Specialist Need Help...

[Rafael Magliano]

Hi, It's my first time in here so I'm still figuring things out.
I'm Rafael, I'm from Nova Friburgo- Brasil, and I have 6 furry friends. (so pardon my bad english)
The problem is that in the city I live, there are no specialized vets, so I have to treat my guineas by myself with information i gather online.
To the point...
I have already lost three of my piggies and it hurts me until this day. 2 of them with the same symptoms that Galak, the one I need help with, is demonstrating. I'm completly lost, and I don't want to lose her. I'm hoping you are able to help me.
I'm gonna try to describe it. A couple of months ago, she started drinking lots of water, I noticed it and started paying more attention to her. Gradually she started eating less and less and been more selective with food. Her fur was falling. I talked to a caviary owner, and she said she was dehydrating. So I began to make some subcuttaneous injections with homemade serum, and a made a "shake" with vegetables and orange for the vit.c and pellets. And the woman said for me to give her a tiny bit of honey to boost her metabolism. It worked, all of a sudden she started eating and got well.
Now the symptoms are back. I'm trying the same treatment but I have to do something else. Maybe you could help me.
She lives with other two females, her mother and an older sister, and with a 1-2 month pup. I still didnt determine the gender, it's a bit hard to see on that particular one, but I think and hope it's a she. Anyways, do you think that the baby caused her this distress? Because it coincides with its birth. Maybe buring her mother pregnancy she became protective and harmed Galak.
That's it, I provide them a shelter which I clean 2-3 times a week, fresh vegetables and pellets and grass, I failed on providing them hay, I didnt give them as much as they needed, but I fixed it.
Sorry for the long post, I hope you help me.
She's an albino by the wat.
My best regards,
Raf.

 

[Mishka]

That sounds very suspiciously like teeth problems to me. Can you look inside piggiy's mouth? Are the incisors straight or are the tips wearing at an angle?

Also, please don't give piggy honey. Sugar is -very- bad for their metabolism. Try clean, untreated grass if you have access to it. Just not too much, little bits at a time, to ensure you do not induce an upset stomach.

 

[Wiebke]

Hi, It's my first time in here so I'm still figuring things out.
I'm Rafael, I'm from Nova Friburgo- Brasil, and I have 6 furry friends. (so pardon my bad english)
The problem is that in the city I live, there are no specialized vets, so I have to treat my guineas by myself with information i gather online.
To the point...
I have already lost three of my piggies and it hurts me until this day. 2 of them with the same symptoms that Galak, the one I need help with, is demonstrating. I'm completly lost, and I don't want to lose her. I'm hoping you are able to help me.
I'm gonna try to describe it. A couple of months ago, she started drinking lots of water, I noticed it and started paying more attention to her. Gradually she started eating less and less and been more selective with food. Her fur was falling. I talked to a caviary owner, and she said she was dehydrating. So I began to make some subcuttaneous injections with homemade serum, and a made a "shake" with vegetables and orange for the vit.c and pellets. And the woman said for me to give her a tiny bit of honey to boost her metabolism. It worked, all of a sudden she started eating and got well.
Now the symptoms are back. I'm trying the same treatment but I have to do something else. Maybe you could help me.
She lives with other two females, her mother and an older sister, and with a 1-2 month pup. I still didnt determine the gender, it's a bit hard to see on that particular one, but I think and hope it's a she. Anyways, do you think that the baby caused her this distress? Because it coincides with its birth. Maybe buring her mother pregnancy she became protective and harmed Galak.
That's it, I provide them a shelter which I clean 2-3 times a week, fresh vegetables and pellets and grass, I failed on providing them hay, I didnt give them as much as they needed, but I fixed it.
Sorry for the long post, I hope you help me.
She's an albino by the wat.
My best regards,
Raf.

Hi and welcome!

Pink-eyed white guinea pigs (we call them PEWs for short) are a normal, healthy guinea pig breed. Pink eyes are also connected to other coat colours and are not a sign of albinism in guinea pigs, so there is no connection with that.

Unfortunately, you need to see a vet to check for these issues here that can cause increased drinking and as a secondary issue, decreased eating and weight loss:
- kidney failure
- diabetes
- malnutrition (scurvy = vitamin C deficiency, but also other deficiencies)
- overgrowing back teeth (see whether the front teeth are uneven or curved inwards - that is usually a sign that the chewing teeth at the back of the mouth are overgrown.

