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I have these 2 two 4month of guinea pig (related, not siblings, and in different cages) They both use to be completely fine, popcorn and everything.

One suddenly got the mystery paralyze! She drags herself to walk and lays on her side. But the thing is when I pick her she starts screaming, same thing when she try to sit like her roommate. When I took a closer look at her walking, it looks like one front arm is shorter?

The other piggy, wobbles when walking, looks hunch, poof hair, and tends to flip/falls over with his legs in the air, along with one hip higher then the other.

Other then that both seem completely fine, they eat, drink, and poop!

Mystery paralyze for one and vitamin c issues for the other?

Should I be worried, I don’t want to Panic? I have heard that some vet recommends putting them down.
 

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Please have your piggy seen by a vet ASAP. This is an urgent situation.

Please switch from the routine weekly weight checks to weighing daily. You cannot gauge hay intake by eye so weighing them is the only way to know they are really eating enough hay, as hay is their main food source. If there is any weight loss you will need to step in and syringe feed

A vet will only suggest putting an animal to sleep if there is nothing that can be done to help.

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This does need an emergency vet appointment, I doubt any vet would suggest euthanasia for such young animals without a thorough investigation of what their health issues are. Certainly a hands on examination by an experienced vet is needed, vit C deficiency is rare as a small amount of carefully selected daily veg like a slice of bell pepper and a few sprigs of coriander/cilantro- or a bit of fresh clean grass- easily meet a piggy's vit C needs.
Please see a vet straight away, and check out our feeding guides to ensure you are meeting their dietary needs with large amounts of good quality hay and a good range of veggies.
 

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Please have your piggy seen by a vet ASAP. This is an urgent situation.

Please switch from the routine weekly weight checks to weighing daily. You cannot gauge hay intake by eye so weighing them is the only way to know they are really eating enough hay, as hay is their main food source. If there is any weight loss you will need to step in and syringe feed

A vet will only suggest putting an animal to sleep if there is nothing that can be done to help.

Emergency, Crisis and Bridging Care until a Vet Appointment
Not Eating, Weight Loss And The Importance Of Syringe Feeding Fibre
Complete Syringe Feeding Guide
Yes. I have been weighing them daily and their weights have only gone down or up a few oz.
 

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That’s good if the weights are stable. She does still urgently need to see a vet though to find out what is causing the paralysis
 

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Both need to see a vet to find out what's going on. Hunching and puffed up are signs of pain
 

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:agr: I do have a quick question though. You say he and she, are they together in one cage?
 

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Have you had them seen yet? It’s really important and urgent.
 

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Have you had them seen yet? It’s really important and urgent.
Yes I have seen a vet. I was told nothing is wrong with them, X-ray, C-scan, and the inside of their mouth were checked. (Over $300 on both)

I read a case that someone gave their mystery paralyzed guinea liquid vitamin c, which I have started 1ml, it seem to be working as she stop screaming when I pick her up and even though her back leg still isn’t moving she can run on her front paws like nothing now.

As for the other one, he eat, drink, and poop fine. He is still hunch over with poof hair and wobble when walking but no longer tends to flip/falls over with his legs in the air, and one hip higher then the other looks alittle even now. BUT! he now start drooling it doesn’t stink and eyes looks sullen(I think?)....could it be that he a messy drinker? The vet said his back & front teeth looked fine.
 

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I think drooling can be a sign of teeth trouble. I don’t know that vitamin c is enough to resolve whatever issue they have.

Are the vets general or experienced with treating guinea pigs?
 

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I think drooling can be a sign of teeth trouble. I don’t know that vitamin c is enough to resolve whatever issue they have.

Are the vets general or experienced with treating guinea pigs?
The vitamin c was for the paralyzed piggy after 3 days of 1ml, she got much better from when I wrote this post. Only that her back legs don’t move.(doing leg & spine home therapy on her). She is 5 month and 6 day old. (Normal weight & size)

For the other one, I gave it to him 2 times (both times his chin was dry) but for the past two days it was wet and non-smelly & had sullen eyes. His been eating pellets and hay with no issues.

I went to two different vets Saturday evening, one not for guinea pigs and one that had experience with them. Both vets said the same thing and took all kinds of test. I told them about the liquid vitamin c & they said it was Worth a try & to remove the normal veggies.

The day I took them to the vet the drooling one had a slightly crooked bottom tooth which I had trimmed down, the vet took some scans, checked inside the mouth & said that the back & front teeth where fine & that I trimmed the bottom teeth nicely down & to do it again in a few days if it is seem crooked. This is 5 month old and 2 day old boy piggy. He is very small. You would think he was 1 month old since he still fits in the hand.

Could that be the drooling issues? Or just a messy drinker? Or is there some other issues besides teeth that could involve drooling?


