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Ongoing sick piggie

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Hi all,

So I have a pig that is about 2 and a half years old. He started getting sick back early June, and since then I have seen three different vets. They all prescribed antibiotics, but he never gets better.

Back in December, my younger guinea pig arrived to me sick with pneumonia (Rambo was bought at a pet store and was still very little). My older one caught it too, but I caught it so early that no real symptoms manifested. They both recovered well, or so it seemed.

Since my older one (Magnus) got sick, I thought for sure my younger one was going to get ill again too, but strangely he hasn't gotten ill at all. They have been in the same cage all this time, and Rambo is unaffected.

Since June, Magnus has been prescribed two-three different antibiotics. He seems to go back and forth between recovering and not, but no matter the stage he always has a stuffy/crusty nose (it varies in severity, seemingly depending on humidity, antibiotic, etc).

He has developed other symptoms as well. He seemed to have an inner ear problem (tilted head, lack of balance). It concerns me because I read it is indication of ear infection. Those symptoms have now gotten better, but he will not let me touch his left ear or even put a q-tip to clean it. The head tilt is just very slight.

When telling my current vet this, they seem to not know what is wrong. They suggest he has allergies and to maybe prescribe steroids to treat inflammation. It seems to me that he might of had a relapse of the pneumonia, and because the infection is so resistant and has become to ongoing, has affected his ear as well. It has been about two-three weeks since he hasnt been on any antibiotics, and still has a crusty nose and loud breathing (all seems to be coming from his nasal area, but his breathing is so loud at times I can't tell if there is fluid in the lungs as well). :(

I told my vet I would like to do a more thorough examination where they xray him and put him under light anesthesia to check his ear better (as he squirms too much for anyone to see whats going on)

Does anyone have any kind of advice or help to give me? I am just very concerned as I do not want to lose him. My first piggy ended up dying from pneumonia, but it was different as she breathed different and again resulted in vets not knowing the problem (her problem was inconsistant, being on and off). Again, his current symptoms all are prominent in the nasal area, and his nose has been running so bad that he has been wiping his nose constantly, making it sore :( The mucus is just crusty, hard as cement. He does eat and drink as he should (good appetite) and will run around with Rambo when taken out. I am just perplexed on what to do to fix this...
 
I'm not going to be able to be a great deal of help, but I was just wondering what doses of antibiotics he has been on? The fact that it is coming and going (and seemingly getting a little bit better on the meds?) suggests that whatever it is hasn't been eradicated, just knocked back temporarily. He may need a longer course and more of it per day to get rid of whatever is bothering him. With the ear you are probably also going to need eardrops to sort that one out; though a decent vet would be able to tell you what it is you need to do. The head tilt is definitely indicative of an ear infection though.

What area are you in? Someone on the forum might be able to suggest a good guinea pig vet for you to try out to see if they can shed light on what is wrong with your little man.
 
It does sound like you may have a bug resistant to a lot of antibiotics (it may even be a virus)

Just as with humans, use of antibiotics in the veterinary world is producing more antibiotic resistant "superbugs" - particularly staphylococcus and streptococcus which are two of the more common causes of respiratory problems in piggies.

I suggest your best way forwards is to get your vet to take swabs of the ear and throat/nasal discharge and get them cultured for bacterial identification and antibiotic sensitivity testing. So the idea of a GA for Xray and ear examination is a good one (your vet should also look for ear mites as these can be the cause of head tilt) but I suggest swabs are also taken for culture.

Hopefully your vet will then be able to identify the cause and give the appropriate treatment.

HTH
x
 
HI Keely sorry to hear about Magnus' illnesses :(
Just another thought also.... what bedding are you using ?
I think Pebble's idea of doing the cultures is the next step.
Whee send healing wheeeeeks and loves for Magnus and Rambo too XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
 
I'm not going to be able to be a great deal of help, but I was just wondering what doses of antibiotics he has been on? The fact that it is coming and going (and seemingly getting a little bit better on the meds?) suggests that whatever it is hasn't been eradicated, just knocked back temporarily. He may need a longer course and more of it per day to get rid of whatever is bothering him. With the ear you are probably also going to need eardrops to sort that one out; though a decent vet would be able to tell you what it is you need to do. The head tilt is definitely indicative of an ear infection though.

