Palliative piggy

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Hi all, my 5 year old pig, Kevin has been ‘palliative’ for a couple of months now. When I last took him to the vets they stated he was too weak to be put under for his suspected oral tumour to be addressed. It is progressing now, he’s drooling a lot more and his extremities are cold. I truly do not get the impression he is in pain, he’s on pain relief and remains relaxed and in the mood to eat. However, the time is getting closer.

My question is, is it cruel to want him to die at home? He is a very nervy boy and is always so panicked at the vet. The last thing I want to be is selfish, but I truly feel like I’m thinking in his best interests. Obviously if his pain relief isn’t cutting it anymore, or if anything drastically changes, I will take him to be vets immediately.

I just want him to feel comfortable and at peace.
 
Hi there, I am really sorry to hear this. You sound like a very caring owner to Kevin and it is good he is on pain relief and comfortable. Others will be along with more advice but I wondered if this link is helpful at all if you haven't already seen it: A Practical and Sensitive Guide to Dying, Terminal Illness and Euthanasia in Guinea Pigs

Take care
Thank you, I have had a look at it previously, but it was good to remind myself. I think we’re definitely reaching the turning point, I just hope it’s not too long for him.
 
I’m so sorry. It’s perfectly fine to keep him at home in his usual surroundings. Hopefully it will make his trip over the bridge easier.

But like you said if he needs help crossing over you’d take him to the vet.
 
Hi I am so sorry your boy Kevin is on palliative care.
Firstly it is clear how loved he is and that you will do whatever is in his best interests, so it's not selfish just what you would prefer for yourself and your boy 💐
Secondly have you had a conversation with your vet about them coming to your home if the time comes? I know some vets will come out 🌈
 
Hi

I am very sorry that you are finding yourself in that situation. It is usually the most difficult when you as a loving owner come close to the time and want to get it right but are very torn between various competing factors and emotions in play.

Personally, I am always happier and relieved if my especially my older piggies can make the journey to the Bridge from their usual surroundings at home but it depends on whether they are in distress or pain at some stage except for the very last half an hour or so when oxygen deprivation can hit but a piggy is pretty much no longer conscious and with it, whether a slow dying process hits a bump but with no recovery possible by that stage or whether they are likely to pass away on the way to the vets or in the waiting room and it is too late to take them etc.
These are what I call 'circumstances', which are not necessarily in your control and which you have to judge as you go along. A slow natural death is an individual process, depending on the illness, the order in which the organs break down and how healthy they are; each passing is unique and its own dynamics. Monitoring a natural death can come with quite a lot stress, heartache and self-examination along the way; especially if you suffer from anxiety because it is a physical process, some of which can be distressing that you cannot hurry on and there is comparatively little you can do. It can take days and it is not necessarily a gentle fading away.

I still prefer this way, which about just over half of my piggies have been able to take over the years but be prepared to change your mind if needed. It is less stressful for the piggies but it can come with its own challenges for you.

PS: I am moving this thread to our End of Life and Bereavement Section for ongoing support. Please bookmark the thread so you can always pick it up easily but we can let it run for as long as you need and be there for your own needs as much as for practical questions for Kevin and his mate.

If you struggle, you may find this link here helpful so you know better where your own feelings and priority lie and can manoeuvre the whole process with a clearer mind (but not a less aching heart): Operation, Terminal Care or Euthanasia? - Helpful Questions to Ask Ahead or in Hindsight


With Kevin's extremities being rather cold, it is likely that his body has already started to close down and that the blood circulation is no longer working optimally. Please keep him warm but not hot and always give him an option to move away from a source of heat if he becomes too warm.
A Practical and Sensitive Guide to Dying, Terminal Illness and Euthanasia in Guinea Pigs
 
Hi

I am very sorry that you are finding yourself in that situation. It is usually the most difficult when you as a loving owner come close to the time and want to get it right but are very torn between various competing factors and emotions in play.

