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Hey guys, me again!

So we have owned our guinea pigs for 2 weeks now, and here are some observations i've made.. followed by some well needed guidance questions.
The Good
  • Gino and Fred have both gained some confidence and have fed out of our hands almost daily.
  • They're not as bad to tidy up as we initially thought they would be, every day we are learning better ways to spot clean as effectively and efficiently as possible
  • Our love for them is unconditional
The Bad
  • Some days feel like 1 step forward 2 steps back and it can take 10-15 mins for them to stop hiding from us before they come to take any food
  • They are still incredibly fearful of us and the slightest movement or noise can make them go back to hiding for 10-15 mins which leads us to respect there space and simply leave to try and reduce their stress cutting bonding time short
  • we didn't budget the amount of black bags filled of guinea pig fertiliser in our initial guinea pig allowance budget :')
The Ugly
  • I've not been able to spend as much time during the day with them as I planned - work has been insanely hectic and I am in and out of calls all day and the noises etc would probably do more harm than good.
  • Sometimes we are left feeling totally disheartened that we have been unable to bond with the piggies if they just hide from us the entire time
Questions and concerns..

I feel like we are possibly bonding a little too slow and that our time simply trying to be around them (we aim for 1 hour per night) is often being cut short as we are just stuck staring at guinea pigs hiding in fear, we do not want to cause them any stress so if after so long they simply show no interest in any food etc we try to respect their space and leave them be, they often immediately come out from hiding and go for the food we have left... I am worried that this may then lead them to believe as long as they hide they will still get what they want..

Question 1 : Are we doing the right thing by leaving them be? or are we reinforcing this fearful behaviour that if they hide long enough we will simply give up and move on. What more can we do to coax them out and trust us? Dill is a MAJOR hit and ALWAYS gets Fred out but not so for Gino

We have been unable to handle the guinea pigs, mainly because we wanted to let them adapt to their space before we harassed them trying to pick them up and what not but it obviously makes our weekly check ups nigh on impossible as it becomes increasingly hard to catch them. There is also conflicting information everywhere on this subject, a lot of people say do not handle guinea pigs for the first few weeks or they will associate you as a hunter. while others say that the more you pick them up the sooner they bond and become accustomed to you. The last weigh in we had for Gino he was shaking VIOLENTLY, to the point where it almost felt as if his heart would pop from the stress...

Question 2: Again, are we doing the right thing by not handling them so much? should we continue as we are and only handle them during weigh ins and check ups or should we start to try handle them each night to show them that we are no threat and that they will always be returned to their cage?

As per my point under the ugly, I've not been able to spend as much time in their room as i anticipated, knowing the more you are around them the more they associate your sound and smell with comfort etc, I've simply not been able to do this, some of my work meetings can get heated or stressful and i don't want to radiate that stress to them, i also dont want the phone calls going off every now and then to scare them (the ringtone is LOUD for the sake of me hearing it if i take a quick pee break and need to rush back and answer it).

Question 3: Should I be trying more to get free time to sit in the room with them and just talk to them even if they are hidden away? or am i doing the right thing by giving them space, is 1 hour per night enough?

Question 4: Based on the above concerns and questions, we obviously have not yet introduced any floor time because we do not want to add stress and fear by trying to catch them and throwing them in a completely new area, how do we start to introduce floor time in a way that is suitable for the guinea pigs.

Final notes:

Sorry for the long post, if you have made it this far THANK YOU.

Any tips or advice for what we can do/improve, what we should and shouldn't do going forward ETC would be highly highly appreciated.

Pic attached because well.. look at them....
 

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Question 1 : Are we doing the right thing by leaving them be? or are we reinforcing this fearful behaviour that if they hide long enough we will simply give up and move on. What more can we do to coax them out and trust us? Dill is a MAJOR hit and ALWAYS gets Fred out but not so for Gino.

Question 2: Again, are we doing the right thing by not handling them so much? should we continue as we are and only handle them during weigh ins and check ups or should we start to try handle them each night to show them that we are no threat and that they will always be returned to their cage?

