Question about Xeno 50/450

[dannif_piggies]

I have an enquiry regarding the weights that are recommended for Xeno 50 and Xeno 450.

450 is recommended for piggies over 1200g
50 is for piggies up to 1200g

Misty is at the 800g mark and require 4 pipettes of the 50
Willow is at the 1.1kg point and need 5 pippetes of the 50
Lois is at 970g, again needing 4,
Laine is at 1.2kg and is the only one that reaches the 450 use of one pippet.

My question is, is there any harm in using one pippete on each of them of Xeno 450 when 3 of the girls aren't quite at that weight?

Otherwise for the full course of treatment I'm looking at nearly £80, obviously if it's needed to do this way I will, but if they can just have one pippette of 450, it'll be much quicker, easier, and cheaper.

Thanks in advance

 

[sport_billy]

@Abi_nurse

 

[PigglePuggle]

Our vet recommended that for piggies around 1kg we just use the Xeno450. We've used Xeno450 for anypig over 950g on the vet's advice, and he also suggested using half a tube of Xeno450 on Puggle when she weighed 700g. He said there is roughly a 50% safety margin each way for efficacy so it works even if it doesnt all hit the skin and gets stuck in the fur or on your gloves, and also for safety if there's a bit too much as they might well lick it off each other and get a higher dose than via skin absorption? He printed all the stuff out for us from the NOAH compendium about dosing, it was very helpful!

 

[dannif_piggies]

Our vet recommended that for piggies around 1kg we just use the Xeno450. We've used Xeno450 for anypig over 950g on the vet's advice, and he also suggested using half a tube of Xeno450 on Puggle when she weighed 700g. He said there is roughly a 50% safety margin each way for efficacy so it works even if it doesnt all hit the skin and gets stuck in the fur or on your gloves, and also for safety if there's a bit too much as they might well lick it off each other and get a higher dose than via skin absorption? He printed all the stuff out for us from the NOAH compendium about dosing, it was very helpful!

I was thinking like there's going to be ways that it doesn't all absorb. This is very helpful, I'll also wait for some other people's advice to be sure though. I was also wondering about just using less than a full pippette for baby Misty, so it's good hearing you've done this in the past

 

[PigglePuggle]

You might want to double check with the vet for piggies taking any other medicines because ivermectin and some other drugs use the same detoxification mechanisms in the body, so a piggy taking other meds might be at higher risk of an accidental overdose!
I did research for 2 years at a vet college in the USA on ivermectin for treating goat gut parasites there was a lot of goat poop involved, and a lot of ivermectin!

 

[dannif_piggies]

You might want to double check with the vet for piggies taking any other medicines because ivermectin and some other drugs use the same detoxification mechanisms in the body, so a piggy taking other meds might be at higher risk of an accidental overdose!
I did research for 2 years at a vet college in the USA on ivermectin for treating goat gut parasites there was a lot of goat poop involved, and a lot of ivermectin!

Thank you, all good though, all my girls are very healthy atm. Basically the thought of treating them comes from a vet trip yesterday concerned about sniffles with Misty, but she was sounding clear so no worry. But Willow had a fair bit of debris, so they looked under a microscope and she couldn't see anything but it's easy enough to miss, so to keep an eye out for scratching, or I could treat to make sure, then suggested Xeno, so I'm already going on the advice of the vet

 

[PigglePuggle]

Try not to get anxious about this @dannif_piggies and try not to over treat if you don't have a definitive diagnosis of mites. Mites can develop resistance if they are exposed to ivermectin routinely with no clinical signs. Some people routinely use Xeno450 every 3 months just in case and I once treated my whole herd on a possible but inconclusive suggestion of mites in one piggy (there was 1 mite egg case) but be guided by your vet at all times!
I'm just saying that because I remember how you got really stressed about your fungal piggy even after she got well!
I have a humourous anecdote about mites and ivermectin from my research days if you'd like to hear it and you won't think I'm spamming your thread?

 

[dannif_piggies]

Try not to get anxious about this @dannif_piggies and try not to over treat if you don't have a definitive diagnosis of mites. Mites can develop resistance if they are exposed to ivermectin routinely with no clinical signs. Some people routinely use Xeno450 every 3 months just in case and I once treated my whole herd on a possible but inconclusive suggestion of mites in one piggy (there was 1 mite egg case) but be guided by your vet at all times!
I'm just saying that because I remember how you got really stressed about your fungal piggy even after she got well!
I have a humourous anecdote about mites and ivermectin from my research days if you'd like to hear it and you won't think I'm spamming your thread?

Thank you for the advice, but mites is not something I'm paranoid about, the ringworm was a whole different issue and much bigger in my mind of just dealing with the pigs, my brain made me worrying about spreading it to my family and so on. This cannot happen with mites, it's just a case of if they need treating id rather do it sooner than later. I don't treat the girls precautionary, or routinely, one because I don't see the need and two, veterinary care is expensive as it is, why add extra expense? (Just my opinion).

The vet done a cellotape method of checking for mites which I found confusing because I thought mites were under the skin?

And spam away, I don't mind ahah