New Guinea Pigs Unsettled And Unhappy

Pazzy

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We’ve had our two pigs for exactly a month today and I’m really concerned that they are just not happy. It’s rather getting us down seeing their sad little faces peering out of their hidey holes. They don’t popcorn, they don’t wheek, they just sit there, hoping we don’t look at them. They don’t even seem to like each other that much even though they are sisters, they very rarely go into the same hidey hole and on the rare occasion they run about (only for a few minutes and only at night when the lights are dim) they go up to each other and raise their heads in what seems to me quite an angry manner.

We got them at 6 weeks old from a breeder (which I now understand probably wasn’t the right thing to do, I so wish we’d had rescue ones). Though she clearly cared about them and they all had lots of space and the girls had free run of the garden. She said that their father (whom we saw) was one of the only guinea pigs she’d had who was really quite aggressive towards other boars – eg if she mistakenly left his cage open whilst getting his food he would try to get out and bite another nearby boar.

I’m hoping that they are still settling in. They have gone from living outside in a shed with lots of other guinea pigs and their mother to being inside with us, our three children and lots of noise. We have a cage in the kitchen and a run in the sitting room. But basically they rarely move from their hidey holes – it is quite an occasion if one of us spots that one of them is out and about.

Strangely, though they are clearly nervous of us, they will sit on our knee and wolf down veg, when they’ve finished they pull frantically at our clothes and then when we put them back in their cage or run will have a quick look around, see if there’s any new food, have a quick bite and then back to their hidey holes until we next pick them up and give them more veg. Apart from when sitting on us they must do their eating in the night (they are putting on weight and their output is plenty!).

What can we do? Should I keep them just in the cage (which is sort of behind the kitchen table and is raised), until they are more settled, they seem even less likely to come out of hidey holes in their run as it is on the floor and I think they feel more exposed as we walk right by it.

I went into Pets at Home today to get some food and there were 6 young pigs in one area, all of whom were running around popcorning and eating and just looking generally happy. They didn’t run for cover when they saw me. One was even asleep with its eyes shut – I thought, given what I know of PaH that it must be ill, but no, I saw it wake up, yawn, stretch and popcorn off. It makes me feel so sad that I can never imagine our guinea pigs doing anything like this at all.

I’m annoyed that we got them from a breeder. And I’m really sad that my children won’t have the lovely experience I had with my guinea pigs when I was young. Or am I overreacting? Is it just a matter of time? Is there anything I can do to help them? - add a third pig? Are they psychologically damaged? Many thanks for any ideas or advice.
 
Hello, welcome to the forum, sorry your thread has got missed, will have a read now
 
First off I promise your piggies aren't psychologically damaged :) It's okay, Piggies are prey animals, the prey instinct is huge in piggies and takes a while to overcome.

First off, it sounds like you are doing some things well. It sounds like they have a hidey each :) that is good. Also it doesn't sound like they are fighting, if the were you'd notice it, there'd be rumbling and squealing.

It sounds like you have them in a busy part of the house so it is about starting to build up the trust with your piggies

Here are a few threads it will be worth a read of
How Do I Settle Shy New Guinea Pigs?
How To Understand Guinea Pig Instincts And Speak Piggy Body Language
How To Pick Up And Weigh Your Guinea Pig
All Kinds Of Biting And What You Can Do

We always start off after a few days by trying to hand feed a few veggy treats in the cage by offering some nice veggies to the new piggy when they are in their hidey, hopefully they will take it off you as you hold it in for them... after a while try offering it a little further from the hidey so they edge out and take it from you.
Food is the best way to bribe, use food when you get round to lap times also. Start lap time for a short amount of time at first and build up. We started off we laptimes for 1 minute with new piggies then pop them back, slowly increasing the time. They will soon associate you with food and good things but at first it takes a while to gain their trust.

How big is there cage?
 
Hi there have you got a photo of your cage, that may be the first place to try, the size, is it a normal one or a C&C cage. What substrate, do you use, what size is the cage, & last how old are they, what sex. Hay veggies. Do you give them a daily cuddle! Do they have floor space. Going through all that there may be something glaringly obvious. Like Sport Billy says they might just need a nudge in the right way.
Sorry it's so long.
 
Hi, thanks so much for the replies. I’ve read and re-read the threads. Its sad, but I’m constantly worried about them, I thought they’d bring so much joy! Anyway, the children love them and I’m trying not to pass my worry onto them.

No, I’m pretty sure they’re not fighting – they’d have to come out to fight! Their cage is a normal one and is about the minimum size for 2. They’re on fleece. It’s in a dark corner of the kitchen. The plan was that they would use that at night and spend their days in the large C&C run in the sitting room. But they seem even more unhappy and unlikely to venture out from their hidey holes when in that. I mean literally they stay in for hours without moving. Then I get worried and take them out, feed them veggies sitting on my knee and put them back in their cage, where they go straight to their hidey holes, but very occasionally venture out for a bit of food. I’ve been weighing them every couple of days as I never see them eat very much at all. If I put veggies in a different part of the cage (ie not right inside hidey holes) they don’t touch them until we’ve all gone to bed.

