Pellets Dependency ?!

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Hi all ,

I've started to notice that whenever the piggies run out of pellets they almost wheek incessantly , almost if they were in some sort of drug related withdrawal .
Both of them .

They have unlimited access to hay which I replace every day , they eat fresh grass or veggies 3 times a day (approx 50 grams) , I'm still giving them pellets , no more than 30-40 grams per day .

It's just that the calls are almost incessant whenever there are no pellets in the hutch , almost if they were about to enter cold-turkey stages !

Anyone else had this or does anyone know if these supplements are unhealthy in any way ?

Thank you
 
I have never heard of any pigs doing that it sound like they have gotten used to having your attention for food perhaps. Are they secretly training you for food.:lol:

Lol they start to know I'm a bit too easy and soft , that for sure !
In all seriousness , the intensity is truly on another scale when pellets are concerned !
 
how strange ! maybe serving pellets twice aday ration there 40grams into two servings ,maybe take the pellet bowl away after an hour ! they must have yummy pellets .:)
 
Mine make a huge racket at certain times...like 5 in the morning :lol!: where they won't stop till I give them their pellets.
 
Mine scream at me. literally scream. The babies are the worst, they are so noisy. You would honestly think I starve them all. They get extremely loud first thing in the morning before veggies and around 5pm when they are due pellets. Even after veg and pellets, if they hear a plate on the worktop or hear me open a cupboard, or even the fridge, they are up at the bars squeaking again. They are bottomless pits!
 
Mine scream at me. literally scream. The babies are the worst, they are so noisy. You would honestly think I starve them all. They get extremely loud first thing in the morning before veggies and around 5pm when they are due pellets. Even after veg and pellets, if they hear a plate on the worktop or hear me open a cupboard, or even the fridge, they are up at the bars squeaking again. They are bottomless pits!

Yeah I have the same , mine get really loud even after feeding . But it's really noticeably different when these pellets are missing.

I'm giving them in 2 smaller rations rather than all in one go .

But they are eating other things too , lots of them as well.
 
theres nothing horrendously bad with the pets at home pellets just that they are higher in sugar. I suppose its like a toddler being weaned off coco pops after being allowed them constantly lol
 
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They are c****y p@h ones and these are the contents . I'm not even going to finish them , I think they are doing weird things to them .
Honestly I don't like those ingredients... wheat is at the first place of the list... and wheat should never be present. Wheat, according to the latest researches seem to act like a sort of drug for our brain...
http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/04/wheat-is-an-opiate/
try to cut yourself off all the wheat and you will start dreaming of pasta and bread and you will also feel nervous... this happened to me, too (for healthy reasons I decided to cut off the wheat).
My piggies have few pellets and although they like them and wheek when they hear the sound of the bag, they don't seem to wish them so hard... They have never been fed with wheat also at the rescue. But they yell like mad ladies if the grass is over.
Another thing: the amount suggested by the firms is of course higher than the one suggested by the vets...
Now, of course, finish the bag you are giving them, but next time try another brand cereals-free.
 
Look, as you are italian and your family is sometimes visiting you in UK, I have found this pellet produced by an italian firm. It is organic and is sold by Arcaplanet. These are the ingredients (only a variety of grass and some vegs, plus the usual vitamins additioned):
100-bio-guinea-pigs-cavie-cror12_1.webp

COMPOSIZIONE:



- Fieno di prato polifita

- Alopecurus myosuroides

- Festuca rubra

- Poa pratensis

- Agropyrum repens

- Trifolium

- Taraxacum officinale

- Vicia sylvatica

- Leucanthemum vulgare

- Agrostis capillaris

- Trifolium dubium Phleum pratense

- Alchemilla vulgaris

- Chamerion angustifolium

- Plantago major

- Hypericum

- Deschampsia caespitose

- Platanthera bifolia

- Trifolium pratense

- Trifolium repens

- Pisum arvense

- spiga intera di avena (Avena sativa)

- germogli interi di orzo (Hordeum vulgare)

- bacello intero di fagiolo

- alfa-alfa

- topinambur (Helianthus tuberosus)

- zucca

- sedano
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another cereals free pellet is Versele Laga Complete. And some other few brands...
 
