Putting off a breeder- Hairless pigs

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I wondered if anyone with knowledge of the problems hairless pigs suffer, would be interested in e-mailing this person some info to perhaps try and put them off breeding them? :(


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PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR VIEWS! Hi, I am planning to take up breeding Baldwin Guinea - Pigs. These are a completely hairless breed of Guinea - Pig, however, this will be a huge mission. This is due to the fact that Baldwins are not really know in England. PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE IS ANOTHER SEMI - HAIRLESS BREED OF GUINEA - PIG KNOWN AS SKINNIES! So if you would consider or like a Baldwin Guinea-Pig in the future please drop me an email so I know I am not wasting my time or money. I believe they are good for allergy suffers, but I am not 100% sure.
 
For some people it's money money money. Its a shame they have such sad lives and have to pass that on to the poor piggies. :(
 
In my experience trying to put people off usually makes them more determined to go ahead and do it anyway. It's a crying shame but then theres always a chance the person will change their mind.
 
I would say the same as Carrot. Poor piggies, are they meant to be hairless or did someone deliberately make them hairless?
 
carrot_tit said:
In my experience trying to put people off usually makes them more determined to go ahead and do it anyway. It's a crying shame but then theres always a chance the person will change their mind.
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Yes you are right, but this person has specifically asked for opinions, so I dont see the harm in giving a bit of info about animals in rescue and the problems hairless pigs suffer. I dont feel I personally know enough about it to reply.

Cavies- yes they have been bred deliberately to be hairless :(
 
Mary said:
It will be people like us that have to pick up the Pisces
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That's so very true :(

I doubt anyone anyone says will put people who have ££££ signs flashing in front of their eyes of breeding them. A prime example of a backyard breeder in the making. What a disgrace >:(

Barbara
 
OK - I have never had a hairless piggy, I personally don't like the idea of animals being purposely bred to have no hair but I have done some reading on them.... Mandy - I am going to respond with some of the below as like you have said, she has asked for views.

Anyway. It looks like hairless piggys were bred for laboratory research. Concerns have been raised regarding their immune systems - apparently not as good as their hairy counterparts but others now say that through careful breeding they can be just as hardy. Either way, this implies that sound knowledge is needed to breed these successfully.

From a care point of view, it seems very similar to how you would care for a hairy piggy but they are more temperature sensitive and must be kept out of draughts and direct sunlight. They tend to eat more to maintain their metabolism so diet is more important.

The other stuff that I also going to pass on is about how many piggys are currently in rescue and that purposeful breeding with the intent of selling the young is adding to this problem. I am also going to say that in my opinion, anyone who is passing on animals (whether this be by rescue or selling) has a duty to check throughly the homes that they go to and I would not take an animal from someone who didn't do this. Hopefully, she may realise that to be considered a 'good breeder' she will need to put in a lot more effort than originally planned. This is especially important with the hairless piggys as good husbandry is vital if the piggy is going to have a healthy long life.

I have to be honest - when I started searching for things, I found a lot of breeders out there. I was quite shocked.
 
Beaney said:
Anyway. It looks like hairless piggys were bred for laboratory research. Concerns have been raised regarding their immune systems...
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Oh dear! A common story. They have also bred the rat to be hairless. Does a hairless guinea pig end up with diabetes too? I wonder as it says that "Concerns have been raised regarding their immune system..."
I'm sorry but I dont think any animal should be hairless if it wasnt created by God hairless :(
Sorry again, but it really makes me mad >:(
 
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Beaney said:
Anyway. It looks like hairless piggys were bred for laboratory research. Concerns have been raised regarding their immune systems...
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Oh dear! A common story. They have also bred the rat to be hairless. Does a hairless guinea pig end up with diabetes too? I wonder as it says that "Concerns have been raised regarding their immune system..."
I'm sorry but I dont think any animal should be hairless if it wasnt created by God hairless :(
Sorry again, but it really makes me mad >:(
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Not sure about diabetes. All the info I had came from what I read. I have now responded to the freead with my personal views on the subject. Whilst I doubt it will stop her breeding them, I wanted to ensure that she realised that not everyone would be 'for it'.
 
Thank you Sabrina :-*.

I really cant bear the idea of hairless pigs- its just wrong IMO :(. Along with the other problems, they already suffer with the cold even with hair :(
 
Its true that hairless cavies were bred for laboratories. They were originally created in Canada. Most of the cavy fancy doesn't want them to be allowed and hopes they will be banned. We don't want knowledgeable breeders keeping them, we certainly don't want them getting onto the pet market where people with no idea about their care can freely buy them. Personally, I can't look at them, they make me cry, I feel so sorry for the poor things :'(

Kat
 
ive never heard of a hairless piggy unless there was something wrong with the poor thing ,it doe,snt seem right to me to breed them that way.
 