Hair loss: check for mange mites (invisible to the naked eye) or fungal infections; both can hit when the immune system is lowered:
Guinea Lynx :: Mange Mites
Guinea Lynx :: Fungus
Gorgeous Guineas Photo gallery
Gorgeous Guineas Identification

Please start syringe feeding asap as soon as a guinea pig is losing weight. Switch from weighing once weekly for any healthy guinea pig to once daily at the same time to control the food intake. 80% of the daily food intake is should be hay (it is actually the silica in it that grinds down the fast growing back teeth) and that keeps the guts healthy. You cannot control the food intake just by eye. Also always keep an eye on the poos - thinner, less or deformed poos mean that something is not right and that not enough food has passed through.
You can use cheap kitchen scales from a supermarket for weighing and get 1 ml syringes without needles from a pharmacy. Soak your pellets in hot water if you do not have access to powdered recovery formula like Critical Care from Oxbow. Our guide tells you how.
Complete Syringe Feeding Guide
How To Pick Up And Weigh Your Guinea Pig
The Importance Of Weighing - Ideal Weight / Overweight / Underweight
Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diet

Links - Kidney / Renal Disease - Guinea Lynx Records (kidney/renal disease links)
Guinea Lynx :: Links!
Guinea Lynx :: Anorexia (not eating)
Guinea Lynx :: Teeth

 

[Rafael Magliano]

I checked her incesors and they look pretty straight, not wearing any angle.
Besides teeth, do you have any idea what that could be?

 

[Rafael Magliano]

Hi and welcome!

Pink-eyed white guinea pigs (we call them PEWs for short) are a normal, healthy guinea pig breed. Pink eyes are also connected to other coat colours and are not a sign of albinism in guinea pigs, so there is no connection with that.

Unfortunately, you need to see a vet to check for these issues here that can cause increased drinking and as a secondary issue, decreased eating and weight loss:
- kidney failure
- diabetes
- malnutrition (scurvy = vitamin C deficiency, but also other deficiencies)
- overgrowing back teeth (see whether the front teeth are uneven or curved inwards - that is usually a sign that the chewing teeth at the back of the mouth are overgrown.

Hair loss: check for mange mites (invisible to the naked eye) or fungal infections; both can hit when the immune system is lowered:
Guinea Lynx :: Mange Mites
Guinea Lynx :: Fungus
Gorgeous Guineas Photo gallery
Gorgeous Guineas Identification

Please start syringe feeding asap as soon as a guinea pig is losing weight. Switch from weighing once weekly for any healthy guinea pig to once daily at the same time to control the food intake. 80% of the daily food intake is should be hay (it is actually the silica in it that grinds down the fast growing back teeth) and that keeps the guts healthy. You cannot control the food intake just by eye. Also always keep an eye on the poos - thinner, less or deformed poos mean that something is not right and that not enough food has passed through.
You can use cheap kitchen scales from a supermarket for weighing and get 1 ml syringes without needles from a pharmacy. Soak your pellets in hot water if you do not have access to powdered recovery formula like Critical Care from Oxbow. Our guide tells you how.
Complete Syringe Feeding Guide
How To Pick Up And Weigh Your Guinea Pig
The Importance Of Weighing - Ideal Weight / Overweight / Underweight
Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diet

Links - Kidney / Renal Disease - Guinea Lynx Records (kidney/renal disease links)
Guinea Lynx :: Links!
Guinea Lynx :: Anorexia (not eating)
Guinea Lynx :: Teeth

Thank you very much. The problem is that I took the other one to the vet that said he's specialised and he said that he was undisposed and weak and gave him vitamins. Just that, he just examed his teeth.
I'm syringe feeding her, I hope it works out.
I'll carefully check all the links you've sent me.
This second time is even weirder. Her hair loss stopped, it doesn't seem that she lost weight.

 

[Wiebke]

Thank you very much. The problem is that I took the other one to the vet that said he's specialised and he said that he was undisposed and weak and gave him vitamins. Just that, he just examed his teeth.
I'm syringe feeding her, I hope it works out.
I'll carefully check all the links you've sent me.
This second time is even weirder. Her hair loss stopped, it doesn't seem that she lost weight.