Honestly I don't like those ingredients... wheat is at the first place of the list... and wheat should never be present. Wheat, according to the latest researches seem to act like a sort of drug for our brain...
http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/04/wheat-is-an-opiate/
try to cut yourself off all the wheat and you will start dreaming of pasta and bread and you will also feel nervous... this happened to me, too (for healthy reasons I decided to cut off the wheat).

:agr: I don't know enough about nutrition so wasn't going to comment until I saw the above!
I have switched my boys to grainless as I have read that high grains meet their energy requirements quickly so they don't eat as much of the stuff they should such as hay and grass, which can have a detrimental effect on their teeth and digestion.
I know we are completely different animals to guinea pigs but like rome_italy , if I eat high carbs I don't just feel hungry again soon after I actually crave carbs!:crazy:
 
:agr: I don't know enough about nutrition so wasn't going to comment until I saw the above!
I have switched my boys to grainless as I have read that high grains meet their energy requirements quickly so they don't eat as much of the stuff they should such as hay and grass, which can have a detrimental effect on their teeth and digestion.
I know we are completely different animals to guinea pigs but like rome_italy , if I eat high carbs I don't just feel hungry again soon after I actually crave carbs!:crazy:
have you ever had weird dreams of spaghetti and of you swimming among them? :woot:
Jokes aside, actually guinea pigs have a hormonal response similar to us... and most researches about the weird effect of insuline (on the brain and the ovaries for example) were conducted on piggies before using people. Last year I started reading and being documented a lot about recent studies on high carbs and insuline and the bad effect of insuline on ovarian cysts, because unfortunately my daughter was diagnosed with PCOS (ovarian cysts desease); the research was conducted on sows and then on women; considering the promising results I decided to try a strict diet with my daughter. After one year my daughter's scan showed no cysts at all, her menses stopped being irregular and painful and her doctor is astonished. I showed this research to the vet, considering that a lot of sows are diagnosed with ovarian cysts during their life; he was unable to give me an answer of course and did not even know the research (because it was not a veterinary research)... anyway he also agrees that carbs/sugars for piggies are bad and might affect sows more severely than boars, who knows?
and if the best vets recommend only grainless pellets, there must be a good reason...
 
have you ever had weird dreams of spaghetti and of you swimming among them? :woot:
Jokes aside, actually guinea pigs have a hormonal response similar to us... and most researches about the weird effect of insuline (on the brain and the ovaries for example) were conducted on piggies before using people. Last year I started reading and being documented a lot about recent studies on high carbs and insuline and the bad effect of insuline on ovarian cysts, because unfortunately my daughter was diagnosed with PCOS (ovarian cysts desease); the research was conducted on sows and then on women; considering the promising results I decided to try a strict diet with my daughter. After one year my daughter's scan showed no cysts at all, her menses stopped being irregular and painful and her doctor is astonished. I showed this research to the vet, considering that a lot of sows are diagnosed with ovarian cysts during their life; he was unable to give me an answer of course and did not even know the research (because it was not a veterinary research)... anyway he also agrees that carbs/sugars for piggies are bad and might affect sows more severely than boars, who knows?
and if the best vets recommend only grainless pellets, there must be a good reason...

Bread was my thing! :drool:

Spent 2 years grain and refined carb free and felt so good! I've been trying to get back to it since having Spock junior but its not so easy now!

I look forward to your posts regarding nutrition, they are always so very interesting!

Have you ever started a thread regarding grains and ovarian cysts?

I'm sure there are many forum members who would be very interested to read about it and maybe you'll be doing a great service to sows everywhere!
 
Bread was my thing! :drool:

Spent 2 years grain and refined carb free and felt so good! I've been trying to get back to it since having Spock junior but its not so easy now!

