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I was just wondering, what were some things more ignorant guinea pig owners were doing? The 'bad' owners (take the bad very loosely) could be you, a friend, someone you despise, something you read online, etc. Things that could obviously been solved by researching is pretty close to what I mean.

I was watching this youtube video a couple years back and this young girl was housing her guinea pigs in a cramped store-bought cage and one pig was a male and another was a female. Apparently she wanted to get her female guinea pig pregnant and have babies.

Another time I was watching this video on supplies to buy for new owners and the girl in the video was recommending some sort of softwood bedding, which I researched to be unsafe. Luckily the girl corrected herself but knowing YouTubers, people often don't read descriptions and might actually buy it. What a shame. I believe you can find this video pretty easy as it's one of the more popular beginner start-up videos.
 
This could be a useful thread but could also open up a whole can of worms. There's a possibility of putting new people off if they feel they may be labelled a bad owner for doing something that we do not advocate, plus many of us here, to be fair, have made mistakes.
My biggest mistakes with piggies was not enough research when it came to my first pig's repeated bladder issues. I did try two vets after the first prescribed round after round after round of Baytril (I booked with another to see if she would do anything different). She prescribed more Baytril so I assumed that was all there was. She then operated on her to remove some bladder cysts but this killed her. Personally I now believe that this was not the best treatment for her.
It's not fair to call yourself a bad owner after trusting your vet, so I forgave myself for that, but I have since learned that not all vets know much about guinea pigs, and I will always have regrets.

The best things to do:
The number one best thing to do for any prospective pet owner is research research research, but research on pet forums. Do not trust pet shop advice.
Note: Remember even with research we make mistakes. Example: My hamster died because of a mistake that both I and the vet made. She was a very active hammie, then one cold morning I found her shuffling around stiffly and randomly in her cage with her nose down. She looked like she was dying. I rushed her to the vet who informed me that she was dying, so I reluctantly agreed to her recommendation to put her to sleep. Very soon afterwards, on the forum that I regularly used and used for quite some time before getting her, I read that when they go into hibernation they often don't just curl up and slip into a deep sleep, they often go through a stage of shuffling around, stffly, looking in pain, just like my hammie. This had been a cold morning but both the vet and I had dismissed hibernation. All she needed was warming up. We killed a healthy hamster, and I couldn't forgive myself for a long time.
So remember , even when you have researched your pet very well mistakes can happen. Don't label yourself a bad owner if you have done what you can for your pet with the knowledge you had at the time. We all learn, and we keep learning even when we've already learned a lot!

Practices best avoided:
Things I've seen quite a few times, and seem to be common, often because of bad advice or misconceptions about piggy welfare.

Husbandry practices from decades past
Looking back to your childhood and how hutch animals were generally kept, and assuming this is the right way. No need for me to list old mistakes, but let's just say times have changed as knowledge has grown.

Unsuitable cages
Guinea pigs need comfort. Wire floors for example can cause serious foot conditions (look up Bumble Foot). These conditions cause pain, stress and even death.
Guinea pigs need and appreciate comfort, and luckily there are plenty of ways to provide this. Piggies are unusual in rodents in that most of them don't chew material to bits, so fleece products, nice and warm and soft, are very suitable.
Rule of thumb: If you could scale up their environment or if you could shrink yourself down to their's, would you be comfortable? Would you be too hot? too cold? Cramped? Uncomfortable? Bored? Dirty? They have similar needs to us in this regard. Is their accommodation draughty? Damp?
If a mini-you would be uncomfortable in their home, the chances are they are too!

