New supreme science guinea pig food for urinary problems

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More will be announced at our veterinary congress this next week, but there is a new food out called Vetcare Plus for piggies. Here is what they say about it. I think its a monoforage (similar to Fibafirst stuff)

VetCarePlus Multi-Modal Formula (MMF) has been developed to meet the needs of guinea pigs that are susceptible to urinary tract disorders, digestive upset, or are overweight or prone to weight gain. It is also suitable for guinea pigs that are reluctant to feed. Its formulation reflects the idea that these health disorders may be connected.

Heres the link:
http://www.supremepetfoods.com/zones/vet-zone/furry-thinking-april-2012/

Looks like the veterinary world is starting to get there with the small furry health, very slowly. :)

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Wow! Brilliant - I'd certainly give it a go as I have a female piggie who suffers from cystitis now and then. Thanks for sharing
 
Thanks for highlighting this - could be a breakthrough as you said.
I have the Science Selective which all my piggies like, contains dandelion, nettle etc. so may give this a whirl (have a bladder piggy) :))
 
THis looks good - my piggies dont have any problems at the moment - so would it be suitable to feed as a preventative do you know ?
 
Abi_nurse said:
Possibly.? I'm not going to BSAVA (British small animal veterinary association) congress this year, but i will see if some of my friends can pick me some up if they are giving it out.

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Sometimes if you email asking them for a sample and they don't have any at the time they stick you on like a waiting list and get in touch with you when they get some in! :)
 
Mmmm - they wouldn't get away with that level of evidence for their claims with a human foodstuff or medication. I've been very cautious about new feeds ever since the time that a specialist gerbil food was brought out and many of us had gerbils loose teeth on it.

I will personally continue with limited burgess pellets and unlimited good quality hay supplemented with grass and a range of veggies.

Paula
 
TAN said:
THis looks good - my piggies dont have any problems at the moment - so would it be suitable to feed as a preventative do you know ?
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I dont know, there is very little information out on the product, all i have seen is the page i linked you lot too at the moment. Will let you knw if i find out more.

Racheal - didnt think to email... will put it on my 'to do' list. :)

Paulag - OOO err with the Gerbil food, to be honest there are a huge amount of scientific evidence and trials that go into veterinary based foods (eg Royal Canin/Hills/Burgess/Supreme Science etc), many of the foods really do make a difference. For example renal foods for cats lower phosphate levels in the blood helping reduce burdens on the kidneys helping lengthen life. I have been known as a food snob by a former colleage, but i really do believe that good nutrition and special diets really can work. A lot of work goes into these things. I dont know what happened with your Gerbil food. :( I agree i will continue with my usual feeding regieme, but if i have a urinary pig in the future i will consider a change in diet.

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I think I too will sample this one, as two of my pigs have has bladder crystal issues, and one girl has had a bloated tummy since my switching them off Gerty to Burgess. Don't think I've quite found the best one for them yet. I'll just cover my eyes when the payment part comes up!
 
Well it took a day or so for the boys to get into this but it's now a hit...haven't heard any wheeks while peeing and they have been on it for a few weeks now
 
Same, great success! Shame it's only available online with a 2 quid delivery charge on top, but its the best food my 3 have been on, so I'm sticking :)
 
Does anyone have the full list of ingredients they could share please? I can't find it online. Thanks loads. :)
 
I am going to have to start getting my dog food on line. Just wonder if Bertie would be better on this food, I am sure his wee is sometimes a funny colour!rolleyes
 
I bought some of this in the end, and Cassie pig loves it. It is almost identical to Fibafirst before they changed it recently.
 
Has anyone had any longish term results with this? I have a boar who is prone to cystitis and has a sludgy bladder, so I'm interested. If anyone has any experience to share that would be fab!

