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Ohh i know it wasnt a moan, sorry if i came across that way! :) I just thought to say that the PAH debate is a heated one and i think they'll always be people buying from them and others not buying from them etc. But yes i do see the double standards coming across in a lot of posts. x

No, not aimed at you. lol, Just happened my post was under yours. I just really wanted to keep this on track, and not wander off into another p@h 'general' thread. xx :)
 
No, not aimed at you. lol, Just happened my post was under yours. I just really wanted to keep this on track, and not wander off into another p@h 'general' thread. xx :)

Lol! Its late, and I'm starting to become confuddled! :)) Hehe good idea to point that out its very easy to start wondering and rambling on a completely different subject!
 
Doeylicious that's really odd I heard P@H & Burgess are the same just a different shape lol
Have they tried Wagg Optimum? Mine loved it, you can get it from larger Asda (& Tesco poss) but I never go to Asda so they are stuck with Burgess lol (not too impressed with me about that but they do eat it nowrolleyes)
 
Doeylicious that's really odd I heard P@H & Burgess are the same just a different shape lol
Have they tried Wagg Optimum? Mine loved it, you can get it from larger Asda (& Tesco poss) but I never go to Asda so they are stuck with Burgess lol (not too impressed with me about that but they do eat it nowrolleyes)

I haven't tried that no, we have a ginormous Asda down the road from Doey's yard, think I will pop in on the way back from riding on Saturday. Thank you!

I'm not sure if they didn't like the Burgess being smaller, I know they are quite tiny, Dodge kinda got one stuck and started coughing a lot :{ he is a bit of a plank sometimes though...

My sister is a Montessori teacher and says her 3 year olds are less fussy than my guinea pigs...I can believe that...
 
My girlfriend has "adopted" animals from her local one and has said that they either have animals that are too old or not getting along with others they're housed with in the store, so put them up for "adoption", its just changing the way they're selling the animals, or the public can bring in their old pets for re-homing, which sounds lovely but should we be classing a pet store as a rescue centre too? I'm not familiar with the store as our nearest one is too far to go to often enough but I've been there a few times and that's what I have gathered from what she's told me and what I've witnessed. I personally don't understand, its slightly contradicting I think...

Our nearest also has a vet clinic at the back... I personally wouldn't risk taking any of my pets there.
 
My girlfriend has "adopted" animals from her local one and has said that they either have animals that are too old or not getting along with others they're housed with in the store, so put them up for "adoption", its just changing the way they're selling the animals, or the public can bring in their old pets for re-homing, which sounds lovely but should we be classing a pet store as a rescue centre too? I'm not familiar with the store as our nearest one is too far to go to often enough but I've been there a few times and that's what I have gathered from what she's told me and what I've witnessed. I personally don't understand, its slightly contradicting I think...

Our nearest also has a vet clinic at the back... I personally wouldn't risk taking any of my pets there.

No way should we class the adoption section as a rescue centre. Usually their 'too old' is 12 weeks plus, and 'not getting along' is because they know Jack about bonding. I agree with what you say about the vet clinic too. No way would they get within a mile of any of my pigs.! xx
 
I haven't tried that no, we have a ginormous Asda down the road from Doey's yard, think I will pop in on the way back from riding on Saturday. Thank you!

I'm not sure if they didn't like the Burgess being smaller, I know they are quite tiny, Dodge kinda got one stuck and started coughing a lot :{ he is a bit of a plank sometimes though...

My sister is a Montessori teacher and says her 3 year olds are less fussy than my guinea pigs...I can believe that...

Burgess guinea pig pellets are quite big, a sort of moon shape :{ Wagg Optimum are pretty small pellets, and Science Selective are little flower shapes lol
 
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My 1st two girls were from Rotherham P@H and the bloke who served us was brilliant (as I've said before) I could have adopted a child easier.
My mum bought my niece a g/p from Chesterfield P@H (also a nice store) we had to fill in a form with all of our details on (name, address, d.o.b, etc) has anyone else had to do this? the only reason I ask is because my brother bought 2 sows from Drakehouse P@H (terrible store grrrr ) and he didn't have to fill anything in.
My Teddy sow is from a rescue and they didn't check me out....I'll rephrase that, they didn't come and do a home visit.
They just asked me some questions, inside or out, hutch size, other piggies etc.
My local RSPCA aren't that helpful (sorry don't mean to offend anyone) but I enquired there 1st and the bloke didn't seem bothered either way and told me to come back another day, when I asked about guinea pigs which is why I went to P@H.
 
I was fortunate and joined this forum first, found out what was expected of me. I then joined Nutmeg in her piggy house for 2 lovely boys and left with 4 lovely boys. I did and do look at the animals in PAH and to date have resited tempataion.
 
Burgess guinea pig pellets are quite big, a sort of moon shape :{ Wagg Optimum are pretty small pellets, and Science Selective are little flower shapes lol

~goes and looks at bag~

Ah they were the blackcurranty ones, maybe thats why they didn't like them! :red

I've got a big bag of the P@H ones I'm about a third of the way through, so when it gets low I think I will get a small bag of Burgess and mix them in so they get used to them.