Being indisposed and weak is not a diagnosis; it is just an observation of symptoms. A diagnosis is telling you what is causing the illness and weakness.
Did your vet really see and check the back teeth?

I really feel for you - not having access to a decent vet is horrible when you come up against problems that really require competent vet care.

PS: Your English is very good!

I am linking in some other experienced forum members for their input.
@helen105281 @Jaycey @Freela @furryfriends (TEAS) @Pound Shilling & Pig

 

[Mishka]

You mentioned you went to someone who kept cavies before and gave you some advice. could you call her and ask her what vets she uses?

I'm sending lots of love your way. I went through this with one of my girls. It did in fact turn out to be her teeth. She started the same way, with a bout of scurvy. Took months to get answers. Keep on getting as much syringed food into her as you possibly can. Keeping her weight up and gut moving is such a large part of the battle.

 

[Rafael Magliano]

You mentioned you went to someone who kept cavies before and gave you some advice. could you call her and ask her what vets she uses?

I'm sending lots of love your way. I went through this with one of my girls. It did in fact turn out to be her teeth. She started the same way, with a bout of scurvy. Took months to get answers. Keep on getting as much syringed food into her as you possibly can. Keeping her weight up and gut moving is such a large part of the battle.

Thank you very much for the love and the tips.
Eventhough she's from Brasil, she lives very far from here.
Let's hope she recovers soon!

 

[Mishka]

Thank you very much for the love and the tips.
Eventhough she's from Brasil, she lives very far from here.
Let's hope she recovers soon!

Sadly she passed after her surgery. but she was old and very underweight when we went for the planing. We miss her very much.

This is why I cannot stress enough, the problems you are describing, need to be seen by a professional. Even if she's far away, she might be able to recommend somewhere near to you. I would give anything to have my girl back, and I would hate for you to end up like we were. A lot of the illnesses that have been linked by Wiekbe can be treated/managed, and you are doing your best by her at home. I understand that, i really do. I know you're in a dreadful position. But she needs a vet.

 

[Rafael Magliano]

Sadly she passed after her surgery. but she was old and very underweight when we went for the planing. We miss her very much.

This is why I cannot stress enough, the problems you are describing, need to be seen by a professional. Even if she's far away, she might be able to recommend somewhere near to you. I would give anything to have my girl back, and I would hate for you to end up like we were. A lot of the illnesses that have been linked by Wiekbe can be treated/managed, and you are doing your best by her at home. I understand that, i really do. I know you're in a dreadful position. But she needs a vet.

I'm really trying to find out one specialist. The last thing I need is what happened to the other pig, I took him to a vet who said he treated piggies, but he didn't.
I'm still syringe feeding her, she looks better then she was yesterday. I hope this works out until I find some professional vet.
Let's hope for the best, she's just turned 1 year old.

 

[Rafael Magliano]

I'm really trying to find out one specialist. The last thing I need is what happened to the other pig, I took him to a vet who said he treated piggies, but he didn't.
I'm still syringe feeding her, she looks better then she was yesterday. I hope this works out until I find some professional vet.
Let's hope for the best, she's just turned 1 year old.

One other thing, like I said, I was really not treating them properly. So I'll have to reeducate them to eat healthy.
Do you have any tips for me? Like a chronogram or the quantatity of food I have to feed them a day.
I'm sorry if I'm being this annoying, but I have to gather the maximum of information possible with people who really know what they are doing, and love their little friends like I do.

 

[Mishka]

One other thing, like I said, I was really not treating them properly. So I'll have to reeducate them to eat healthy.
Do you have any tips for me? Like a chronogram or the quantatity of food I have to feed them a day.
I'm sorry if I'm being this annoying, but I have to gather the maximum of information possible with people who really know what they are doing, and love their little friends like I do.

Of course, can you give us an exact breakdown of what you are feeding them on a daily basis, please? Then not only can we advise on the good, we can help you stamp out the bad.

I'm glad yo hear she is perking up. I hope you can find a vet soon. Honestly, in a pinch, an inexperienced vet is better than no vet at all. You can show them info from this forum and Guinea Lynx and most are open to discussion about treatment.

 

[Mishka]

Also, could you do me a favour and read the below link, please? To see if the symptoms match your girl. It's just a hunch..

