Please help me bond my two piggy wiggies

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Hello

We have two male boars, Barney and Moe. We adopted them from a rehoming shelter separately on the pretence that we could bond them but were happy to have them separate. Barney had been brought twice back by another owner because he wouldn’t bond with pigs that the owner had. Moe was separated at 4 weeks from his Mother and siblings as he had ringworm. When he was better, he was too old to go back in with the babies and therefore was placed in a rehoming shelter.

We have tried to bond them before, we use a big open neutral space and only put hay and other treats for them to nibble. To begin with there was a lot of rumbling and strutting from Barney. However Moe just sits in a corner looking terrified making the high pitch noises. There are periods of time where they would settle down together and sleep or would eat. But then these are followed by periods of Barney rumbling and strutting and chasing Moe around the pen. I’ve attached a photo so people can see the size of the pen we use.

We also were advised to give them a bath before to get rid of there scent. We also used bedding and towels which neither of them have had in their cages before.

They never fight or have displayed aggression, we usually separate them because it feels like Moe just gets too distressed.

We know they are supposed to live in pairs and therefore considered getting a sow for them to bond with. However, after speaking to someone, they said that we would have to get at least one of the pigs in a pair neutered which is risky. Also, there is no guarantee that the boars and sows will get on together and we could end up with 4 guinea pigs who can’t bond. We therefore want to try (potentially) one last attempt.

Someone did say we can take them to a residential place to get them bonded but we aren’t really keen about strangers having our pigs.

Please can I just have as much advice on bonding them. Anything would be appreciated. (I’ve already looked at the bonding information on this forum already)

Thank you
 

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Hello

We have two male boars, Barney and Moe. We adopted them from a rehoming shelter separately on the pretence that we could bond them but were happy to have them separate. Barney had been brought twice back by another owner because he wouldn’t bond with pigs that the owner had. Moe was separated at 4 weeks from his Mother and siblings as he had ringworm. When he was better, he was too old to go back in with the babies and therefore was placed in a rehoming shelter.

We have tried to bond them before, we use a big open neutral space and only put hay and other treats for them to nibble. To begin with there was a lot of rumbling and strutting from Barney. However Moe just sits in a corner looking terrified making the high pitch noises. There are periods of time where they would settle down together and sleep or would eat. But then these are followed by periods of Barney rumbling and strutting and chasing Moe around the pen. I’ve attached a photo so people can see the size of the pen we use.

We also were advised to give them a bath before to get rid of there scent. We also used bedding and towels which neither of them have had in their cages before.

They never fight or have displayed aggression, we usually separate them because it feels like Moe just gets too distressed.

We know they are supposed to live in pairs and therefore considered getting a sow for them to bond with. However, after speaking to someone, they said that we would have to get at least one of the pigs in a pair neutered which is risky. Also, there is no guarantee that the boars and sows will get on together and we could end up with 4 guinea pigs who can’t bond. We therefore want to try (potentially) one last attempt.

Someone did say we can take them to a residential place to get them bonded but we aren’t really keen about strangers having our pigs.

Please can I just have as much advice on bonding them. Anything would be appreciated. (I’ve already looked at the bonding information on this forum already)

Thank you

Hi!

How old are your boys? Depending on the testosterone output, boars broadly bond better at some ages than others. They can be bonded and re-bonded at any age, but you are generally in with a roughly 50% chance of finding the right mix. Boar dating at a rescue which offers that service shows that is takes on average 1-3 candidates to find 'Mr Right', whatever the age or age combination.

Please accept that the bonding process follows strict rules and goes through different stages from the view of the guinea pigs. Dominance behaviour is essential in order to establish a working hierarchy and therefore a working group identity. Please do not separate and abort the bonding halfway through. Your boys need to restart right back in square one every time you do this.

Please take the time to carefully read our comprehensive bonding guide. As hard as it is for you, please do NOT interfere and do NOT abort unless the process has clearly failed. Chasing is a typical behaviour for the bonding stage, in which leadership is being established.

Bonding and Interaction: Illustrated social behaviours and bonding dynamics
 
Last year I bonded 2 pairs of sows.
Without the bonding information threads and the advice and support of forum members I doubt if I would have succeeded.
The hardest part was letting them get on with it when to me it looked as if 2 were really aggressive with each other and 1 was squealing.
I was more stressed than the piggies.

Hope you can successfully bond yours.

If you want to add sows into the mix you would need 1 sow per boar at least.
They would have to be in separate cages as 2 boars with sows doesn’t work.
Both boys would have to be neutered.

Keep us posted
 
I was a bundle of nerves when we went through the bonding process for our boys and it did seem like the younger one Tweek was terrified at first but there was no fighting just some rumbling, chasing and also ignoring each other. Eventually I saw Butters licking Tweeks ear and they seemed okay after that. We then put them together in a newly cleaned cage with two of everything and kept a really close eye on them for a good couple of weeks to make sure everything was okay. Many months later Butters still does a good bit of rumble strutting but there's no fighting and they are really well bonded now and call for each other if one is out of the cage. I think you need to try again and see it through to the outcome. I know it's a nerve-wracking thing to go through. Good luck :)
 
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