Personally, I am always happier and relieved if my especially my older piggies can make the journey to the Bridge from their usual surroundings at home but it depends on whether they are in distress or pain at some stage except for the very last half an hour or so when oxygen deprivation can hit but a piggy is pretty much no longer conscious and with it, whether a slow dying process hits a bump but with no recovery possible by that stage or whether they are likely to pass away on the way to the vets or in the waiting room and it is too late to take them etc.
These are what I call 'circumstances', which are not necessarily in your control and which you have to judge as you go along. A slow natural death is an individual process, depending on the illness, the order in which the organs break down and how healthy they are; each passing is unique and its own dynamics. Monitoring a natural death can come with quite a lot stress, heartache and self-examination along the way; especially if you suffer from anxiety because it is a physical process, some of which can be distressing that you cannot hurry on and there is comparatively little you can do. It can take days and it is not necessarily a gentle fading away.

I still prefer this way, which about just over half of my piggies have been able to take over the years but be prepared to change your mind if needed. It is less stressful for the piggies but it can come with its own challenges for you.

PS: I am moving this thread to our End of Life and Bereavement Section for ongoing support. Please bookmark the thread so you can always pick it up easily but we can let it run for as long as you need and be there for your own needs as much as for practical questions for Kevin and his mate.

If you struggle, you may find this link here helpful so you know better where your own feelings and priority lie and can manoeuvre the whole process with a clearer mind (but not a less aching heart): Operation, Terminal Care or Euthanasia? - Helpful Questions to Ask Ahead or in Hindsight


With Kevin's extremities being rather cold, it is likely that his body has already started to close down and that the blood circulation is no longer working optimally. Please keep him warm but not hot and always give him an option to move away from a source of heat if he becomes too warm.
A Practical and Sensitive Guide to Dying, Terminal Illness and Euthanasia in Guinea Pigs
Thank you for your detailed response. I am not well versed in the art of caring for pigs, I had some when I was a child and the ones I have currently are the ones my sister has ‘grown out of’! They are very well loved and I have tried my hardest to ensure they have always been happy and healthy. But my point is, I am limited in my experience of knowing when to call it. One thing that’s for sure is he won’t be by himself whatever happens!
 
Thank you for your detailed response. I am not well versed in the art of caring for pigs, I had some when I was a child and the ones I have currently are the ones my sister has ‘grown out of’! They are very well loved and I have tried my hardest to ensure they have always been happy and healthy. But my point is, I am limited in my experience of knowing when to call it. One thing that’s for sure is he won’t be by himself whatever happens!

Your heart is very much in the right place and - I know that it sounds trite but it is true - you'll know when something serious is going wrong and he loses the will to live. Losing the appetite and being apathetic and no longer interested in any food is usually the most common sign.

If there is a mouth issue, then increased drooling (i. e. unable to swallow properly) and overgrowing front teeth in combination with increasingly rapid weight loss can point to a decrease in eating hay, which makes around 80% of the daily food intake.

If you are worried about discomfort:
Signs of Pain in Guinea Pigs
Early Signs Of Illness
Is My Guinea Pig Dying?

Weight and Weight Loss Explained: BMI, Weighing, Poos and Feeding Support Levels

I know that it quite a bit of information to go through but it can hopefully help you.
 
Your heart is very much in the right place and - I know that it sounds trite but it is true - you'll know when something serious is going wrong and he loses the will to live. Losing the appetite and being apathetic and no longer interested in any food is usually the most common sign.

If there is a mouth issue, then increased drooling (i. e. unable to swallow properly) and overgrowing front teeth in combination with increasingly rapid weight loss can point to a decrease in eating hay, which makes around 80% of the daily food intake.

If you are worried about discomfort:
Signs of Pain in Guinea Pigs
Early Signs Of Illness
Is My Guinea Pig Dying?

Weight and Weight Loss Explained: BMI, Weighing, Poos and Feeding Support Levels

I know that it quite a bit of information to go through but it can hopefully help you.
I do think his front teeth are now getting slightly overgrown. He still has a good appetite and is wanting to eat, but with his increased drooling, clear oral growth, I can see a dullness in his eyes now. I’ll keep him in with his brother and monitor to see if there’s anything more I can do to make him more comfortable
 
I do think his front teeth are now getting slightly overgrown. He still has a good appetite and is wanting to eat, but with his increased drooling, clear oral growth, I can see a dullness in his eyes now. I’ll keep him in with his brother and monitor to see if there’s anything more I can do to make him more comfortable

If you have a microwaveable snugglesafe pad or two (one for his brother), please jusr warm them for 2-3 minutes but change regularly. Warmth for an ill piggy is the biggest gift you can make them.