Guinea Lynx :: Scurvy -- Vitamin C Deficiency

 

[Rafael Magliano]

Of course, can you give us an exact breakdown of what you are feeding them on a daily basis, please? Then not only can we advise on the good, we can help you stamp out the bad.

I'm glad yo hear she is perking up. I hope you can find a vet soon. Honestly, in a pinch, an inexperienced vet is better than no vet at all. You can show them info from this forum and Guinea Lynx and most are open to discussion about treatment.

Of course, can you give us an exact breakdown of what you are feeding them on a daily basis, please? Then not only can we advise on the good, we can help you stamp out the bad.

I'm glad yo hear she is perking up. I hope you can find a vet soon. Honestly, in a pinch, an inexperienced vet is better than no vet at all. You can show them info from this forum and Guinea Lynx and most are open to discussion about treatment.

I feed them with pellets twice a day. And I give them vegetables, mainly 3 times a day, not much each time. The problem is that i don't know how to translate the name of the vegetables it's a kale like one, called couve in portuguese, the other one is almeirão, it's the one they like the most but I'm starting to think that thats the problem. I also give them broccoli leaves often.
I also give them carrots, like 1,5 carrot for 6 piggies/day. From time to time I give them a bit of apple and corn.
And I also give them corn husks, they love it.
I feed them grass too, but now i'm waiting the rain, because it all dried up.
About the hay, I usually give them hay or alfafa hay but not as much as they need. I need to pay more attention to it for yesterday. They eat it when I give them, but I have to make it the basis of their feeding and I don't know how.

 

[Mishka]

Okay, can you tell us what brand of pellets you're using?

With hay, honestly, there is no such thing as too much. Each piggy needs a big handful at least once a day. Really, for 6 pigs, you need to be chucking loads into their cage. I mean -loads-. 80% of a piggy diet needs to be hay. Yes, there will be waste, it's a fact of life. But a lack of hay can account for countless health problems in guinea pigs. Just go nuts with it, seriously. They love to play and burrow in it, so get mad with the hay bag. Make sure you remove any uneaten every 24 hours and replace it, as they will pee and poop on it and a build up of bacteria can lead to URIs/UTIS.

Alfalfa should not be given to piggies over 6 months old as it is very high in calcium. So I think I saw you say you had one baby, it's fine for that one. But anyone older than 6 months old, cut them off alfalfa now to save a lot of problems in the future, such as bladder stones.

I notice a lot of the veg you feed seems to be cruciferous, which is the dark, leafy, cabbagey type things. I feel you have the balance wrong with their vegetables. These types of veg are again very high in calcium and oxacilic acid, which can cause bladder/kidney issues. And the corn, while I'm sure they love it, is very high in sugar and starch. As an occasional treat it's okay, but it shouldn't be a staple. I personally would also not feed carrot daily, as I worry about sugar content, but this is a bone of contention. Some people worry about it, some people don't.

Lettuce and peppers should make up their primary vegetables. -DO NOT GIVE ICEBERG LETTUCE-. There is no nutritional benefit, it is just water and will upset their stomach.

A round lettuce in green or purple, or something like Romaine is best. Radicchio is also very favored by piggies. Green pepper is the highest in vitamin C but all peppers are good for them. Each piggy should get between 1/4 and 1/8 pepper a day, as this is their primary source of vitamin C.

Have a good look at the below link to get more detailed info about veg and their nutritional value to your pigs:

Guinea Lynx :: Favorite Foods

What I would say is try and phase the veggies over gradually over the course of a few days, to ensure you don't upset their tummys. Take out the bad things one at a time, and add the new one at a time. They might turn their noses up at first, but they will adjust.

But really, please do scale the kale and broccoli right right back. Once, maybe twice a week is more than enough.

 

[Rafael Magliano]

Okay, can you tell us what brand of pellets you're using?

With hay, honestly, there is no such thing as too much. Each piggy needs a big handful at least once a day. Really, for 6 pigs, you need to be chucking loads into their cage. I mean -loads-. 80% of a piggy diet needs to be hay. Yes, there will be waste, it's a fact of life. But a lack of hay can account for countless health problems in guinea pigs. Just go nuts with it, seriously. They love to play and burrow in it, so get mad with the hay bag. Make sure you remove any uneaten every 24 hours and replace it, as they will pee and poop on it and a build up of bacteria can lead to URIs/UTIS.