Small Hutches/Cages. Let's be fair here, this is very common and well-meaning owners do this too. I blame both pet shops and books. I have several books, some of them published several decades a go to be fair, but are still sold to this day as being 'excellent guides to guinea pig husbandry'. Almost all of my books recommend small accommodation. Quotes such as "2 square foot is ideal for a pair" and "guinea pigs should be housed in small hutches because their eye-sight is bad and open spaces scare them". Shockingly bad advice but it's out there in abundance. Pet stores and cage manufacturers both claim that 80cm cages are fine.
If you have a small cage don't beat yourself up, my friend has her's in a 100cm cage which she shuts at night. During the day the piggies run around the kitchen and jump in and out of their cage. Lots of people have adapted small cages with attached runs. There's ways to enhance your piggies environment and expand their world :) A permanently large cage is the ideal. The larger, the better :)
If all you can fit in is a small cage and you cannot adapt it or let them run around, then it's best not to get guinea pigs until you are in a position to provide more suitable accommodation for them.
Cage Size Guide

Overcrowding
You can view this as being connected to cage size. More pigs need more space, else they will likely become annoyed with each other. They may even fight.

Wrong combinations of pigs - gender, numbers
Too many boars
: A pair will often work out well. They may fall out in their puberty months. Adults who choose each other by a process called boar dating are often very stable. Three or more boars usually end in fall-outs - expect fall-outs with three or more, you are lucky if they don't.
Lone pig: There is a misconception out there that boars always fight with other boars. This is not true. A pig of either gender may not get on with his or her cage mate, but it's very rare that they actually want to be alone. The vast majority of pigs crave company of other pigs.
Boar and Sow: Expect babies unless one of them has been neutered/spayed. If this has been done it can be a very good combination. A neutered boar and one or more sows is often a very good set-up. Do not put another boar in there though, the two boars will fight over the sows. Note: Wait six weeks after neutering a boar before placing him together with the sow/s. Latent sperm can live for up to six weeks and pregnancy is still possible.
Behaviour and Bonding

Which brings us on to:
Breeding: I'm not going to claim it's out-right wrong. If we didn't have the genuinely caring small-scale hobby-breeders then what are you left with? Back-to-back mill/intensive commercial breeders, accidental pregnancies and inexperienced and indiscriminate breeding from owners who get out of their depths with it all. Please leave the breeding to those who know what they are doing. A caring breeder never does anything large scale, is not for profit, and only ever lets her sows breed a few times in their life. They will know about genetics and of how to minimise the chances of the common complications that pigs suffer from in birthing their litters. Without these careful ones (and note not all hobby-breeders are good) the genetics of pigs are likely to go down-hill. Don't get me started on the other categories, they are often devastating for the health and wellbeing of the pigs involved - deaths, deformities, stress to name a few. It's not for me to tell you not to set yourself up as a hobby-breeder, but do please remember that there are plenty around already, and far too many pigs in rescues needing homes. Remember also that breeding is a minefield of health issues and genetic birth defects, you really do need to know what you are doing. Can you house them all? Afford all the vet fees? Rehome them? Think very very carefully, there are far more pitfalls than you may think and plenty of piggies around already.....
https://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/forums/pregnancy-baby-care-and-sexing-no-breeding.11/
 
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Continued....

Wrong diet:

Plenty of people assume guinea pig food equals shop-bought pellets/nuggets. This is just part of their diet. Piggies need hay and veggies, but need to research the correct veggies.
Avoid rodent treats. These are more suited to hamsters, rats, mice etc (and having kept all three even then these must only be occasional things). Treat sticks, rodent fruity drops, anything with a picture of various kinds of rodents on the packaging are unsuitable for guinea pigs. They are usually high in sugars and/or grains and are bad for the delicate digestive systems of piggies, and their health in general. Digestion problems can be serious in guinea pigs, please try to avoid upsetting their systems.
Hay is a must. An absolute must-have. Hay is needed for proper digestion and for wearing their teeth down, and forms a large part of a balanced diet for them. Veggies are highly important for the vitamin C content (guinea pigs cannot make their own, just the same as in humans and must consume vit-C in their diets). Apart from that think about all the other goodness in fresh veggies. Very important.
Recommendations For A Balanced General Guinea Pig Diet