I look forward to your posts regarding nutrition, they are always so very interesting!

Have you ever started a thread regarding grains and ovarian cysts?

I'm sure there are many forum members who would be very interested to read about it and maybe you'll be doing a great service to sows everywhere!
the subject ovarian cysts-insuline (therefore high carbs, refined flour, etc.) is now accepted by the official medicine for us humans, doctors have understood that ovarian cysts are not an ovarian defect, but a consequence of a metabolic desorder... but of course doctors prefer following the usual road towards the Big Pharma business, prescribing the drug used for diabetes (metformin) which has a lot of side effects. Some "different" doctor recommends only a diet for losing at least 5% of body weight. My daughter started feeling bad, had a lot of symptoms, had gained quickly 8 kg but she was considered normal weight even with those kg! because she was very slim before... therefore I had to do on my own. It was hard because no diet seemed to work with her! at home we started eating like her and we became skeletons, but she was losing nothing! until we tried that crazy diet which in her worked amazingly and she came back active and dynamic as before. Now she is again a lively girl, does a lot of sport, feels not tired, can study and pass her exams with good results and so on. And her new scan was a great surprise even for her doctors (no meds at all for her, only diet and some supplements). In the meanwhile, for supporting her, we started her same diet and we also started feeling great! I saw a lot of results on both my body and brain. At the beginning it was hard, I felt like a drug woman, I was going "cold turkey"; but after some days I felt fine.
When I read about the fact of ovarian cysts in sows I came back to the researches I read for my daughter (for humans) and I found out that the first tests were conducted with guinea pigs (sows)! therefore I had a talk with a vet and he also was very interested in the matter but talking with his collegues (even abroad), found out that nobody knew anything more about the subject; the only thing they all agree is that sows develop different cysts, most of them are hormonal (in fact they alter also hair and behaviour), respond to hormonal drugs (anti-estrogens) and (but this was told in a low voice) these sows have been usually fed with common old pellets and old fashioned diets and are often "chubby". Just like women. But there are no studies, although the diet and the pellets for piggies have been changed in these last years and maybe in the future some good results will be seen in this field.
What they have discovered in women is that ovaries have receptors for insuline and certain women are prone (genetically?) to a certain sensitivity and a different hormonal response. These women may be too sensitive to high picks of insuline (caused by high carbs) and ovaries can be bombarded and damaged during the years...
I don't open any thread of course because I am only doing a sort of experiment on my daughter (and family) and on my sows who are kept far from any kind of sugars and cereals. Maybe it will not work... anyway I think it is a healthy diet, we all feel fine and it might bring some good result to some people (of course it is not the miraculous discovery for getting rid of cysts and other symptoms...)
I have lost all the researches saved on pc, unfortunately...:rant: when my stupid pc broke down some months ago...
Maybe this one is a good article which explains clearly the subject.
PCOS and DIET | OBGYN.Net
another thing we should consider is: guinea pigs and humans share a similar hormonal system, hence they are used into the labs for our future drugs, too...
 
Its very very interesting thank you, and very relevant to a member of my family at the moment, can you elaborate on your daughter's diet?

I understand your reluctance to starting a thread and from reading the food section on here it seems people are drifting towards grainless pellets anyway.
Will be interesting to see if it makes a difference.:)
 
Its very very interesting thank you, and very relevant to a member of my family at the moment, can you elaborate on your daughter's diet?

I understand your reluctance to starting a thread and from reading the food section on here it seems people are drifting towards grainless pellets anyway.
Will be interesting to see if it makes a difference.:)
if you like we can exchange other details by private message, especially if there is some member of your family with a similar issue or with other symptoms (a friend of mine with another diet based on similar principles recovered from a chronical thyroid disease...).
 
if you like we can exchange other details by private message, especially if there is some member of your family with a similar issue or with other symptoms (a friend of mine with another diet based on similar principles recovered from a chronical thyroid disease...).
I don't think I can send a private message yet!
 
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