Alfalfa should not be given to piggies over 6 months old as it is very high in calcium. So I think I saw you say you had one baby, it's fine for that one. But anyone older than 6 months old, cut them off alfalfa now to save a lot of problems in the future, such as bladder stones.

I notice a lot of the veg you feed seems to be cruciferous, which is the dark, leafy, cabbagey type things. I feel you have the balance wrong with their vegetables. These types of veg are again very high in calcium and oxacilic acid, which can cause bladder/kidney issues. And the corn, while I'm sure they love it, is very high in sugar and starch. As an occasional treat it's okay, but it shouldn't be a staple. I personally would also not feed carrot daily, as I worry about sugar content, but this is a bone of contention. Some people worry about it, some people don't.

Lettuce and peppers should make up their primary vegetables. -DO NOT GIVE ICEBERG LETTUCE-. There is no nutritional benefit, it is just water and will upset their stomach.

A round lettuce in green or purple, or something like Romaine is best. Radicchio is also very favored by piggies. Green pepper is the highest in vitamin C but all peppers are good for them. Each piggy should get between 1/4 and 1/8 pepper a day, as this is their primary source of vitamin C.

Have a good look at the below link to get more detailed info about veg and their nutritional value to your pigs:

Guinea Lynx :: Favorite Foods

What I would say is try and phase the veggies over gradually over the course of a few days, to ensure you don't upset their tummys. Take out the bad things one at a time, and add the new one at a time. They might turn their noses up at first, but they will adjust.

But really, please do scale the kale and broccoli right right back. Once, maybe twice a week is more than enough.

Thank you for the advices. I'll start making changes right now, I hope they become healthier. I'm tired of seeing them feeling sick, they don't deserve, they make me happy, I gotta make them feel happy too.
I read the article you sent me about scurvy, I had already read it, but not i'm gonna ensure that i'll have more attention.
I'll raise the income of vitamin c for Galak, the sick one. Can I use those effervescent tablets as a source of vitamin c? I'm pretty sure I can't, but it's worth asking.

 

[Rafael Magliano]

Thank you for the advices. I'll start making changes right now, I hope they become healthier. I'm tired of seeing them feeling sick, they don't deserve, they make me happy, I gotta make them feel happy too.
I read the article you sent me about scurvy, I had already read it, but not i'm gonna ensure that i'll have more attention.
I'll raise the income of vitamin c for Galak, the sick one. Can I use those effervescent tablets as a source of vitamin c? I'm pretty sure I can't, but it's worth asking.

By the way, I combine the brands of pellet. There are three of them Rói, Funny Bunny and Serelepe. You are an angel! haha

 

[Mishka]

Thank you for the advices. I'll start making changes right now, I hope they become healthier. I'm tired of seeing them feeling sick, they don't deserve, they make me happy, I gotta make them feel happy too.
I read the article you sent me about scurvy, I had already read it, but not i'm gonna ensure that i'll have more attention.
I'll raise the income of vitamin c for Galak, the sick one. Can I use those effervescent tablets as a source of vitamin c? I'm pretty sure I can't, but it's worth asking.

I wouldn't use those as they might have something else other than vitamin c in them. You need to get just plain vitaminc C tablets, no multi vits. If you get the 100mg tablets you can cut them in half and dissolve the half in a little water, then syringe some to Galak. bear in mind high vitamin C should be given no longer than a week, as that can cause problems long term. but while she is sick you can give her a quarter of a tablet twice a day to give her immune system a boost. My piggy who had teeth problems -loved- the vitamin c solution i made for her. She used to steal the syringe.

 

[Mishka]

By the way, I combine the brands of pellet. There are three of them Rói, Funny Bunny and Serelepe. You are an angel! haha

Hm, I don't recognise any of those, but the Bunny one already has me a little concerned. A quick google isn't bringing them up for me, could you post pictures of the ingredients on the back of the bag? Don't worry if they're not in english, there are ways we can translate. Pictures of the pellets themselves would be useful as well actually.

 

[Rafael Magliano]

Hm, I don't recognise any of those, but the Bunny one already has me a little concerned. A quick google isn't bringing them up for me, could you post pictures of the ingredients on the back of the bag? Don't worry if they're not in english, there are ways we can translate. Pictures of the pellets themselves would be useful as well actually.

