovered miracurously. I know your other pig is fine but every little tummy is different. Oat hay is good for extra calories and I find good for sensitive tummies, but doesn't have as much fibre as Timothy or meadow so couldn't be fed on it's own.

Sorry for bombarding you with suggestions, just offering what came into my head when reading about your boy. Of course you need to take things slow and try one thing at a time so u can figure our what helps and what certainly doesn't. Until you get things stabilised, if he has another flare I can't recommend tree barks powder by dorwest herbs highly enough. It's made for dogs and cats but as it's completely natural (80% slippery elm bark 20% white poplar bark) it's perfectly safe for piggies. It's for chronic diarrhoea and malapsorption issues and helps soothe gut inflammation and aid absorption. It's used widely in humans with ibs . I used it several times In my elderly sow and it was a godsend. I started with a pinch twice a day syringed with water and worked up until poos where normal, then worked back down when things where too firm!

Hope you figure it out soon but definitely request a poo sample to be sent off and analysed. Another thing to consider if you find he's really struggling is to have a blood sample taken to check his liver and kidneys are functioning normally, as both of these can cause diarrhoea and weight loss, however usually the appetite is non existent by this stage.

Sending good luck vibes x
 
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