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Kzj

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Hi, my family have just “adopted” 3 guinea pigs 2 weeks ago.

I say adopted as they were in the rehoming section of Pets at Home saying they were up for adoption, my daughter and I fell in love with them and we agreed to take them in and then they advise that they were unsold stock from another store. I feel a little cheated on the adopting front as I had wanted to rescue.

The thing is we have adopted what we are told are 3 bonded males and we’re told they must stay together . All are unneutered and all about 5 months old. We have had them 2 weeks in a 6x2 c and c cage. Despite all my research before adopting and getting the set up right for pigs, I now see the chance of them staying bonded as a trio is minimal. I’m also suspicious that one may not be originally related as he is much bigger than the others and even his claws were much longer (had to cut them this week as they were terrrible).

We have had rumble strutting from them all, although they will then go and snuggle next to each other . I’m just scared this could escalate as a trio and one or more get hurt.

We have multiple of everything, all hides have 2 exits, nothing is against the edge of the cage so no one can get blocked in anywhere. They are living indoors in the playroom and mostly someone is around all day.

Is there anything I can do or do I need to realistically look at removing one? I’m devastated at this thought as they are already much loved members of the family.

Any advice and guidance is very much appreciated.
 
Someone on my post mentioned that even if they were bonded before you got them in a new cage, you can't really consider them bonded still, and you would have the fight for dominance again, basically. But take that with a grain of salt unless heard by someone else. I just got two bonded pigs yesterday. We have had some Rumble Strutting and Teeth Chattering (only once, but still). It also sounds like, and from what I read, getting 3 males to get along is unlikely.

Again, I would wait for someone else to respond as well.
 
Definitely don't keep them together. Boars can only be kept in pairs. You will need to have one in a cage side by side with the pair
 
Definitely don't keep them together. Boars can only be kept in pairs. You will need to have one in a cage side by side with the pair
Will he be ok alone? And how do I figure out which one to separate?

Sorry I’m just so keen not to make this any worse for them.
 
II can't give you advice but there are many forum members who can help. I can say I adopted 3 boars many years ago having been told they were brothers. It didn't work out but I am sure good advice will be along very soon.
 
If they're not fighting yet, I presume it will be okay to leave all three together till tomorrow, hoping someone knowledgeable answers by then.
 
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I’m sorry to hear this

It is known that the adoption section does sometimes contain piggies who aren’t sold in a timely manner and then are considered ‘too old’.
You have definitely still rescued them though, please don’t think you haven’t.

I’m sorry to say that three teenage boars together is usually a recipe for trouble - most don’t make it to adulthood.

It is the case that they go into a dominance phase and a period of reestablishing a hierarchy when moved to a new environment but with three boars it almost never works out successfully for the long term.

Also a 6x2 is far too small for three boars - normal cage sizing requirements go out the window when boars are involved. They are very territorial and while a lot of space doesn’t make a bond work, lack of it will cause issues.
For three boars you would be looking at needing at least a 9x3 c&c to provide enough territory per pig - but even with that space, they would be no more likely to make it together

You could perhaps see how things go - in a hope for the best but be prepared for the worst scenario - but you would be well advised to expand their space, and do be prepared to step in at any moment.
The only proviso with that is: the common outcome of a boar trio is ending up with a pair and a single but it is possible for all three to fight and then you’d need three separate cages for three single piggies.
Or
You look into which two are hanging out together most, keep them together and then separate out the other.

The one who is separate would need to be kept alongside the others. They need to be able to interact between the bars so the single one has companionship that way. Once separated they would never be able to have physical contact again.

The two together would need a 5x2 cage, and the single would need a minimum of a 3x2.

I’ve added some guides below

A Comprehensive Guide to Guinea Pig Boars
Boars: Teenage, Bullying, Fighting, Fall-outs And What Next?
 
Welcome to the forum.
My boy Micah was from the PAH adoption centre - every piggy deserves a good and loving home.
He was labelled as having to live alone as he couldn’t get on with other guinea pigs.
He had a very happy life with my sows after neutering.
Given the stories we sometimes hear about PAH. I think you can be assured that you have rescued your piggies.
Looking forward to pictures
 
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I’m sorry to hear this

It is known that the adoption section does sometimes contain piggies who aren’t sold in a timely manner and then are considered ‘too old’.
You have definitely still rescued them though, please don’t think you haven’t.

I’m sorry to say that three teenage boars together is usually a recipe for trouble - most don’t make it to adulthood.

It is the case that they go into a dominance phase and a period of reestablishing a hierarchy when moved to a new environment but with three boars it almost never works out successfully for the long term.

Also a 6x2 is far too small for three boars - normal cage sizing requirements go out the window when boars are involved. They are very territorial and while a lot of space doesn’t make a bond work, lack of it will cause issues.
For three boars you would be looking at needing at least a 9x3 c&c to provide enough territory per pig - but even with that space, they would be no more likely to make it together

You could perhaps see how things go - in a hope for the best but be prepared for the worst scenario - but you would be well advised to expand their space, and do be prepared to step in at any moment.
The only proviso with that is: the common outcome of a boar trio is ending up with a pair and a single but it is possible for all three to fight and then you’d need three separate cages for three single piggies.
Or
You look into which two are hanging out together most, keep them together and then separate out the other.

The one who is separate would need to be kept alongside the others. They need to be able to interact between the bars so the single one has companionship that way. Once separated they would never be able to have physical contact again.

The two together would need a 5x2 cage, and the single would need a minimum of a 3x2.

