Piggies better then rabbits for my toddler?

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Hello all, My partner and I would like a small pet we wondered of a small rabbit but I'm not sure. We have a toddler and didn't want to spend too much on a pet over year. We thought of buying

Ferplast 100 Rabbit Cage or is this too big for 2 or 3 guinea pigs possibly

we would like to have a cuddly animal and enjoy us being around, we can let them out in the evening when our girl is asleep. Do they need any yearly injections or do any of you give them pet insurance?


Thanks
 
Hello all, My partner and I would like a small pet we wondered of a small rabbit but I'm not sure. We have a toddler and didn't want to spend too much on a pet over year. We thought of buying

Ferplast 100 Rabbit Cage or is this too big for 2 or 3 guinea pigs possibly

we would like to have a cuddly animal and enjoy us being around, we can let them out in the evening when our girl is asleep. Do they need any yearly injections or do any of you give them pet insurance?


Thanks

A ferplast 100 is actually way too small.

A ferplast 140 on the other hand would be ideal for 3 piggies.

Piggies are very rewarding animals, and so loving :))
 
so if we do go for 2 guinea pigs it should be ok then? What about litter training etc do they learn that?
 
The recommended cage size for two piggies is the Ferplast 120, or another cage that measures 120cm long, this gives the piggies enough room to do what they want and reduces stress on both pigs.

Some people have tried to litter train guinea pigs and it has been slightly successful, but most pigs tend to go when the urge takes them :))
They mainly like to poop in certain places though.

i'd just also like to say, if you get three guinea pigs I suggest three girls or a pair of girls and a neutered boar. A trio of boars rarely works. x
 
Oh and they don't need vaccinations, but pet insurance could come in handy just in case your piggies get ill.

the cost of vegetables, hay and bedding can also be quite high at times, ad with the uncertainty of vets bills you can never have a cheap pet. The price of keeping any pet will vary yearly, so be prepared for vets bills no matter what animal you have :)
 
I agree, That a ferplast 100 is definatly not big enough for 2 piggies (according to RSPCA recomendations)

:) Guinea pigs do not need any vaccinations, however please be aware guinea pigs are prey animals, it often takes a good while to gain their trust and before this has happened they may be a very dull pet in your young daughters eyes. :) However once tame they can be very enjoyable to cuddle at watch.

I echo skelly on the trios, it really has to be a trio of females, or two females with a neutered male as more than two males causes problems :)

Guinea pig bills certainly can mount up, but i personally keep costs down by buying hay in bulk and using reuseable beddings like fleece.

It is actually possible to get guinea pig insurance through exotics direct pet insurers :)

Hello and welcome to the forum! Please dont hesitate to ask any other questions you may have and have a browse round the sections of the forum :D
 
just want to echo what has already been said, 120cm is the recommended minimum for a pair of piggies. the safest way to find a happy pair is to go to a rescue centre. so many times I have heard people buying pregnant pigs, or 1 male 1 female from a petshop. and before you even get started you've got a group of baby pigs to look after and find homes for.

Also wanted to add, rabbits DO NOT make good pets for children. they require 3vaccinations a year and need a minimum 6ft by 2ft home with a permanently attached 6ft by 6ft run. you need a minimum of two rabbits same as piggies, and you will almost definitely need to get them insured as vets bills can rival those of a dog or cat. oh and the insurance doesn't cover routine vaccinations, or spaying and neutering, which are essential as unspeyed/uneutered rabbits will have very nasty fights.

I don't want to scare you off, but rabbits are a lot of hardwork, much more so than guinea pigs. Plus piggies are much more entertaining to have :D
 
If you do get piggies, please please please be careful if your toddler picks them up they can get so many injuries by being dropped.

Also, please consider getting your pet/s from a rescue as so many needing homes as always, it is very rewarding knowing you have helped a fluffball.

Welcome to the forum x
 
The best pet for a toddler is a cuddly toy IMHO , or an electronic cuddly toy. They take no care at all.

But if you are set on getting a real animal , guinea pigs are great but they can be wriggly so the child should be taught to sit on floor while handling incase they drop them then its only a small drop.

http://www.zooplus.co.uk/shop/small_pets/hutches_cages/rabbit_cage/120_cm_cages/83034

This cage is a good cage for 2 piggies. 2 piggies is a nice amount and the caging is cheap. 3 or more and caging starts getting expensive.
 