There is a breed of cat that is now a proper breed in the cat world. It has no hair, the poor thing cant go out in summer or winter, it just seems cruel to me
 
As you may have noticed by my name and my posts before hand I have skinnies and yes I have recently had a litter born, does that make me a "back yard breeder" ? I have offered my services and information to Barbra many times but I have always had it shoved back in my face.

Max, If you want any information please feel free to pm me and I will talk to you about skinnies til the cows come home ;)
 
SkinnyLover said:
As you may have noticed by my name and my posts before hand I have skinnies and yes I have recently had a litter born, does that make me a "back yard breeder" ? I have offered my services and information to Barbra many times but I have always had it shoved back in my face.

Max, If you want any information please feel free to pm me and I will talk to you about skinnies til the cows come home ;)
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Do you have any pictures of yours? I've seen a picture before and feel they resemble little hippos!

They're not my cup of tea at all, like my longhaired girls myself - but they've been bred just the same to produce longhair that the pig can't look after itself which is about as fair as producing one with no hair.
 
SkinnyLover said:
As you may have noticed by my name and my posts before hand I have skinnies and yes I have recently had a litter born, does that make me a "back yard breeder" ? I have offered my services and information to Barbra many times but I have always had it shoved back in my face.

Max, If you want any information please feel free to pm me and I will talk to you about skinnies til the cows come home ;)
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In my opinion - from what I know of you from the forum - I don't see you as a back yard breeder. For me there is a big difference between breeding for yourself and breeding 'on mass' to sell to make profit. Others may disagree but that is how I feel.

In regards to skinnys/baldwins in particular - my biggest concern of this case is that the care required for skinnies/baldwins requires the buyer to have a much higher level of knowledge which - unless the breeder provides it or they took extra care on research - they won't have. It worries me to think of these animals being homed into unsuitable environements but to be honest even if she had asked for views on breeding the 'normal' varieties I would still disagree.

The ethics of hairless animals is a different arguement. I personally don't like it - it seems unnatural and it upsets me to see the animals but I love the long haired and they are just as selectively bred. I know some, like yourselves, love them and I am glad there are people like you who do. I don't think anyone meant to offend you - I certainly didn't.
 
Personally I think it's a disgrace that they were ever bred in the first place. EVERY skinny now is related to a genetic mutation that occurred in Canada. They were inbred, bred, inbred and bred some more until there were enough to supply the demand. While many a breeder will suggest that they are "getting stronger" by being bred to furries, it's utter nonsense. I have NEVER seen a haired pig's body covered in melanoma. I've NEVER seen a haired pig with skin problems that are not caused by something unlike skinnies, who are predisposed to complex skin conditions with no apparent cause other than their lack of hair. The numbers of skinnies across the world with heart conditions is just ridiculous. And their general longevity? NOTHING compared to their furred counterparts.

They are a fad as were rexes (ended up in rescues), long-haired breeds (ended up in rescues) and rare varieties like the texel (ended up in rescues). I await their inevitable fate, even moreso because of their extensive needs that many an owner will not be prepared to cater for when they realise.

Sorry, did I rant a bit there? ;)
 
You'd do well to offend me ;D

I take these things on the chin. Personally I dont like Aby piggies but thats just my preferance. I do have few people waiting but I DO NOT breed to order.

I love all my pigs with all my heart I have hairies too

Have you ANY ACTUAL proof that skinnies live shorter lives than hairies? NO
 
SkinnyLover said:
You'd do well to offend me ;D

I take these things on the chin. Personally I dont like Aby piggies but thats just my preferance. I do have few people waiting but I DO NOT breed to order.

I love all my pigs with all my heart I have hairies too

Have you ANY ACTUAL proof that skinnies live shorter lives than hairies? NO
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How old is your oldest skinny? Have you any proof that they live the same length of time as haired cavies? The oldest pig on this thread on GL (http://www.guinealynx.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28492&sid=b44440523abcb9ec1b826b68532b525a) was 4. That was the oldest, not even an average.
 
My eldest skinny is almost 2. I do know of a few that have lived to 6/7 but what has that got to do with it? Do normal hairies not die of varying ages? do they all die old and frail?
 
SkinnyLover said:
My eldest skinny is almost 2. I do know of a few that have lived to 6/7 but what has that got to do with it? Do normal hairies not die of varying ages? do they all die old and frail?
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The majority of furred cavies generally die between the ages of 4 and 8. The majority of skinnies seem to be dying at 2-4.
 
Have you any ACTUAL proof that this is correct? not just here say and going on 2 or 3 cases
 
But whats the point? If you are so hell bent on insisting they die sooner then why interfere? Was his not a thread asking for help from a skiny or baldwin breeder to help STOP someone else doing it? I know my stuff, I know a fair few other skinny breeders and they also breed regular hairy piggies too.

Not everyone is in it for the money as some of you may *think* they are, out of 8 skinnies I have only 1 has a skin condition, and that is only slight.
 
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