New guineapig bonding worries

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Hi all,

I'm hoping I can get some advice on my current piggy situation, I have 3 female guineapigs, all around the age of 5 months, 1 slightly younger. They live in an outdoor double tier hutch, 2ftx6ft with a connecting ramp between floors.

We bought Bramble and Kupo as a pair a month ago and after the initial settling phase they settled well as a pair with Kupo being dominant and Bramble not fighting for leadership. Relationships between us and them were also on a good path; handfeeding, sniffing fingers and allowing the hand to move around them without running away etc.

My daughter had done so well helping me look after the pigs (even the yucky stuff) and learning about them that we decided to buy her her own piggy when we found the right one. So 2 weeks ago we rescued Pumpkin, who was quite a calm little pig who had been well handled by the rescue centre staff. She had been put into adoption as she's had an eye abscess when younger which meant she had been isolated from other piggies for around 4 weeks. The eye infection had completely cleared up and her vision was only left slightly impaired on that side. We kept Pumpkin in a indoor hutch for just over a week so she could get used to us and our noises.

Once she had settled well and started hand feeding, and coming out into the hutch run area more we started to let the guineapigs sniff each other through the bars, the pair sniffed and seemed interested, make good small chatter noises to each other, Pumpkin became very excited - a side we hadn't seen previously she started to run around her run, squeaking loudly, climbing the walls and sniffing, popcorning etc so the next day we put them into a neutral run area with a dividing panel, lots of food and a few tunnels (2 ended). They sniffed at each other through the bars and seemed ok so we lifted out the divider.

They then spent a good 2 hours in the run together, Pumpkin stayed submissive, she was smaller than the pair, there was mutual bum sniffing, a bit of following, Kupo did some rumble strutting and lifted her chin, there was a few chases, but no lunges, at that stage it looked like playing. There was a small amount of nipping from Bramble to Pumpkin, which surprised me but I think that she was just establishing that she was above her in the pecking order.

While they were all in the run we cleaned out the outdoor hutch, disinfected and rearranged the toys. Then as there had been no fighting we moved all 3 back into the hutch together. That was 4 days ago. I'm sorry for the wall of text I just wanted to make sure you had the background information in case it was relevant.

So the current situation is that Pumpkin is not integrating with the pair, there was a lot of chasing/nipping in the first 2 days, and although that has calmed down she is still chased out of the bed area and if one of the pair go into a tunnel or corner she's sat in she bolts away. They aren't blocking her from food/drink though and she eats at the same time although a bit a nervously. This morning we found she had a nick on her ear, its already scabbed over and isn't large at all. She has no other signs of fighting though, no missing fur etc so I'm hopefull that its just a misjudged nipping.

At this point I'm not sure what to do for the best, whether I should take her out and continue with bonding sessions in neutral spaces or if there is hope that this is normal "new pig" behaviour and it will settle down.

I would appreciate any advice,
 
Personally I would leave them be for the time being. 4 days is no time at all and like you say she's eating and drinking well and has come to no serious harm so I would give them a couple of weeks to get used to each other before you start worrying. I am no expert though but this is what I would do in this circumstance. I hope they end up becoming friends. Good luck!
 
What size hutch are they in?
 
Personally I would leave them be for the time being. 4 days is no time at all and like you say she's eating and drinking well and has come to no serious harm so I would give them a couple of weeks to get used to each other before you start worrying. I am no expert though but this is what I would do in this circumstance. I hope they end up becoming friends. Good luck!

Thanks for the response :) I'm trying not to worry (its not working xD ) but she is still eating well, and today she was nose to nose with Kupo and didnt bolt away, so thats progress - Bramble is still chasing her though. Hopefully it will settle down with time, I'm keeping my eye on them in the meantime.
 
Sounds normal to me, this can continue until Pumpkin is pushed too far and tells them to stop then it will all settle down. They need to know how far they can push her to establish piggy order in the hutch lol.
I've never had girls not get on. I had two piggies and one was pushed to the limit for about 6 weeks! Finally one day she got sick of it and turn round and did a few nips back....finally the hierarchy is established and all is well. Don't worry just let them do what they need to do, if you seperate them it will start all over again!
 
Sounds normal to me, this can continue until Pumpkin is pushed too far and tells them to stop then it will all settle down. They need to know how far they can push her to establish piggy order in the hutch lol.
I've never had girls not get on. I had two piggies and one was pushed to the limit for about 6 weeks! Finally one day she got sick of it and turn round and did a few nips back....finally the hierarchy is established and all is well. Don't worry just let them do what they need to do, if you separate them it will start all over again!
Thankyou Kindness :) Hopefully it wont take her too long then! My 6yr old has been out talking quite seriously to the boss pig Kupo asking her very nicely if she can stop Bramble chasing Pumpkin! and has even resorted to trying to bribe her with the biggest dandelion leaves xD

We have had more progress though, she's started to go into the bed area without being chased out instantly - which is a big relief for me, I am dreading the thought of autumn/winter setting in and her still being by herself overnight out in the run area part of the hutch (still enclosed just not as cosy as the sheltered bed area with 2 bigger piggies body heat!)
 