Question 3: Should I be trying more to get free time to sit in the room with them and just talk to them even if they are hidden away? or am i doing the right thing by giving them space, is 1 hour per night enough?

Question 4: Based on the above concerns and questions, we obviously have not yet introduced any floor time because we do not want to add stress and fear by trying to catch them and throwing them in a completely new area, how do we start to introduce floor time in a way that is suitable for the guinea pigs.

The fact they are eating out of your hand is a huge sign of trust.
Two weeks is such a short space of time and believe me, you are not bonding with them too slowly! It can take many weeks, perhaps even months, for them to settle.

I fully believe taking things at their pace and slow and steady is the way to go. (Rhetorical) Why force a prey animal to be held if they don’t want to - it won’t be an enjoyable experience for you knowing they are scared and it certainly won’t be enjoyable for them.

Do also remember that even very friendly piggies who want to be around you, take food from your hand etc may never ever want to be picked up and be handled.
This is the case with my piggies. All four of them took their own time to settle - two youngest were taking food from me on day 1. Of the other two, one took 6 weeks and the other took 18 months. There is no difference between any of them now in how interested they are In being around me (they are more than happy to come to me) but not one of them wants to be held. I respect them and do not handle my piggies just for cuddles. I do it for health and weight checks which they accept and I can medicate all of them without issue. Other than that, my interaction with them is sitting on the floor and letting them come to me if they want to. They don’t fear me because they know I’m not going to be grabbing at them but I can handle them when I have to.
Others piggies love lap and cuddle time - it’s about finding what works for them but it also may take a long time to get to that point.

I think if you can spend extra time in there with them, just chatting then that isn’t a bad thing even if they are hiding the whole time.
Mine live outside in my shed so I have to specifically go to them. Some days I can just go and sit out for ages, others I don’t get time to do anything more than check and feed.

Floor time - some like it, some don’t. Piggies are generally scared of open spaces and for some floor time just never works and instead a playpen where they feel more secure works better. It’s going to be a case of trying and seeing how it goes.
 
Do also remember that even very friendly piggies who want to be around you, take food from your hand etc may never ever want to be picked up and be handled.
This is the case with my piggies. There is no difference between any of them now in how interested they are In being around me (they are more than happy to come to me) but not one of them wants to be held. I respect them and do not handle my piggies just for cuddles. I do it for health and weight checks which they accept and I can medicate all of them without issue. Other than that, my interaction with them is sitting on the floor and letting them come to me if they want to. They don’t fear me because they know I’m not going to be grabbing at them but I can handle them when I have to.
Same here. Ophelia might let us stroke her but Bianca dislikes even that. However they wheek loudly, run over to us, push us out of the way and have even managed to train us (for example if they rub their nose it clearly means they want food). When catching it still often involves cornering and chasing before they eventually go into the cavey cosy we use to pick them up but they don't fear us and will tolerate being handled (although may protest loudly).
 
The fact they are eating out of your hand is a huge sign of trust.
Two weeks is such a short space of time and believe me, you are not bonding with them too slowly! It can take many weeks, perhaps even months, for them to settle.

I fully believe taking things at their pace and slow and steady is the way to go. (Rhetorical) Why force a prey animal to be held if they don’t want to - it won’t be an enjoyable experience for you knowing they are scared and it certainly won’t be enjoyable for them.

Do also remember that even very friendly piggies who want to be around you, take food from your hand etc may never ever want to be picked up and be handled.
This is the case with my piggies. All four of them took their own time to settle - two youngest were taking food from me on day 1. Of the other two, one took 6 weeks and the other took 18 months. There is no difference between any of them now in how interested they are In being around me (they are more than happy to come to me) but not one of them wants to be held. I respect them and do not handle my piggies just for cuddles. I do it for health and weight checks which they accept and I can medicate all of them without issue. Other than that, my interaction with them is sitting on the floor and letting them come to me if they want to. They don’t fear me because they know I’m not going to be grabbing at them but I can handle them when I have to.
Others piggies love lap and cuddle time - it’s about finding what works for them but it also may take a long time to get to that point.