I don't want to scare you off, but rabbits are a lot of hardwork, much more so than guinea pigs. Plus piggies are much more entertaining to have :D

Just wanted to say that for me personally, rabbits have been the easiest pet I've ever owned. I've had one for the past 10 years and got two more (born June last year) recently, and I couldn't fault any of them. I've kept rats, hamsters, a dog and guinea-pigs, and I've had less stress with the rabbits than any of the other animals.

It all depends on the individual person's idea and ability of owning a certain pet, to make them ideal. But you are right, rabbits aren't ideal for a family with young children, but neither is any pet, unless the owner has full responsibility.
 
I'd say a guinea pig is a good pet but they aren't as easy as they sound, i recently helped an elderly gentleman get everything together to adopt some, as people have previously said as a pro rescue forum, we recommend adopting instead of pet shop pigs, the gentleman i know that adopted them became alot less lonely because guinea pigs are just such great little characters !

So lets start with a list of what you need !

A Cage, Guinea pigs also need alot of space, a cage must be the minimum of a 120 cage for 2 guinea pigs, and obviously guinea pigs are social creatures so boys should be kept in pairs (groups bigger with boys rarely work) and girls can be kept in anything more that 2 ! This website should help you, it recommends a C&C cage, it will explain it on the website there lovely and alot more versatile than a shop bought cage.

http://www.guineapigcages.com/

A Run, Referring back to needing alot of space, guinea pigs need alot of exercise ! And as exercise balls and wheels are out of the question due to there delicate backs, you need a run, a run should be bigger than the piggies actual living space so there cage basically, this run can be for indoor and outdoor or you can have one for each !

Food, the most important thing to a piggy ! Nuggets are the base of a piggies diet, there is alot of mixed feed's that we don't recommend due to promoting selective feeding but if you want to know more about that you can search it, we promote nuggets that usually look like guinea pig poo basically, there are several brands that people use and personally i use Burgess (: On top of nuggets, they need hay available at all times, this should be in a hay rack and also can be used in the cage for extra warm bedding ! Hay is for keeping the teeth in good order too ! Also piggies need daily fresh veggies, theres a list of veggies you can feed them here

http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=42

Of course this requires a water bottle (not a bowl) a veg bowl and a nugget bowl, some people recommend if you have boars that you buy two of everything so they have there own things.

Bedding, there is so much bedding to choose from, Sawdust is great but often the dust in it can be dangerous for there breathing, and sometimes it can get in the piggies eye causing damage, i've experienced both of these things. Carefresh is a safer paper based bedding which alot of people love, although expensive cheaper brands can be bought, Vet bed, this is a bedding that requires alot more work, and need's to be changed and washed and poop scooped regularly, along with fleece as a bedding, fleece requires daily poop scooping and washing around every 3 days but looks great and piggies find it super comfey !

Vet Bills, guinea pigs do need fairly regular nail clipping and untill you feel safe yourself doing this you may want it done by a vet costing between £4-£10 a time, on the other hand if you adopt the rescue may provide this service free of charge ! As i mentioned in bedding piggies do sometimes just end up hurting themselves with different things and this can total up a bit, a check up for my piggies to just see a vet before any medication is about £18 ! then obviously you need to buy anything he prescribes after that, Luckily i haven't had to make to many trips to the vets so far in my piggy owning life !

Toys, Piggies need something to keep them active, tunnels, willow balls, and natural treats are great, as well as the essential hidey places like igloos ! But not all toys need to be bought, piggies can find fun in simple things like paper bags and toilet rolls, once you start searching you can find some really great and cheap ideas !

Time, Piggies require alot of time ! they like to be loved and played with, they require there run around time for about an hour and more if you can daily, the also need you to take the time to chop up there veggies every day (i do mine at night but you can do it whenever really) so if you don't have the time to do all these things including the piggie shopping they may not be for you !

Obviously the starting up cost is alot more then day to day costs ! a cage can be normally £50 for a good size one, and then you need the odd little bits like hairbrushes and things, if you go into your local pet shop they can help you price things up (:
They may recommend things like water drops for vitamins and these just aren't necessary and can sometimes put piggies off there water,

Another cost is if you become an addict like me and many others i started of with just 2 and within 4 months i had 5 and i still want more haha!