Thankyou Kindness :) Hopefully it wont take her too long then! My 6yr old has been out talking quite seriously to the boss pig Kupo asking her very nicely if she can stop Bramble chasing Pumpkin! and has even resorted to trying to bribe her with the biggest dandelion leaves xD

We have had more progress though, she's started to go into the bed area without being chased out instantly - which is a big relief for me, I am dreading the thought of autumn/winter setting in and her still being by herself overnight out in the run area part of the hutch (still enclosed just not as cosy as the sheltered bed area with 2 bigger piggies body heat!)

I've never had to bond piggies before, but from what you've said and what I understand is that the reason Bramble is chasing and nipping Pumpkin, is that she is protecting her place in the herd hierarchy. She wants Pumpkin to know that she is the No.2 piggy and Pumpkin is the undersow of the group.
 
I've never had to bond piggies before, but from what you've said and what I understand is that the reason Bramble is chasing and nipping Pumpkin, is that she is protecting her place in the herd hierarchy. She wants Pumpkin to know that she is the No.2 piggy and Pumpkin is the undersow of the group.
Hi Janey, I really hope that's all it is, there does seem to be a bit more peace between them, so fingers crossed it will settle down soon :) I've never bonded piggies before either - I kept them when I was a little girl and there either wasn't any problems or I didnt notice, so this is all a bit new to me :)
 
Thankyou Kindness :) Hopefully it wont take her too long then! My 6yr old has been out talking quite seriously to the boss pig Kupo asking her very nicely if she can stop Bramble chasing Pumpkin! and has even resorted to trying to bribe her with the biggest dandelion leaves xD

We have had more progress though, she's started to go into the bed area without being chased out instantly - which is a big relief for me, I am dreading the thought of autumn/winter setting in and her still being by herself overnight out in the run area part of the hutch (still enclosed just not as cosy as the sheltered bed area with 2 bigger piggies body heat!)
You will see that the top piggy gets the best hidey house and the other or others will be relegated to the least secure hidey. So having 3 good hideaways is essential for them all to feel secure. One of my piggies boots the other piggy out of her cosy hammock and the other piggy gets relegated to the log bridge so I had to get two cosies so they both stay warm.
 
I've never had to bond piggies before, but from what you've said and what I understand is that the reason Bramble is chasing and nipping Pumpkin, is that she is protecting her place in the herd hierarchy. She wants Pumpkin to know that she is the No.2 piggy and Pumpkin is the undersow of the group.
Yes there has to be piggy master of the hutch, the better the hutch the more the dominant will want to stay top piggy. Some piggies live to be top piggy and will make sure every piggy knows its place especially if they step out of line but other piggies are not bothered with being the bottom piggy of the herd they are just grateful to have a herd. It sounds as though Bramble wants to keep her top piggy position which means she gets the best hideaway or sleeping area and everyone respects her etc, once it's all sorted nipping shouldn't be seen at all or very rarely. Think of it as someone wants to be the big sister (So they get first pick of the best toys and then divide the other toys between the siblings etc)
Piggies sometimes don't cuddle together sometimes they need their space and like to sleep apart but will listen out to make sure the other is near by.
 
"Kindness, post: 2179095, member: 129652" So having 3 good hideaways is essential for them all to feel secure.

Thankfully that part is already solved for us - as soon as we saw that Kupo was a bossy pig (evident after day 2 of ownership! xD ) we got extra tunnels, so they currently have 3 hides in the bed area and 2 in the run - all with 2 openings.

We've had more progress again today though - Pumpkin was in the bed are this morning when I went out with their breakfast! I'm hoping this means she's started to sleep there, if not, its at the least a step in the right direction, and also has been in her fave tunnel with both Kupo & Bramble and not run away, she even tried to sneak some lettuce that Bramble was chewing on, which Bramble didnt react too! :D
 
Thankfully that part is already solved for us - as soon as we saw that Kupo was a bossy pig (evident after day 2 of ownership! xD ) we got extra tunnels, so they currently have 3 hides in the bed area and 2 in the run - all with 2 openings.

We've had more progress again today though - Pumpkin was in the bed are this morning when I went out with their breakfast! I'm hoping this means she's started to sleep there, if not, its at the least a step in the right direction, and also has been in her fave tunnel with both Kupo & Bramble and not run away, she even tried to sneak some lettuce that Bramble was chewing on, which Bramble didnt react too! :D
Thats great news 💖
 
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