Thanks
 
I know this is an old thread, but I wondered if anyone had a long term results/experience with this. Thinking of changing to this for Jerry who is struggling a bit with his bladder sludge at the moment
 
Hi Jerry
My New vet has put my boar and Bea on this -as she uses it herself for her bladder pigs - the stuff is brilliant! Took a few days for them to get into it,but no squeeking from Bumble at all on it - until I ran out for a few days when we moved and the squeeking and pink wee came back (he has sludge as well a s a kidney stone) It looks weird though,its like long matted bits of straw - but worth every penny.
 
TAN said:
Hi Jerry
My New vet has put my boar and Bea on this -as she uses it herself for her bladder pigs - the stuff is brilliant! Took a few days for them to get into it,but no squeeking from Bumble at all on it - until I ran out for a few days when we moved and the squeeking and pink wee came back (he has sludge as well a s a kidney stone) It looks weird though,its like long matted bits of straw - but worth every penny.
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Thanks :) Jerry has had bladder sludge for nearly 2 years, and has been up and down with it since. He has a run of good months with no blood or squeaky wees, and then a difficult few days. We manage it the best we can with Metacam and Cystaid. He's on timothy-based nuggets, but I've just come across this food which I assume will be even lower in calcium.

How long have your lot been on it now?
 
It's not low calcium. Problem is that they don't state how much calcium is in there. I had big problems with it, calcium wise.
 
Info taken from their website:

The product benefits include:
High crude fibre – 25%
All fibre is 100% beneficial
Blended with selected Timothy Hay
Reduced calcium to decrease urinary concentration of calcium
High vitamin C – 1,000 mg/kg, to provide higher requirements in stressful situations
High in Omega-3 fatty acids to help calm inflamed tissues
Added cranberry – antioxidant & urinary aid
Added dandelion & nettle – natural diuretics & antioxidants
16% high quality protein to help support the immune system
Lower energy content to help avoid weight gain
No need to limit intake – although weight should be monitored
Rich in long fibre for digestive health
Encourage extended feeding time
Promotes dental wear

Composition
Dried timothy hay, ground peas, soybean meal, carob pod meal, alfalfa protein extract, flaked oats, linseeds, soya oil, dried nettle (1%), dried Echinacea, dried dandelion (1%), dried cranberries (0.5%), ground wheat, salt, monodicalcium phosphate, mannanoligosaccharide.

Analytical Constituents
Protein 16.0%, Crude fibre 25.0%, Fat content 3.5%, Inorganic matter 7.5%. Calcium 0.5%, Phosphorus 0.4%.
Nutritional Additives / KG
Vitamin A 23000 IU, vitamin C 1000mg, vitamin D3 1500 IU, vitamin E 60mg, ferrous sulphate monohydrate 152mg, calcium iodate anhydrous 1.5 mg, copper sulphate pentahydrate 20 mg, manganese oxide 38mg, zinc oxide 62mg, sodium selenite 0.2mg.
 
My order of this has just arrived. It's really funny looking! I offered Jerry a small piece and he snatched it from my hand and ran off with it so I think that's a good sign!
 
Pigjes said:
It's not low calcium. Problem is that they don't state how much calcium is in there. I had big problems with it, calcium wise.
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My friend has done lots of research on the best pellets for bladder issues and liased with Vitakraft who have actually confirmed that it is low calcium, the levels are 0.4% (min) 0.8% (max), phos 0.4% exactly the same as Oxbow’s new Naturals Range, but without any supplemented calcium carbonate or cobalt, no binders, no fillers, no taste enhancers, no soya, no grains, no molasses, no locust.
 
Jerrybelly said:
Thanks :) Jerry has had bladder sludge for nearly 2 years, and has been up and down with it since. He has a run of good months with no blood or squeaky wees, and then a difficult few days. We manage it the best we can with Metacam and Cystaid. He's on timothy-based nuggets, but I've just come across this food which I assume will be even lower in calcium.

How long have your lot been on it now?
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Hi
I am back on now - we have only been on it about 6/8 weeks - but made a huge difference within 10 days when syringing extra water as well - a few days off it and the squeeking and pink wee is back.
 
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