I can't really say guinea pigs are easier than rabbits as i don't know anything about rabbits !

Good luck with your pottential piggie future !
 
hi i havent got my guineas home yet (2 weeks to go!) But i'd just like to say i think it is fantastic you are considering a pet for your child. I grew up with dogs/cats/rabbits/fish/chipmunks and cats and my children have grown up with our husky, 2 cats (sadly passed) and fish and now guineas! and i think its important for children to learn how to care and love animals from very early age! It's also good for their immune systems.

Good luck to you i say and as long as you teach your toddler (like i have to as well) they'll bond as they grow together.

My son (nearly 2) is so attached to our husky they are inseperable! whereas my daughter now 7 isnt so attached but is so excited over the guineas so i think she'll take over the bonding with them, whereas my sons too young.

Every child should learn the responsibilty of a pet right from the start then it becomes natural in life and maybe we'll have less abandoned animals in future rolleyes
 
Excellent post by twiams! :)

Just to add, getting a run this sort of size, http://www.supapet.com/cages-hutches-runs/512-rabbit-run.html is ideal for a pair of guinea-pigs or a pair of dwarf rabbits. That's actually a pretty good deal as well! :p

Wire ones, I find, are better as they don't require as much maintenance as wooden ones, that will need treating and replacement mesh. But you will have to get tarpaulin or something to cover half for shading, if you're unable to find share in your garden when its sunny.
 
Good of you on doing your research first!

I just wanted to add - there is NO cheap and easy pet once you get down to it!

Unlike rabbits, guinea pigs don't need vaccinations and they don't need to be neutered necessarily (provided they are all the same sex). But they can fall ill and incur vet cost like any other pet. Whether a rabbit or a guinea pig, you will need to put a certain amount of money aside regularly (or get exotics insurance) to be prepared for an emergency, as things can get quite costly with a serious illness. Both animals are a commitment that will last for several years (guinea pigs usually live 4-7 years, for instance, but they can occasionally live even longer); and it will be down to you to care for your pets long after any interest has waned.

I would strongly recommend getting any pet from a reputable rescue if you decide to have any. Unlike shops, good rescues only rehome healthy, well bonded and properly sexed animals that are guaranteed not pregnant. Most rabbits will be already neutered or come with a neutering voucher if they are too young. You will also get support from the rescue during the settling in period.

You will need to make sure that your toddler can't get at any pets without supervision; he can seriously injure them!
 
hi i havent got my guineas home yet (2 weeks to go!) But i'd just like to say i think it is fantastic you are considering a pet for your child. I grew up with dogs/cats/rabbits/fish/chipmunks and cats and my children have grown up with our husky, 2 cats (sadly passed) and fish and now guineas! and i think its important for children to learn how to care and love animals from very early age! It's also good for their immune systems.

Good luck to you i say and as long as you teach your toddler (like i have to as well) they'll bond as they grow together.

My son (nearly 2) is so attached to our husky they are inseperable! whereas my daughter now 7 isnt so attached but is so excited over the guineas so i think she'll take over the bonding with them, whereas my sons too young.

Every child should learn the responsibilty of a pet right from the start then it becomes natural in life and maybe we'll have less abandoned animals in future rolleyes

I do see your point, every child does need to learn about responsibility, but there are many children who cannot appreciate animals and they get handed over to rescue or another owner.

That's what happened when a local woman was finding a home for her 2 rabbits a few months ago, who's toddler (he was 2 at the the time) was quite aggressive with them. I took them on for her and they are just about coming round to the idea of being picked up and touched, because he scared them by hitting them and pulling them. She did admit she'd made a mistake, she wanted to emphasise that to me, which I said I understood, because she just wanted her son to have a pet. He can come and see the rabbits any time, I've said that to his mum, but he was into everything when he came round once, opening all the hutches, chasing my elderly rabbit. He was being told not to but wouldn't listen, he was 2, no wonder!

Unless they have had time around animals before getting a pet themselves and have been calm and respectful of the animal, that's the only way you'll know if your child will appreciate them or not. It's risky to just get a pet and hope for the best, because if it does go wrong, not a lot of parents are prepared to keep the animal if it was for the child.
 
i dont ever blame the child just the parents.. its up to us as parents to teach right from wrong in everything!.

If i say no to my son whos coming up two, he knows it means NO.