Harnesses and wheels
Well-meaning owners may think they are delighting their piggies by putting them on a leash and letting them roam the garden, following their piggy and letting him/her explore. It does sound nice, doesn't it? I'm not labelling anyone bad for doing this, but those who do it are not aware that if their piggies become startled and suddenly run, they are likely to get a back injury. We on here and other forums have heard of MANY pigs suffering devastating injuries from leashes. If you have a leash for yours, please stop using it, you may regret it otherwise.
Guinea pigs backs are delicate. They are not as flexible as rats, mice, hamsters etc. Putting a pig in a hamster ball is very bad for guinea pigs, and very stressful for them too. Buying a wheel is not necessary. They are not likely to use one, but if they do use it, again they could end up with bad backs. Even large wheels for hedgehogs are not suitable for guinea pigs.

Forever home?
OK I am not going to guilt-trip anyone who has had a change of circumstance. It can be so easy to judge another. My own friend rehomed one of her piggies to me due to a change, and believe me, it was very genuine and there was no way around it, there really wasn't. Major change can happen to anyone, even when we think our lives are set-up, secure and stable.
A bit of forward thinking can go a long way though. Are these guinea pigs for your children? Children notoriously get fed up with the chores of pet husbandry. Are you happy, and I mean HAPPY to take on the care, AND give the pets the time and attention they need? The adults in the house must be enthusiastic about this prospect, else you end up with unhappy adults, unhappy pets or rehomed pets.
Guinea pigs generally live for 4 - 7 years. The record I think was in the region of 13-14. I could look it up.... Be prepared for a long-lived one! Are your circumstances likely to change during this time? Kids growing up, moving out, going to college, getting a job, wanting to go out, finding love perhaps? They may find looking after their pets getting in the way of studies/work/social lives.
Guinea pigs, kept propely, take up more time than you may think. A large cage can take time to clean. Guinea pigs are generally not toilet-trained, they generally will not make a toilet-area for themselves as a hamsters do. They are messy. They may have fall-outs. They are noisy. Some are shy for many months. They require consistent patience and may never turn into the cuddle lap-hugger that you may have envisaged. They have very different personalities, and although the right care makes them blossom, you cannot predict their little quirks and preferences. This is part of their charm for many of us. Is it for you? Guinea pigs can become disappointing pets when you expect a cuddly one and you get a skittish one instead, especially where children are involved.

Finance:
After the initial set-up, which can be pricey for large accommodation (there are ways to do things cheaply there if you are happy for your guinea pig to live in an indoor open-topped pen), there is still an ongoing cost. Food, veggies, littler/bedding.
The real shockers come from vet bills. Expect them please, and if your pigs never need to go to the vets then it's a good financial bonus! Some of us here have spent £1,000s in fees, and that is no word of a lie. My own vet fees for one piggy came to roughly £1,000. You are more likely to have to take your guinea pigs for vet treatment than you would be for rodents such as mice, rats, hamsters. Most of these never even need to see a vet. It takes a lot of people by surprise, and puts plenty of people in the position of having to choose between their bank balance and their animal's health, and no-one has the right to judge others in that position. However, if you know in advance that there is no way that you could afford a sudden vet bill of several hundred £s then it's best to have a good long think before you get your guinea pigs.


So having got this out of the way, mistakes that people commonly make can be avoided by REASEARCH, as already mentioned, and forward thinking, but no-one can know everything. Some of the deliberate neglect and cruelty that I have seen/read about on the internet, and heard about otherwise is shocking and sickening. There is a world of difference between a well-meaning person who is learning, and those who are deliberately cruel.
If anyone comes here having made a mistake and wants to learn to correct it or avoid it, then people will generally flock to help and support.
Obvious cruelty will not be tolerated, and the best advice we could give to anyone who doesn't care about their pets is to rehome them/give them up to a shelter.
I like to help people, but there's no helping some.
 