What area are you in? Someone on the forum might be able to suggest a good guinea pig vet for you to try out to see if they can shed light on what is wrong with your little man.

Thanks ghostbusterbunny,

Yeah that is exactly what I am thinking--its the same sickness it just resistant.

Yeah the first time he took about 0.5mL. It was baytril and they flavored it.. it looked brownish. I honestly think it was even 0.5mL becuase it was watered down with some flavoring. The second time this other vet gave him something abbreviated as ""SMZ-TMP" (flavored as well, liquid looked pink). They only wanted me to give him about 0.6mL.

This current vet gave him a hybrid "compound" of Baytril + Doxycycline. They directed me to give him about 0.2mL of this liquid as well.

I'm actually out in the *.S. in Pennsylvania. I think the problem is that it is hard to find truly good vets specialized in exotics unless your near a larger city. The one I go to now sees every kind of animal practically, but I don't know how often people take in guinea pigs or have them out here. I think most people have cats, dogs, or livestock.
 
It does sound like you may have a bug resistant to a lot of antibiotics (it may even be a virus)

Just as with humans, use of antibiotics in the veterinary world is producing more antibiotic resistant "superbugs" - particularly staphylococcus and streptococcus which are two of the more common causes of respiratory problems in piggies.

I suggest your best way forwards is to get your vet to take swabs of the ear and throat/nasal discharge and get them cultured for bacterial identification and antibiotic sensitivity testing. So the idea of a GA for Xray and ear examination is a good one (your vet should also look for ear mites as these can be the cause of head tilt) but I suggest swabs are also taken for culture.

Hopefully your vet will then be able to identify the cause and give the appropriate treatment.

HTH
x

Thanks Pebbles,

I totally agree. I think the second vet I went to did something like that, but it was quick one to check for increased white blood cell count (which he did have). I mean that is good to know, but the thing is if he had discharge coming from his nose, sneezing, etc. the question wouldn't be if he's sick, it would be what is the source/cause.. You would think they would of done something like that in the first place. Maybe they assumed they knew what it was and thought it wasn't necessary, but still..

I know when I talked to the vet about doing the thorough examination, they said that they could go through the process and still be back at square one..
If nobody could see any cause of sickness after a thorough examination, are they even capable of truly fixing the problem?

Speaking of ear mites, I have been noticing along with a slight head tilt that he will sometimes shake his head and/or try to itch his ear. Are these symptoms possibly resulting from the ear infection. If it was ear mites though, I don't know how he would of gotten that! Wouldn't my other pig Rambo get them too though if it was? Do mites cause respiratory symptoms too?
 
HI Keely sorry to hear about Magnus' illnesses :(
Just another thought also.... what bedding are you using ?
I think Pebble's idea of doing the cultures is the next step.
Whee send healing wheeeeeks and loves for Magnus and Rambo too XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

:) Magnus and Rambo say thanks for all the kind wishes!

The bedding I use is called "soft granule bedding" by Kaytee. It looks like a bunch of little balls. I used to use carefresh a long time ago, but it seemed to have a lot of dust so I switched to this other brand.
 
Hi everyone,

So I am going to take Magnus to the vet today again. His breathing has gotten worse it seems. At times he will be breathing, but then I'll see his lungs move without his breathing happening. He then finally breaths through it and it is really loud, almost gasping. I noticed it starting to happen last night and I couldn't sleep well hearing and knowing that he's breathing is so terrible.

Hopefully I can get some solutions finally. I will take all of your suggestions and hopefully get to the bottom of this. I don't think he can go around with this sickness any longer.
 
I'm really sorry to hear about Magnus being so poorly.

I can't really advise anything apart from looking on the Guinea Lynx website, if you haven't already. It's a US-based site so someone there may be able to recommend a good Vet.