If you want to step in with syringe feeding, then that is a bit of a double-edged sword as you can prolong his dying process.
 
I'm so sorry you're in this position. Out of all my piggies only 2 have been euthanised, a couple have passed during or in recovery of procedures but a good 40+ have passed at home, and the majority of those, in my arms or by my side with their friends.

It does sound like the process of preparing to pass away has begun, his heart is not working as well as it had done if his extremities are getting cold, you will likely notice a blue or purple hue on the feet, lips and ears over the next few days if so. Luckily for him if its his heart going first, a natural passing is likely to be very quick.

The active stage of death is the most involved and the most difficult to watch and can last from moments to hours, with gasping and racing legs. At this point they are essentially already gone, it is the last twitches of electrical activity, agonal breathing (the gasping) is a last ditch effort to get oxygen to the brain, and the running is muscle spasms. They have absolutely no idea what is happening at this point, in my experience this lasts no more than 20 minutes at the most in my personal piggies. However much longer than 30 minutes is where I draw the line and would take them for euthanasia as they won't realise they're no longer at home, but obviously need a little help crossing.

The vast majority of natural deaths I've witnessed have been a quick, peaceful, and solemn experience with the piggies saying their goodbyes before the piggy moves away to lay down and begin the process.

If he is still wanting to eat and able to process it, syringe feeding will keep him comfortable and hydrated, I cant think of a good way to word it but essentially the longer the physical body keeps going, the weaker it becomes when it's time, leading to a much quicker crossing over when passing naturally. And syringe feeds will certainly be easier for him to eat nearer the end. A hydrolysed food like emeraid IC herbivore is easier to digest and extract nutrition from if you're able to get it, but whatever they enjoy eating will help.
 
Thank you for this guidance, will keep it in mind for the time I have to say goodbye to one of my pets ❤️🙏
 
I'm so sorry you're in this position. Out of all my piggies only 2 have been euthanised, a couple have passed during or in recovery of procedures but a good 40+ have passed at home, and the majority of those, in my arms or by my side with their friends.

It does sound like the process of preparing to pass away has begun, his heart is not working as well as it had done if his extremities are getting cold, you will likely notice a blue or purple hue on the feet, lips and ears over the next few days if so. Luckily for him if its his heart going first, a natural passing is likely to be very quick.

The active stage of death is the most involved and the most difficult to watch and can last from moments to hours, with gasping and racing legs. At this point they are essentially already gone, it is the last twitches of electrical activity, agonal breathing (the gasping) is a last ditch effort to get oxygen to the brain, and the running is muscle spasms. They have absolutely no idea what is happening at this point, in my experience this lasts no more than 20 minutes at the most in my personal piggies. However much longer than 30 minutes is where I draw the line and would take them for euthanasia as they won't realise they're no longer at home, but obviously need a little help crossing.

The vast majority of natural deaths I've witnessed have been a quick, peaceful, and solemn experience with the piggies saying their goodbyes before the piggy moves away to lay down and begin the process.

If he is still wanting to eat and able to process it, syringe feeding will keep him comfortable and hydrated, I cant think of a good way to word it but essentially the longer the physical body keeps going, the weaker it becomes when it's time, leading to a much quicker crossing over when passing naturally. And syringe feeds will certainly be easier for him to eat nearer the end. A hydrolysed food like emeraid IC herbivore is easier to digest and extract nutrition from if you're able to get it, but whatever they enjoy eating will help.
This was really interesting to read, and somewhat reassuring, thank you. All that’s left for me to do this point is to keep enjoying the cuddles whilst he’s still with, he’s currently snoozing on my lap as I write this! It seems every day something new slightly develops, I’ve noticed his exhaling was sounding a bit whistly this evening. I reckon we’re heading into the final week or so.
 
Bitter sweet moments in a way
We're sending you lots of loving wheeks from Staffordshire 💙
 
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