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Oh and another common one:
Guinea pigs with a rabbit. Some people will tell you that their guinea pig and bunny lived their lives happily together, and I'm not about to call them liars. Perhaps this was true for theirs, but the best companion for a guinea pig is another guinea pig.
Rabbits are strong, some can be aggressive towards their piggy-pal, and even the sweetest, gentlest of rabbits can accidently harm their piggy companions with a kick. A startled rabbit can leap from one end of the hutch to another, and if piggy happens to be in the way of the back legs it can suffer a nasty injury. We've heard of this many times, so it's not worth the risk. We have also heard of guinea pigs suffering ongoing bullying from rabbits.
There is also a disease that rabbits can harbour, without affecting them. It can be fatal for guinea pigs though. They should not share living space or run-time together.
Their diets are similar but not identical. Remember guinea pigs have delicate digestive systems and should be eating food suitable for guinea pigs, not other pets.
 
I do agree that petshop advice is not always true, I got a baby from there as the shop was closing down and he was the last one left and he was in a state so I bought him for £5. I was told that I can't get him out for 2 weeks because he will die of shock! And I was also told he must always live alone because if I pair him up he will be killed because they will not be from the same litter! It's a good job I've had piggies before and I'm not a new owner because this advice is so bad and so untrue, he now lives with another piggie but it makes me so sad to think of how many new owners were given this advice and didn't know any different and how many piggies would be sat alone for 2 weeks, surely it's best to handle them while their young and not leave them alone for 2 weeks! I told the guy who sold him to me that I've had males before and paired them and they weren't from the same litter and he said I was stupid to do that and could have ended in disaster. So I said no I've done it with all my pigs and he said well you shouldn't!
 
As a child, I had a lone piggie... it really wasn't common knowledge at the time that they should be in pairs. She wasn't 100% my guinea pig, she actually was a class pet and as the teacher was a family friend of ours, I took her home for holidays and the summers for several years. It makes me sad now to think that she lived her life alone and moved around from place to place a lot.

My personal 'bad owner' moment had to do with vet care. When one of my original pair of pigs developed a dental abscess and was having trouble eating, I phoned around to vets and found one that said they treated guinea pigs. It happened to be my cousin's vet that she used for her dog and she liked him, so I took her to him. Long story short, she had the abscess drained and had dental work done twice, never went back to eating on her own, did two weeks of syringe feeds and antibiotics, and then died of what appeared to be septic shock. When I got more knowledgeable, I found out that she was not on an appropriate antibiotic and it wasn't dosed correctly anyhow and that I doubt the vet had much experience with guinea pig teeth, even if he was willing to take my money and give it a go. I'm now a LOT pickier about vets and travel a lot further to see a vet with a lot more experience and consider it a lesson learned... but unfortunately not a lesson learned in time for Frenzy. :(
 
I think my own pet peeve is the idea that guinea pigs (or any small animal) are some sort of disposable pet, basically a living toy. This seems to be the predominant attitude towards guinea pigs where I live. They are seen as pets for kids, and if you're an adult who owns guinea pigs, people look at you kind of weird! I have friends who are surprised that my pigs have a vet, and the predominant attitude I've run into in terms of Sundae, who has had several health issues and pretty regular vet visits her whole life, is, "Why would you pay all that for a guinea pig? You can get another guinea pig for twenty-five dollars." Pets are living things... they are not disposable, and if you don't want to care for them, don't get them! The idea that a dog deserves a vet, but a guinea pig should just languish and die of treatable illnesses because they are cheap to acquire makes me mad, and it's an attitude I hear a lot where I live.
 