I think if you can spend extra time in there with them, just chatting then that isn’t a bad thing even if they are hiding the whole time.
Mine live outside in my shed so I have to specifically go to them. Some days I can just go and sit out for ages, others I don’t get time to do anything more than check and feed.

Floor time - some like it, some don’t. Piggies are generally scared of open spaces and for some floor time just never works and instead a playpen where they feel more secure works better. It’s going to be a case of trying and seeing how it goes.
Slow and steady is what we are aiming for.

We did however make an absolute MAJOR breakthrough tonight.... THEY WHEEKED AT US. THEY ACTUALLY PROPERLY WHEEKED.

We found out that Gino has real food sass... like... we tried them with mint for the first time, gino was the first to come over, he no word of a lie sniffed at it a few times.. looked at me.. sniffed it again and looked at me like guy... wheres the good stuff, this aint no good stuff.

We also found out that Freds food crack is spring greens(we thought it was watermelon)! he devoured them, and they are really cheap too! Not looked at how often we can feed spring greens but i might keep them as a super treat for Fred.

What a night. Popcorns and WHEEEEEEEKS
 
That’s great! ….although now theyve found their voices you will be looking for a mute switch soon enough!
I’ve got three who are relatively silent and one who does enough talking for them (and probably for several other piggies in the village as well). He is not only chatty but very very loud with it, I can hear him from pretty much as soon as I open my back door and start walking down to my shed, never mind once I actually open the shed door!

Spring greens - are a cabbage, although a milder form, and higher in oxalates. They are only a once a week in small amount (approx an inch strip) food.
I give it to mine on occasion and they like that bit of variety.
 
I remember how excited I was when my boys started wheeking. It's so cute isn't it? Fast forward....they wheek at....
Hearing the fridge door
Any bag rustling
Kitchen cupboard being opened
Entering the room (you might have food)
Leaving the room (you might be fetching food)
Entering the house with groceries
Entering the house (you might have groceries)
Eating in front of them
And of course sometimes just because they can....😁
 
Spring greens - are a cabbage, although a milder form, and higher in oxalates. They are only a once a week in small amount (approx an inch strip) food.
I give it to mine on occasion and they like that bit of variety.
Fred might want to have words with you! but I guess that's why its like crack to him.... it's always things that aren't overly good for you that leave the best taste! I'll make sure to save his ration of spring greens for weigh in and health checks as a super treat for him!


I remember how excited I was when my boys started wheeking. It's so cute isn't it? Fast forward....they wheek at....
Hearing the fridge door
Any bag rustling
Kitchen cupboard being opened
Entering the room (you might have food)
Leaving the room (you might be fetching food)
Entering the house with groceries
Entering the house (you might have groceries)
Eating in front of them
And of course sometimes just because they can....😁
my neighbours are gonna hate us aren't they hahaa.

Police showing up at the door on a noise complaint, sorry sir, it's our two piggies
 
Just wait until they discover pea flakes! The holy grail of treats....
i've actually tried them with pea flakes, i can't quite say they care too much for them, maybe my piggies are faulty! they definitely like things that should only be given once a week, watermelon was a hit last week, this week spring greens are a hit (at least for Fred). Gino is a hard nut to crack, still need to find what makes him wheek
 
i've actually tried them with pea flakes, i can't quite say they care too much for them, maybe my piggies are faulty! they definitely like things that should only be given once a week, watermelon was a hit last week, this week spring greens are a hit (at least for Fred). Gino is a hard nut to crack, still need to find what makes him wheek
Have you tried courgette? Many piggies hate it but ours (who aren't mad about pea flakes) love courgette!
 
Courgette, mint is right up there with basil and dill on the yummy stuff list!
 
Welcome to team courgette! Ophelia especially would be approving :nod:
Is this something that can be fed most days?

The only thing that would stop them sniffing it out was coriander, otherwise they ignored all other veggies I gave yesterday and opted straight for the courgette
 
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