 

[Mishka]

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Thanks, Raf. That Bunny one definitely needs to go. only good place for it is in the bin imho.

Can we see the other two as well? (You're a star for doing all this btw).

 

[Rafael Magliano]

Thanks, Raf. That Bunny one definitely needs to go. only good place for it is in the bin imho.

Can we see the other two as well? (You're a star for doing all this btw).

I'll try to find online the others, because I'm using this one. i found the big package, it's hard to find good products for guinea pigs down here.
I'll send you, just a second.

 

[Mishka]

Thanks. The problem with that one is it's basically junk food. The alfalfa is also a big red flag. What you need is a Timothy hay based pellet. We can help you find one if the others aren't suitable that you're using

 

[Rafael Magliano]

I'll try to find online the others, because I'm using this one. i found the big package, it's hard to find good products for guinea pigs down here.
I'll send you, just a second.

This is the Rói one. I used google to translate.
Maize, Rice Quirera, Soybean Meal, Wheat Bran, Alfalfa Hay (at least 10%), Soybean Husk, Flaxseed Oil, Canola Oil, Vegetable Oil, Beet Pulp (at least 1%), Yeast (BHA, BHT), Dyestuff (Yellow 5, Blue 2), Dried Carrots (min. 1%), Prebiotics (Mannan-Oligosaccharides), Yucca Extract (min 0.015%), Propionic Acid, Potassium Sorbate, Antioxidants ), Vitamins (A, D3, E, K, C, B1, B2, B6, B12, Pantothenic Acid, Folic Acid, Niacin, Biotin, Choline Chloride), Minerals (Sodium Chloride, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulphate, Manganese Monoxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite) and Chelated Minerals (Manganese, Selenium, Zinc and Copper), Sodium Aluminosilicate and Calcium.

Minimum enrichment per kilogram of product

Vitamin A 9000UI, Vitamin D3 770UI, Vitamin E 50UI, Vitamin C 150mg, Vitamin K 0.4mg, Vitamin B1 1.0mg, Vitamin B2 4mg, Pantothenic Acid 9mg, Niacin 10mg, Vitamin B6 1.0mg, Biotin 0.07mg, Folic Acid 0.25mg, Vitamin B12 16μg, Choline Chloride 300mg, Manganese 35mg, Zinc 180mg, Iron 80mg, Copper 7.0mg, Iodine 1.5mg, Selenium 0.3mg.

 

[Rafael Magliano]

This is the Rói one. I used google to translate.
Maize, Rice Quirera, Soybean Meal, Wheat Bran, Alfalfa Hay (at least 10%), Soybean Husk, Flaxseed Oil, Canola Oil, Vegetable Oil, Beet Pulp (at least 1%), Yeast (BHA, BHT), Dyestuff (Yellow 5, Blue 2), Dried Carrots (min. 1%), Prebiotics (Mannan-Oligosaccharides), Yucca Extract (min 0.015%), Propionic Acid, Potassium Sorbate, Antioxidants ), Vitamins (A, D3, E, K, C, B1, B2, B6, B12, Pantothenic Acid, Folic Acid, Niacin, Biotin, Choline Chloride), Minerals (Sodium Chloride, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulphate, Manganese Monoxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite) and Chelated Minerals (Manganese, Selenium, Zinc and Copper), Sodium Aluminosilicate and Calcium.

Minimum enrichment per kilogram of product

Vitamin A 9000UI, Vitamin D3 770UI, Vitamin E 50UI, Vitamin C 150mg, Vitamin K 0.4mg, Vitamin B1 1.0mg, Vitamin B2 4mg, Pantothenic Acid 9mg, Niacin 10mg, Vitamin B6 1.0mg, Biotin 0.07mg, Folic Acid 0.25mg, Vitamin B12 16μg, Choline Chloride 300mg, Manganese 35mg, Zinc 180mg, Iron 80mg, Copper 7.0mg, Iodine 1.5mg, Selenium 0.3mg.