I think my own pet peeve is the idea that guinea pigs (or any small animal) are some sort of disposable pet, basically a living toy. This seems to be the predominant attitude towards guinea pigs where I live. They are seen as pets for kids, and if you're an adult who owns guinea pigs, people look at you kind of weird! I have friends who are surprised that my pigs have a vet, and the predominant attitude I've run into in terms of Sundae, who has had several health issues and pretty regular vet visits her whole life, is, "Why would you pay all that for a guinea pig? You can get another guinea pig for twenty-five dollars." Pets are living things... they are not disposable, and if you don't want to care for them, don't get them! The idea that a dog deserves a vet, but a guinea pig should just languish and die of treatable illnesses because they are cheap to acquire makes me mad, and it's an attitude I hear a lot where I live.
I 100% agree with you, people don't realise how long they live and the care that they need, some people think they can leave them in a hutch outside and clean it out once a week and change its water and feed it when bottle and bowl are empty. I would never but a pet FOR a child because any pet takes time and effort, if I was to have kids and they wanted a pet I would make sure I was ready to have one because you also need to teach kids that they need to care for animals until they pass away not until they can't be bothered any more. But I think in this day and age anything is replaceable and disposable not just pets, I saw a little boy in my work the other day he was around 8 years old and he said to his mum "I'm going to smash this iPhone up because it's too old now I want the iPhone 6+" and his mum said "oh don't smash it just use it until Christmas and then Santa will bring you the 6+!" I was just shocked this is unfortunately the world we live in where kids are brought up to have whatever they want and it's sad to think how the world will be in years time. I really do feel sorry for all animals who fall into the hands of people like this.
 
Critter has written an amazing post and I agree wholeheartedly with it all.

The thing that upsets me the most is bad advice from supposed guinea pig 'experts'. Pet shops being one and guinea pig clubs being another. I was heartbroken and horrified to find dreadful advice regarding cage size on a guinea pig club's website, this is copied and pasted from their 'housing' page: "An indoor hutch 24” (60cm) x 18” (45cm) will accommodate a single cavy and, as a minimum requirement, could also house a breeding pair or a sow and litter". That's hardly enough room to turn around! And this is advice from a supposed leading authority in guinea pig matters? Disgusting. How can people research information when there is so much bad advice floating about? The thing is, if you're going to keep your guinea pigs in a miniscule hutch, what's the point? They won't be happy and you won't get to enjoy them in the same way if they're sad. So why bother at all? Sorry, I feel like I've been ranting!

It is why I love this forum, it is an invaluable resource to me and helps me be the best owner I can be to my guinea pigs.
 
I 100% agree with you, people don't realise how long they live and the care that they need, some people think they can leave them in a hutch outside and clean it out once a week and change its water and feed it when bottle and bowl are empty. I would never but a pet FOR a child because any pet takes time and effort, if I was to have kids and they wanted a pet I would make sure I was ready to have one because you also need to teach kids that they need to care for animals until they pass away not until they can't be bothered any more. But I think in this day and age anything is replaceable and disposable not just pets, I saw a little boy in my work the other day he was around 8 years old and he said to his mum "I'm going to smash this iPhone up because it's too old now I want the iPhone 6+" and his mum said "oh don't smash it just use it until Christmas and then Santa will bring you the 6+!" I was just shocked this is unfortunately the world we live in where kids are brought up to have whatever they want and it's sad to think how the world will be in years time. I really do feel sorry for all animals who fall into the hands of people like this.
Yeah, I hear you. Animals should never be left completely to the whims of kids. I have kids, but the pigs are family pets, and I knew (and expected) going in that the bulk of the work was going to be mine. I've said no to plenty of other pets that were either not going to work with our lifestyle or that I was not willing to take on the responsibility for. Unfortunately a lot of people buy first and then think later, which is definitely to the detriment of the animals!
 
Critter has written an amazing post and I agree wholeheartedly with it all.

The thing that upsets me the most is bad advice from supposed guinea pig 'experts'. Pet shops being one and guinea pig clubs being another. I was heartbroken and horrified to find dreadful advice regarding cage size on a guinea pig club's website, this is copied and pasted from their 'housing' page: "An indoor hutch 24” (60cm) x 18” (45cm) will accommodate a single cavy and, as a minimum requirement, could also house a breeding pair or a sow and litter". That's hardly enough room to turn around! And this is advice from a supposed leading authority in guinea pig matters? Disgusting. How can people research information when there is so much bad advice floating about? The thing is, if you're going to keep your guinea pigs in a miniscule hutch, what's the point? They won't be happy and you won't get to enjoy them in the same way if they're sad. So why bother at all? Sorry, I feel like I've been ranting!