They have daily cuddles – 3 or 4 times a day, perhaps. I do it when I feel they need to eat, because this is indeed when they will eat veg. and then will have a nibble on hay for 2 or 3 minutes when I put them back in the cage. Sorry – I’m don’t have a phone which takes photos – a bit old-fashioned like that.

They are sows and were 10 weeks old yesterday.

Would it help or hinder getting a 3rd happy and more confident pig? We’ve got extra c&c grids to expand.

Many thanks

Pascale
 
I meant to say, unfortunately we can't put them anywhere else in the house, other than the kitchen or sitting room. It may well be too noisy and scary for them. And perhaps my constant cheery hello's and peering in at them doesn't help - particularly as it is a little forced seeing as I'm worried! Poor, poor little things. They just seem so unhappy. If I could I'd take them to Peru or Colombia and release them into a wild group (having first made sure they would be accepted and not shunned as foreigners!)
 
My pigs were like this when we first got them. Try handfeeding them some veg through the cage when you enter the room. It will take time but the best way to win them over is food. Getting another pig could stress them out more. Maybe try picking them up only once or twice a day as guinea pigs don't like being lifted off the ground and even the most tame guinea pig will run away when being picked up.
Hope they get more settled soon!
 
Before I got my own piggies I fostered for an animal sanctuary where I volunteer. There isn't much time to handle the piggies, so I fostered them to get them used to it. They all came to me exactly as you describe yours, but with plenty of interaction and the bribery of food, they came around. They may always be a wee bit skittish depending on their innate natures though. My three boys are as friendly as can be until you try to pick them up, then off they run and hide. Once they learn to trust you they'll be better.
 
You sound EXACTLY how I did with my first two girls, they were the same as yours. All I can say is don't panic! They will come around and when they do it will be magical seeing their transformation. Cissy and Bella (my first two) were petrified, hiding and were scared of the wind. Now they are constantly coming to find me for some lovin' (and food obviously :))) and they couldn't be happier.

I was convinced they hated me and was so upset wondering if they would be better off going to a new home (I was being irrational haha) but they came on leaps and bounds and now Bella especially tries to climb up my arms like a creature from a horror film because she wants to come out for a cuddle :))

I know exactly how you're feeling, it will not help you in the slightest to say they just need time, patience and bribery then you'll all be a big happy family... But unfortunately it's the truth! Some pigs are more nervous than others, I think just stick with the 2 and maybe try to make it a quieter environment for the time being? I found putting a big towel over half of the cage also helped and talk to them very quietly with some romaine lettuce at hand.

Good luck to you all, hope they start relaxing a bit soon! :)
 
Thanks everyone for both suggestions and reassurance! It’s ridiculous but I really have been having sleepless nights over this. I’m going to start a new regime tomorrow and not pick them up so often or for so long, but spend more time trying to feed them in their cage (and without the children around). So a month is still early days? I suppose I just thought that as they were so young when we got them that it would be easier for them. And I think I thought that having them on our knees as much as possible and for quite a while would help, probably just too much for the poor little things. I might also give up with the run for a little while other than at night when they actually do seem to run around in it when the lights are low and I think they think we’re not there!
 
Firstly, you are doing absolutely nothing wrong! As others have said, it is very early days!

One of mine has been here for over 2 years and the other for a few months. They do come out from their hides and run around but they mostly run out, grab food, and run back under a hide to eat!

If you have them in the run, it may help them feel more secure if you peg a sheet or suchlike over about 3/4 of the run so they don't feel so exposed.

I'm sure they will be fine :)
 
Thanks everyone for both suggestions and reassurance! It’s ridiculous but I really have been having sleepless nights over this. I’m going to start a new regime tomorrow and not pick them up so often or for so long, but spend more time trying to feed them in their cage (and without the children around). So a month is still early days? I suppose I just thought that as they were so young when we got them that it would be easier for them. And I think I thought that having them on our knees as much as possible and for quite a while would help, probably just too much for the poor little things. I might also give up with the run for a little while other than at night when they actually do seem to run around in it when the lights are low and I think they think we’re not there!

Not ridiculous at all, it just means you care! :)

It is still early days, so much going on for them right now. I think I started to make real progress after 2 months, they started to come out to see what I had for them. It's quite quiet in my house though so if it takes a little longer for you babies don't be offended, they're just getting used to their new surroundings and family :)
 
Honestly, it sounds as though they are still settling in. I've had some extremely nervous pigs who went on to become great pets once they had settled. They have had a big change in their environment and some pigs settle easier than others do. I actually have my pigs in our family room area (my kids are older now, but we got our first pair when they were between 7 and 2 years, so we've had them around young children.) It does take time for them to adjust to noise. That said, all of our pigs adjusted well and ended up being an integral part of the family because they were in a busy family area and got lots of interaction from the kids.