The other one is this one.
PRODUCT COMPOSITION:

Soybean Meal, Dehydrated Carrot, Sodium Chloride (Common Salt), Dicalcium Phosphate, Dry Brewery Yeast, Refined Soybean Oil, Calcítico Limestone, Folic Acid, Hill, Copper, Iron, Iodine, Manganese, Selenium, Vitamins (A, B1, B12, B2, B3, D3, E, K3, C), Zinc, Niacin, Pantothenic Acid, Biotin, Cobalt, Magnesium, Adsorbent Additive (Gluconos Saccharomyces Cerevisiae), Prebiotic Additive (Mananoligosaccharides ), Antioxidant Additive (BHA, BHT, Ethoxyquin, Propyl Galate, Calcium Carbonate), Fungistatic Antifungent Additive, Flavoring Additive.

100 g / kg (11.00%), Protein Ratio (min) - 210 g / kg (21.00%), Ethereal Extract (min) - 50 g / kg (%), Fibrous Matter (max) - 77 g / kg (7.70%), Mineral Matter (max) - 65 g / kg (6.50%), 40%), Calcium (max) - 9500 mg / kg (0.95%), Phosphorus (min) - 40000 mg / kg (0.40%).

ENRICHMENT PER kg OF PRODUCT: Folic Acid (min) 3,64 mg, Colina (min) 1015,00 mg, Copper (min) 4,60 mg, Iron (min) 73,50 mg, Iodine (min) 0,92 (min) Vitamin B12 (min) 25.00 mcg, Vitamin B2 (min) Vitamin B12 (min) Vitamin B12 (min) (min) 16.00 mg, Vitamin B6 (min) 10,00 mg, Vitamin D3 (min) 2,680 IU, Vitamin E (min) 90,00 IU, (Min) 0.65 mg, Pyotrene Acid (min) 37.50 mg, Biotin (min) 0.25 mg, Cobalt (min) 0.65 mg, Magnesium (min) 61.00 mg , Vitamin C (min) 138.00 mg.

 

[Mishka]

Yup, unfortunately all three have the same problem, compositionally they're just not suitable for piggies. Have you got access to Amazon?

 

[Rafael Magliano]

Yup, unfortunately all three have the same problem, compositionally they're just not suitable for piggies. Have you got access to Amazon?

I can search for other types of food that I find here. Those are the most common ones.
Yes, I have access to Amazon.

 

[Mishka]

Okay, the top recommended ones are Oxbow Cavy Cuisine or Kms Timothy Pellets. Failing that, Burgess Excel Guinea Pig is good too, it does have a little alfalfa in it but I have used Burgess for years without issue. Have a peruse on Amazon and see if you can get one of those instead. They're all Timothy hay based and very good for your little ones

 

[Rafael Magliano]

Okay, the top recommended ones are Oxbow Cavy Cuisine or Kms Timothy Pellets. Failing that, Burgess Excel Guinea Pig is good too, it does have a little alfalfa in it but I have used Burgess for years without issue. Have a peruse on Amazon and see if you can get one of those instead. They're all Timothy hay based and very good for your little ones

There's one here that says it's for guinea pig and guinea pigs only. On the description it's saying about the problems that the excess of calcium can cause on the piggies, still theres alfafa hay in the composition.
It's this one

Basic composition

Alfalfa, whole oats, whole wheat, whole peas, whole flaxseed, beet pulp, wheat gluten, rice hull, dried brewer's yeast, monocalcium phosphate, dl-methionine, l-lysine, mananoligosaccharides, frutoligosaccharides, Choline chloride, antioxidants (BHA and BHT), yucca extract, vitamin A, beta carotene, vitamin D3, vitamin E, vitamin K, vitamin C, biotin, folic acid, niacin, pantothenic acid, vitamin B1, vitamin B2, vitamin B6, vitamin B12, selenium, copper, iodine, manganese, zinc and food flavoring

Warranties

Humidity (max.) 12.00%
Crude protein (min) 15.00%
Ethereal extract (min) 4.00%
Fibrous matter (max.) 23.00%
Mineral matter 7.00%
Calcium (max.) 0.80%
Phosphorus (min.) 0.40%
Mannanoligosaccharides (min.) 0.20%
Sodium (min) 0.09%
Magnesium (min) 0.08%
Potassium (min) 0.35%

Vitamin C (min) 0.05%

 

[Mishka]

I would still not give them that one either I'm afraid. Does the same brand do any other products?