Really hope you can find a way to turn things around for the little man x
 
So Magnus finally went and got a detailed exam. From the radiograph, it turns out the reason for his UTI like symptoms is a result of an abscess sitting under one of his molars. It sits on the far back upper molar. The congestion-like sounds he has is a result of the inflammation pushing up into his nasal cavity. The abscess infection is what has been causing his overall sickness (UTI-like symptoms, ear infection, etc). The vet gave me a couple different choices I can do to pursue. I could either maintain with antibiotics, dig around the tooth for the abscess to drain it, or have the tooth/abscess removed entirely.

Personally, I don't think draining or maintaining are real solutions to his problem as I have read the only way to truly cure abscesses like that in guinea pigs is to remove it. The vet said that they do not have the tools to do surgery like that on small animals, so I need to find an exotics veterinary surgeon.
Now he has also stopped eating it seems. The only thing I can think of is his mouth must of gotten sore from the examination. I am going to have to force feed him now.. *sigh*

Does anyone have experience with dental abscesses like that? Do you all agree that the only way to cure dental abscesses is to surgically remove the tooth and abscess?
 
Hi

Cant see the link between a UTI and a tooth abscess? Do you mean a URI?

Furryfriends is the dental expert on here, she should be able to help you with your questions :)

Good luck hope it all sorts itself out x>>
 
Hi

Cant see the link between a UTI and a tooth abscess? Do you mean a URI?

Furryfriends is the dental expert on here, she should be able to help you with your questions :)

Good luck hope it all sorts itself out x>>

Oh wow, lol. Yeah I did not mean to put UTI, I got carried away typing and did not even notice. Yes it is suppose to say URI.

Thanks for the good wishes first_time_piggie_mum
 
Hi! Whereabout do you live? Zithromax is a fantastic antibiotic for dealing with abscesses and could possibly work for your piggie.

I've had a few dental piggies with tooth root abscesses and Zithromax has always sorted them.

If your piggie isn't eating at all, you need to get about 120 mls of syringe food into him over a 24 hour period.
 
Hi! Whereabout do you live? Zithromax is a fantastic antibiotic for dealing with abscesses and could possibly work for your piggie.

I've had a few dental piggies with tooth root abscesses and Zithromax has always sorted them.

If your piggie isn't eating at all, you need to get about 120 mls of syringe food into him over a 24 hour period.

I from the *.S. actually. I don't know how many of us show up here, but this site is extremely helpful, so I had to join!

Hum, I haven't heard of that one, but perhaps Ill talk about it with my vet. Magnus was prescribed an antibiotic called Chloramphenicol, and it just arrived today. I am going to start giving it to him tonight in place of his old antibiotic. Since he has been on a couple different antibiotics, they have given me this to help control/attack the abscess. They were reluctant to give it to me as it can be harmful to humans, but he doesn't have a lot of choices left for this abscess.

That is useful information on the food intake. He seems to eat and sometimes not want certain things. He just seems very picky about texture, etc. He seems to eat hay (the finer bits of it) but I will give him 1-1.5 mL every hour or so, just to be on the safe side.
 
I guess another thing I have been thinking about is his good bacteria count. This vet hasn't prescribed any probiotics to go along with his treatment. My old vet did that when Magnus and my younger one had pneumonia.

I want to be sure, but I have read that if your sick guinea pig is housed with a healthy guinea pig, they will eat the feces of the healthy guinea pig by instinct? I don't know if that is true, but if thats the case, perhaps that is why the vets are not concerned?
 
I want to be sure, but I have read that if your sick guinea pig is housed with a healthy guinea pig, they will eat the feces of the healthy guinea pig by instinct? I don't know if that is true, but if thats the case, perhaps that is why the vets are not concerned?

I'm not familiar with Chloramphenicol myself but I'd be inclined to give piggy some probiotic whilst taking these antibiotics. It's true that sick piggies may eat the poops from a healthy pig but I'm not sure that this always happens. If you do have another piggy who is in good health then you could prepare some 'poop soup' to feed by syringe, just to be sure:

http://www.guinealynx.info/probiotics.html

Fingers crossed for little Magnus x
 
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