I’ve added some guides below

A Comprehensive Guide to Guinea Pig Boars
Boars: Teenage, Bullying, Fighting, Fall-outs And What Next?
Thank you for this.

I find the whole situation quite upsetting. The two smaller ones ( Cookie and Ginger nut) are the ones rumble strutting, at first it was the larger one (Hobnob) now I’m finding Cookie doing it to Gingernut more often and today I saw him puff himself up. There hasn’t been any fighting that I’ve seen and I am handling them every day so I would notice any injuries. Not sure how quickly I can knock up another cage.

At night and when they rest they all take themselves off alone. If nervous (only had them 2 weeks) they are often all hiding together so there isn’t a huge us and them mentality appearing just yet.

Hobnob is the tricolour guinea
Ginger Nut is Ginger with a white streak
Cookie is a cream and black colouring

I’ll do whatever necessary to keep them safe. Can’t bear to think about parting with one. Luckily they are in my daughters playroom so toys will be going before any of the biscuit boys do
 

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They are lovely boys!

Unfortunately you aren’t the first to be sold three boars by a shop. It’s an upsetting situation for a new owner to find themselves in.
It’s a situation you would have to watch very closely and have a plan to have another cage made up at short notice.
While fighting is something to definitely watch out for, it is also a possibility of quiet isolation of one or even two of them from bullying. If a piggy starts taking themselves off, avoiding another one etc then that can be a sign of bullying.

The reason boar trios fail is due to their inability to form a functioning hierarchy - usually you end up with two who want to be dominant and particularly where teenagers are concerned, it doesn’t work.
It is sometimes possible for two of them to be so laid back that they are just prepared to let the other take over but that is usually only the case in very elderly boars (4/5 years old plus) - if you want to take a watch and wait approach, then that is scenario you are hoping for.

In the meantime I would advise that you have three of everything (including hay piles), and avoid using any food bowls. Instead scatter veg and their portion of pellets around the entire cage. This encourages mental stimulation and gives them something else to think about other than dominance; but it also stops any one of them from being able to hog food

Bonds In Trouble
 
They are lovely boys!

Unfortunately you aren’t the first to be sold three boars by a shop. It’s an upsetting situation for a new owner to find themselves in.
It’s a situation you would have to watch very closely and have a plan to have another cage made up at short notice.
While fighting is something to definitely watch out for, it is also a possibility of quiet isolation of one or even two of them from bullying. If a piggy starts taking themselves off, avoiding another one etc then that can be a sign of bullying.

The reason boar trios fail is due to their inability to form a functioning hierarchy - usually you end up with two who want to be dominant and particularly where teenagers are concerned, it doesn’t work.
It is sometimes possible for two of them to be so laid back that they are just prepared to let the other take over but that is usually only the case in very elderly boars (4/5 years old plus) - if you want to take a watch and wait approach, then that is scenario you are hoping for.

In the meantime I would advise that you have three of everything (including hay piles), and avoid using any food bowls. Instead scatter veg and their portion of pellets around the entire cage. This encourages mental stimulation and gives them something else to think about other than dominance; but it also stops any one of them from being able to hog food

Bonds In Trouble
thank you I do appreciate your reply

I have an outdoor run that I could bring into the house to use temporarily and spare beds etc until I got a full second cage. I also have a pop up play pen that I could use while I got that sorted. I’m just not sure which way the split would go - which 2 stay together.

I’ll remove food bowls and do scatter feeds from tomorrow
 
thank you I do appreciate your reply

I have an outdoor run that I could bring into the house to use temporarily and spare beds etc until I got a full second cage. I also have a pop up play pen that I could use while I got that sorted. I’m just not sure which way the split would go - which 2 stay together.

I’ll remove food bowls and do scatter feeds from tomorrow

Keep observing them - if you aren’t seeing any obvious issues right now then you have time - they may well show you who is happiest together (or one may show you he is the one who needs to be removed through over zealous dominance behaviours)
 
There are guides to ageing piggies, usually it is the nails that tell the most. Thick and twisty nails mean the piggy is about two or more. Members of the public sometimes return piggies even after a couple of years and Hobnob might be a returned piggy 🥺 bunged in with two you get piggies. It may be that if the five month olds (they are sometimes overestimated in age by P@H are behaving because of the older boar, but might challenge him when they are a few months older. This is a good age to neuter one or both of your youngsters as they will recover from the op much more easily at their age and also it makes it easier to find partners for them in due course if you lose a piggy. Male female bonds are usually easier to set up and maintain.
When you clean, leave plenty of used litter or bedding to maintain the familiar scent markings as this helps to prevent bickering. Cleaning all in one go can upset their bonds, so just clean half the cage at a time to keep the "seasoning" around.
Your piggies are delightful 🥰 They look very healthy, which counts for a lot and is good news. You should start looking for a good vet as soon as possible as you need a vet who treats piggies regularly and knows, for instance, not to give them penicillin or steroids as these are routinely used in dogs and cats, but are dangerous to rodents.
Congratulations on your lovely pets, I hope you have a lovely long time with them 🥰
 
Ah @Kzj you’ve had great advice
I just wanted to say how lovely for you to rescue these boys
And what beautiful boys they are 🥰
I’m hoping it will be ok but you have great plans already in case you have to step in
 
Thanks everyone for the advice - I feel a bit more prepared for splitting one away if/when needed. I’ll source some more c and c panels so I can put together the second cage.

Bowls removed and pellets scattered, all seems calm right now. It was cage clean day today (the full one), so I have done a half cage clean instead.

Re comments on ageing - Hobnobs nails were twisted and very long the other two are nothing like that.

I thought I’d add a photo showing the size difference.
 

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