Even so tho I would never leave him unattended with any animal for safety of him and the animal as you just never know.

Parents that allow their kids to hurt animals disgust me
 
Lilmisscavy and anaaleaze both make good points about children and pets, there's no getting away from the fact that, as parent, you are fully responsible for the animals.

Having recently adopted 2 guineas, my toddler likes them but has to be very strictly supervised, my older children adore them too but are much more careful. I insist on them sitting on the ground or cushion on the ground to avoid falls.

You must ensure that your child cannot open the cage (the ferplast catches are very easy for toddler hands to open and i assume most cages are simlar) and must always supervise contact.
 
Hello, yes it's fab you're doing your research :) I've skim read the other posts so hopefully won't end up repeating anything.

What I would say about getting guinea pigs as pets is please do ensure that you have enough time. These animals are not quite as simple as you may think.

When keeping any animal locked up in a cage you have to be really on the ball about ensuring all their needs are met - every day - for the next 5-8 years.

For me, my piggies require cleaning out every two days because they are bedded on fleece. Usually takes me half an hour or so, I clean everything down, wash all the hay tubs etc but that's not including washing and drying the new fleeces aswell. I'm not comfortable with the idea of any animal being forced to eat, sleep, and play amongst it's own outputs. In the wild a piggy would have space to move on and away from their droppings and urine.

Food should be kept on a routine basis, guinea pigs are creatures of habit and like a solid routine. The veg gets complicated with the does and don'ts - so check out the food section for ideas.

They require lots of time out of the cage - an hour minimum everyday - but this really is minimum, alot of people let there piggies out for several hours a day, but this means creating a safe environment, or having very large pens and creating fun for them every evening so they can stretch their legs and run around! Sounds easy enough, the reality is.....every evening putting everything away, setting up the safe area, putting something down to protect your carpets, gathering the toys, placing them around strategically, changing and creating new toys and then hoovering every night because those little poops get absolutely everywhere! Guinea pigs are pooping machines! Possibly not something you'll want with a toddler running around.....

Guinea pigs aren't naturally biters - but I think it's important to point out that they can, and might, particularly when scared or being handled in a way they don't like.

Alot of guinea pigs can be very uneasy about being picked up, making the whole ordeal of taking them in and out of the cage a challenge. I have two that are a breeze and two that are a nightmare - it's complete pot luck.

They are delightful, entertaining, fabulous creatures. Some can be ridiculously laid back and will purr on your lap while you stroke them and give you heaps of affection, but there's just as many who can be particularly nervous - some can be inclined to nip, some can be inclined to lick lol - they all have their individual personalities. But whatever that personality is - these animals are not for the faint hearted.

If you're looking to get piggies because you adore them, absolutely go for it! They're amazing. If you're thinking a guinea pig is a good pet to have because they are low maintenance, I would say - step away from the piggie section.......they really really aren't (and I can say that because I absolutely adore the little high maintenance sods). :p

If you get piggies and would like insurance, exoticdirect.com provide :) good luck!

p.s. really echo whatever has said about going a rescue, they can match you to piggies who will fit into your family, i.e. more confident, laid back piggies. However, just to point out some rescues have a policy of no rehoming guinea pigs to households with children under the age of 9 years old.

x
 
My pigs are the most time consuming animal I have owned. I clean my pigs cage out twice a day. I do the run twice a day too. Setting the run up takes time. 4 lots of cuddle time (2 lots for each pig) 2 lots of veggy cutting, washing and serving, baths, brushing, nail clipping,health checking, litter tray cleaning, hay rack filling, fleece washing, pig weighing, hair cutting lol
So basicly, they are more work than say a cat. I'd consider a cat. I love cats.
 
Hamster...


Rabbits need a minimum of 6ftx3ft hutch with 6x5ft run on not to mention the vacc's,spay and dental checks Ontop of the veggie and constant hay and toys for stimulation.


Guineapigs are messy and need cleaning twice a day they can be noisy and and nervy and dont do well with loud noises(children).


should you decide to get a pet let it be for you not for your child
 
Hamster...


should you decide to get a pet let it be for you not for your child

Hamsters sleep all day and are only active at night when the child is normally sleeping. Gerbils are better for being active during the day and I've found the boarding ones to be really friendly but I don't think any small animal is suitable for a toddler.