It is why I love this forum, it is an invaluable resource to me and helps me be the best owner I can be to my guinea pigs.

I think that's frustrating too! A lot of people do research, but are finding research that is out of date or just plain incorrect. I've got a couple of guinea pig books that I bought because the kids liked the pictures, but some of the advice in there is horrible and way out of date (males cannot be housed together, you cannot properly sex a guinea pig until 6 weeks of age, etc.) I also think that people tend to think that pet stores know their stuff and that these are 'experts.' And pet stores set up a lot of people for failure- for instance, I recently saw a male and several females housed together at the pet store. A lot of people are going to take home pregnant guinea pigs and be unprepared (I would be unprepared even though I've owned guinea pigs for seven years, but have never dealt with pregnancy/babies before!) It's not in the interest of the animals to set people up for problems, but stores probably realize that they would sell fewer animals if they were truthful about the cage size, vet care, etc. that is in the animal's best interest.
 
when i was really little (six) i had no friends.....so on my christmas list i wrote "i don't mind i have been really bad this year but something that will keep me company.....like a kitten" well I didn't get the kitten but i did get two beautiful baby guinea pigs. but i never cared for them myself and they never got out of cage time except to sit on my lap on a towel. *CRINGE*

::rant: DO NOT BUY ANIMALS FOR YOUNG CHILDREN. i mean i hope it's okay to put my age but i am 14 now and it makes me physically grimace to think of what sort of awful life those poor little things had. I MISS YOU BEN AND CHARLIE AND I AM SORRY! (they were only about 5 when they died). :blink:
Now, when i know far far better, my animals have more belongings and more space than I do in my bedroom but i don't mind. I mean, i wanted them, right ? so i must care for them correctly - but five, six, seven year olds can't do that.
again please please NEVER buy animals for young children unless you accept that will have to care for them when that child loses interest! I was a total lazy b:rant::cen:ch when i was a kid lol....
 
it was a relief to read all this to realise my own knowledge was up to date and correct! I often see in pet shops in my area keeping up to 18/19 guinea pigs in a pet shop cage! I know they're likely to be adopted soon but to me that's no excuse!
 
I hope I didn't involuntarily offend someone by making this thread! It's mainly to realize your mistakes and the ones you see and know never to do that again. We all started from somewhere in ownership. I'm also using this for my own personal reference.

My first pigs were from a petstore and in a petstore cage. I also only housed one when I should've and could've housed two (I realize due to some limitations with the pigs themselves people can only house one. My current pig hasn't gotten along with any of the sows I put her on dates with.) I'm glad through research and advice I was able to fix my mistakes and now I'm a proud supporter of adoption, well-sized cages, buddy guinea pigs, etc.
 
I couldn't agree more with not listening to pet shop advice, I don't mean completely ignore what they've said to you but ask questions, literally test them on what they're telling you.
When I was about 11 my dad got me and my brother a Guinea pig each for our birthdays (these piggies started my love for them, they certainly weren't pets that are bought as presents and then forgotten about) we bought a 6 month old and a 6 week old. The pet shop told us not to feed the 6 week old veggies because she was too young for it and her digestive system wouldn't cope until she was a few weeks older. We stupidly believed them and her digestive system completely failed after a few weeks of having her and the vet advised us to put her down. The vet never told us that the thing that killed her was the lack of veggies but as I got more experience in owning piggies and learned that they need them for vit c I realised that must of been it. I still feel awful about it
 
I had lone pigs in small cages then two girls in eighty cage, upgraded to 100 til i came on here and then they got the care they deserve.Proper diet and large cage and company
 
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