Personally, I am a big advocate of holding new pigs daily after giving them a week or so to settle in (which you have done.) I try to give them a snack, pat them, and give them one-on-one time once a day. A lot of pigs are initially skittish about handling, but all of mine have adapted relatively quickly, although not all of them were lap pets who wanted to be held all the time. I use a fleece blankie to try to keep fur off me and so that they are consistently able to snuggle up in something that smells familiar. The kids like helping to socialize new pigs by holding them covered up in a blanket on their laps (with supervision when they were younger.) The handling and snacks did seem to help them realize that we were not going to eat them and they did eventually settle in even to our relatively busy house.

I would also not worry too much about the dynamics between the two pigs. Many pigs are bonded but do not want to snuggle up all the time. It doesn't mean that they dislike each other. Not every pig is a snuggler!

Hope this helps a bit!
 
I would only have laptime once a day also they enjoy a run out of the cages. They like routine, if you keep getting them out, they might end up getting confused. How are they once you get them out.
I think everyone worries at some point, after all these are family. Try to be positive otherwise the piggies will pick up the vibes you. What you could do, a lot of people put they piggys cage in a run, & leave there cage open so they can come & grow. Shut it at bedtime. Runs are a great place for your children can interact. That is if you haven't got a cat, (you can always put a lid on it.) or a Great Dane. If you have a young child just be there to supervise, a drop could cripple them, or kill them.
You can ask us anything that worries you & someone will have the answer, but most of all ENJOY. If you haven't got a phone with a camera we can't see them go borrow someone else's we LOVE, piggy pictures. Lol. You will be fine.

I forgot, Hi & Welcome to our friendly forum.
 
My two sows were like that for a few months when I first got them (from a wonderful rescue). They are often to be seen out and about wheeking for food now and will sit and eat on my lap.

I recently added a toung baor (neutered and kept separate for 6 weeks post op) and he still hides away a fair bit but even he is coming round now.

Food patience and more food. Keeo us posted!
 
Thanks again everyone, really helpful suggestions. It’s interesting because seeing as they will happily sit on our knees and eat voraciously I thought that we had the eating thing in the bag. But as some of you suggested, I tried (well, we have all tried) to feed them when they are in their cage, in their hidey holes and they don’t eat from our hands. Finally though, at about midnight last night I tried again and they each had a basil leaf. We are going to rearrange our set up and get rid of the cage from the kitchen (which is a real shame as my husband made it and I made made-to-measure fleeces and it took weeks!) and we are going to convert our C&C run into a permanent cage which will be 5x2 so larger than the one we made. It will be in the sitting room, so a little calmer and quieter for them, and, as suggested, we’ll cover it to start with so they feel less exposed. I was always a bit worried about them in the kitchen anyway as we quite often seem to burn stuff… and I did think that it mightn’t be too good for their delicate lungs.

Will try to post photos, but will have to get husband to do it! And frankly he is absolutely sick of guinea pigs! It has been all I (more than the children) have talked about for weeks and weeks (from before we got them), about how worried I am, about how lovely their faces are, whether we should give them more cabbage or if it is too high in calcium, etc! I even made him buy me one of the expensive Dyson’s to clear up after them.

They are lovely though – Chocolate Lollipop looks like a water vole and Pippi like a chinchilla.
 
You will get there I promise and I think the move to the sitting room will really help a lot. The quieter environment should keep them a little calmer :0 Good news on the basil leaf too :) Look forward to pigtures of them both
 
Pazzy, the sitting room would be great, mine are housed there, every time we pass them we give them a stroke or chat to them. We've got a boar called Chester, he is a nut we go to talk to him, & he starts popcorning around the cage.
 
Thanks again everyone, really helpful suggestions. It’s interesting because seeing as they will happily sit on our knees and eat voraciously I thought that we had the eating thing in the bag. But as some of you suggested, I tried (well, we have all tried) to feed them when they are in their cage, in their hidey holes and they don’t eat from our hands. Finally though, at about midnight last night I tried again and they each had a basil leaf. We are going to rearrange our set up and get rid of the cage from the kitchen (which is a real shame as my husband made it and I made made-to-measure fleeces and it took weeks!) and we are going to convert our C&C run into a permanent cage which will be 5x2 so larger than the one we made. It will be in the sitting room, so a little calmer and quieter for them, and, as suggested, we’ll cover it to start with so they feel less exposed. I was always a bit worried about them in the kitchen anyway as we quite often seem to burn stuff… and I did think that it mightn’t be too good for their delicate lungs.

Will try to post photos, but will have to get husband to do it! And frankly he is absolutely sick of guinea pigs! It has been all I (more than the children) have talked about for weeks and weeks (from before we got them), about how worried I am, about how lovely their faces are, whether we should give them more cabbage or if it is too high in calcium, etc! I even made him buy me one of the expensive Dyson’s to clear up after them.

They are lovely though – Chocolate Lollipop looks like a water vole and Pippi like a chinchilla.
LOL... my husband is certainly sick of hearing about guinea pigs too! "Awwww.... look at the piggies? How cute are they? Look at that little face!" He just rolls his eyes at me by now!
 
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