It's lovely to see a child sitting with a calm pet on their lap - that comes down to handling by the adults and they will have to do all the looking after until the child is old enough to recognise responsibility :)
 
Gerbils are Manic and hurt like hell when they bite. Pretty impossible for a small child to hold. I have one that runs around my shoulders and will tolerate attention but the others don't want to know unless treats are involved! They are super quick too and gnaw EVERYTHING! drool
 
get a dog! Teach it and train it correct and it'll be your childs best friend for life :<>
 
I second the cat idea - I've had two and they are a doddle in comparison. Self-sufficient, can come and go as they please, diet is straightforward you can get their food on your weekly supermarket shop, instead of ordering online/making special trips to pet shop, they don't poop in the house, they bury their own poop in the garden, they don't require walking and if a child is doing something they aren't keen on - they have the ability to leg it! haha. Plus they are very affectionate when treated nicely. Everyone loves a nice cat cuddle.

Oh, worth taking your family to visit choosen pet a few times, you don't want to discover allergies after you've brought it home.

Wow cleaning twice a day! I thought I was bad! haha. I line my hay tubs with megazorb, and place them in a shielded corner with hay racks above - I'm quite lucky that all my piggies navigate their to do their business and megazorb is fab! When I tip it, there's never any wet bits because it's so absorbant but I still disinfect everything every two days. I don't change the fleeces twice a day....but I do provide fresh cosys and fleece tunnels as often as required. My piggies do have enourmous cages - and I find the bigger the cage the easier it is. At the moment I have a piggy in quarantine who has a smaller cage and hers has needed cleaning out more regularly, and I have a mother and baby in a small 100cm cage and hers needs cleaning out very frequently because I need to put the hay and food on the ground for the baby to be able to get too.

I've only needed to clean out twice a day post neutering for my two boys to be extra extra careful. I'm starting to wonder now if I'm a bad piggy Mummy for not cleaning out everyday.....:...:...
 
I third the cat idea, my first pet of my own was a cat, it wanted cuddles when i did, and when i got bored it went off and did it's own thing and just went outside i didn't have to worry about walking it etc. (:
 
Guineapigs are messy and need cleaning twice a day they can be noisy and and nervy and dont do well with loud noises(children).


should you decide to get a pet let it be for you not for your child

I have a 2 year old and a 4 year old and 4 piggies that live in our kitchen, they're not in the slightest bit phased by the kids being noisy etc as they're used to them, and constantly shout for the kids to go and pick them dandelions and parsley from the garden!
 
My pigs jump out of their little skins with loud noises. They are fine with the vacuum and TV but anything sudden and they are off! They aren't happy at all when the nieces and nephews come round. Its all down to what they are used to I guess.
 
If you really want guinea pigs for your toddler I'd suggest getting some older piggies that are very relaxed and used to loud noises and handling. Young ones would be very skittish. My two youngest boars, not quite a year old yet are fine when my neice and nephew are round but if they start making loud noises they flee which in turn makes me niece flee.

but my older two chilled piggies are completely fine with both of them and happily ignore them or come over if Holly is curious. Holly's just over a year old.
 
If you really want guinea pigs for your toddler I'd suggest getting some older piggies that are very relaxed and used to loud noises and handling. Young ones would be very skittish. My two youngest boars, not quite a year old yet are fine when my neice and nephew are round but if they start making loud noises they flee which in turn makes me niece flee.

but my older two chilled piggies are completely fine with both of them and happily ignore them or come over if Holly is curious. Holly's just over a year old.

This is a very sound piece of advice - older animals have often been used to a busier household already, whereas young ones can take a long time to come round, especially if all they have ever known is a manky pet shop.

I do urge you to very, very seriously consider if you have the time, money and space for guineas though, toddlers are very time consuming and the guinea pigs are equally so. I don't mean to tarr all with the same brush but if I had £1 for every Gumtree ad I report that says 'kids got bored' or 'didn't realise they took so much time' or even worse 'kids now want a KITTEN/PUPPY?RABBIT so we are getting rid of the guineas and getting that instead' I would have a mansion in mid Surrey with 20 ponies!
 
I have a 2 year old and a 4 year old and 4 piggies that live in our kitchen, they're not in the slightest bit phased by the kids being noisy etc as they're used to them

My 2 piggies aren't even phased by the hoover, and will even put their noses right up to the hose............but the cats run a mile from it, and always have done.
 
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