Both are related. The father of the girl paralyzed piggy is the grandfather of the boy drooling piggy. Could it be a DNA issues?
 

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Vitamin c deficiency in guinea pigs is rare. They get plenty of vitamin c from their hay, veg and their limited amount of pellets. This is why guinea pigs don’t need supplemental vitamin c.

If she is still not able to walk properly then there is something wrong, vitamin c isn’t going to cure.
Removing veggies and giving vitamin c instead, doesn’t sound like good advice to me.

A vet who does anything to their teeth without experience can make things worse. If they said the teeth were fine, then why did they trim them down?
Yes there are other issues which can cause drooling or inability to swallow such as oral thrush. Drooling can also be because of a blockage in their system.
If he is small for his age and has the other health issues you mention, then i wonder if there is something else going on.

Do you weigh them weekly as part of routine care, are they putting on weight well?

I really think both of these piggies need to go to an experienced vet to find out what is going on.
 

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It must be frustrating to spend the money and be told they're OK when clearly the piggie isn't able to walk. I am shocked a vet would tell you all of the above with piggie in such state and send you home with them without any health plan. Tbh, I don't think I would keep my face straight if he told me this.
I had a stunted boy who was half the size of a 1kg boar. He did end up having serious health issues. But it's up to a vet to look for them.

Did they tell you what else they could do to find out what's wrong? How did you know how to trim the teeth? So many questions.
 

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I read that a different way - to clarify, did you trim the teeth yourself or did the vet do it?

Slanted front teeth can point to a problem with the back teeth. If the back teeth don’t wear down evenly, then they can force the front teeth to wear unevenly.
 

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I read that a different way - to clarify, did you trim the teeth yourself or did the vet do it?

Slanted front teeth can point to a problem with the back teeth. If the back teeth don’t wear down evenly, then they can force the front teeth to wear unevenly.
First trip was with a non experience guinea pig vet
Second trip was with a experience guinea pig vet.

I trimmed the teeth down myself a day before going to the vet. I was taught how to trim the teeth with teeth clippers many years ago by a vet with experience.

Both different vets took a look inside the mouth to check the back teeth and took X-rays just to be sure nothing was wrong with the teeth.

And was told to trim the teeth again in a few days if they are uneven or crooked. Which I didn’t need to do yet since they are perfect minus that he drooling. The drool/mouth doesn’t smell!

I been weighting them daily at the same hour. There weights have only been going up or down a oz.

I wanted to give him a warm bath & dry him well to see if it was drool or just a messy drinker, it could be a possibility that he been laying his chin in pee since he white fur is yellow at that area. but I don’t want to take the chance of him getting sicker with the bath
 

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First, we can never approve of giving piggy a dental yourself and I’m absolutely stunned that a vet seems to approve of this.

Second, if one piggy is small for his age and their weight is only been going up or down a few oz - how long has that been going on? Have they been gaining well before now? You should be seeing weight gain each week since you’ve had them. If they haven’t been gaining well then there are problems.

You cannot assume drooling is because of being a messy drinker - it could be because there is something preventing him from swallowing properly and that needs investigating. There is something going on with both of them that needs an experienced vet to diagnose and treat properly. Telling you to clip their front teeth yourself and give vitamin c would send me running to find a new vet
 

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We do not support trimming teeth at home. You’re not a vet and to be honest you could make things worse. I would find another vet and get a second opinion on the paralysis. As already mentioned, vitamin c won’t cure it. And that could come with its own problems.
 

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Not only do we not support teeth trimming at home but clipping is widely recognised now as an incorrect way of dealing with guinea pigs teeth. It is extremely rare that overgrown front teeth are that way on their own, this is most commonly caused by a problem with the back teeth
 

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First, we can never approve of giving piggy a dental yourself and I’m absolutely stunned that a vet seems to approve of this.

Second, if one piggy is small for his age and their weight is only been going up or down a few oz - how long has that been going on? Have they been gaining well before now? You should be seeing weight gain each week since you’ve had them. If they haven’t been gaining well then there are problems.

You cannot assume drooling is because of being a messy drinker - it could be because there is something preventing him from swallowing properly and that needs investigating. There is something going on with both of them that needs an experienced vet to diagnose and treat properly. Telling you to clip their front teeth yourself and give vitamin c would send me running to find a new vet
I was training on how to trim a guinea pig teeth by a expert, even if I’m not a vet I still have the qualification to do it.

He has always gained weight perfectly fine, only that his body length/height stop growing after 3 weeks of being born.

For one whole week I been weighing him daily, it was only during these last two days that his weight went down 1 oz then it went up 1 oz the next day.

The vet only recommended to take the veggies away and keep the Normal amount of pellet and hay and give them vitamin c for only 5 days for one and 2 days for the other. His chin started to get wet after I stop the vitamin which was 2 days ago
 
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