They are eating these ones really well at the moment.
 
the pets at home in cheltenham have been fantastic
we got Otis from their "adoption center" he was in there cos he attacked other piggies so no one wanted him, we was told the money we donated would go to a pets charity and far as i know thats true

we got Otis in dec from the regular guineapig section he was a bit of a impulse buy but we had been considering getting me one for ages just waiting to see ther perfect one and he was there looking cute! x)

problem is they are big corporate companies, our local one have been amazing they rang up to do checks after we got chewie to make sure he was ok and a month later they rerang, we go in the shop and they know us by sight now (mainly since we adopted Otis) and they always ask after the piggies.

i think it depends on the people who work in the stores.
I have no idea if we have local piggie places or any where else we could get the food from, however as they have looked after us and the piggies so well guna stick with them, the boys like the food we get them from there;

unless anyone can recomend a place to get pellets from? we get the pets at home brand ones atm.
 
~goes and looks at bag~

Ah they were the blackcurranty ones, maybe thats why they didn't like them! :red

I've got a big bag of the P@H ones I'm about a third of the way through, so when it gets low I think I will get a small bag of Burgess and mix them in so they get used to them.

They are eating these ones really well at the moment.

My vet says feeding 'guinea pig pellets' is the equivalent to giving a child chocolate, so perhaps you don't want to like them to much :)).

Mine get very little in the way of pellets (the recommend amount is a 1/4 of a cup. If I remember rightly, Guinea Lynx has also started recommending a pelletless diet.

My only concern is Vit D intake, as it comes from the sun and in the winter my indoor pigs don't see it very often but it seems pellets is a whole new debate.
 
No way should we class the adoption section as a rescue centre. Usually their 'too old' is 12 weeks plus, and 'not getting along' is because they know Jack about bonding. I agree with what you say about the vet clinic too. No way would they get within a mile of any of my pigs.! xx

I should have mentioned that was a rhetorical question :p it sounded wrong sorry about that! lol they're about as "rescue centre" as I am a 6 foot rugby player from Brazil!
 
I get Wagg pellets from Wilkinsons as its cheapest, I know that Sainsburys sells it as well (even the smallish one in the city centre). I uy my hay from Wilkinsons too... at least I know their profits are going to fat cats who aren't breeding more "stock" as they don't sell animals
 
Thanks for views everyone.
The question isn't really another about buying a pet shop guinea pig, originally, then finding out about rescues later. My concern is more that there are many many threads on here about this pet store and how bad people feel they are. Everyone then piles in and agrees how outrageous it is, but then people still go in, and buy adoption section guinea pigs from there, on a whim/impulse. Whereas in general, we would probably slate people who buy pets on impulse. Granted the people on here I believe, would provide excellent care, but why can't that excellent care be offered to a guinea pig from a rescue. It just seems like double standards. I know we have to buy food and hay and goodies etc., but all of these can be bought from animal feed suppliers, internet etc., even a good independent pet shop. We are lining the pockets of the big chains whether we buy pets or their accessories. I don't believe, sadly, that we will ever make pet shops not sell pets, but why groan about them on the one hand, they buy from them with the other? I would agree some are better than others, but whatever the individual store standards, you are still lining the corporate pocket. x

It would be nice to get this thread back on track and have some answers to Nutmegs original query. As a rescue I would love to know what else I can do to encourage homes to come forward. It gets very disheartening when I hear of people that know of and support rescues not actually getting their pigs from one but choosing to 'rescue' from a petshop.

Suzy x
 
It would be nice to get this thread back on track and have some answers to Nutmegs original query. As a rescue I would love to know what else I can do to encourage homes to come forward. It gets very disheartening when I hear of people that know of and support rescues not actually getting their pigs from one but choosing to 'rescue' from a petshop.

Suzy x

I did reply on a similar thread recently, this is what I said put me off initially;

.... in all honesty I was put off a rescue first time round for a number of reasons, the fact I'd need to wait quite some time, the homecheck - not so much me but my OH was not impressed with the notion of someone coming round to see if we were fit to look after piggies, he said no-one did it before we had the kids! Also the cost, they rescue I spoke to would only rehome a neutured boar and a sow at that time, and wanted £35 for the boar and either £15 or £20 for the sow if I remember rightly, so we were looking at £50/£55 for a pair of slightly older piggies, compared with £20 for a pair of young piggies we could go and pick up from a farm, chose which ones we wanted and bring them home without a homecheck. Whilst I was pro-rescue, and dislike petshops so therefore found a farm that bred piggies for sale just once a year, I have to say that the process/cost was pretty hard to argue with my OH. I can totally see, that unless people are extremely passionate about rescues it would seem a lot of work in many cases.

This time around I spoke with Jo at Cheylesmore rescue and it was totally different, she actually allowed me to reserve two piggies without seeing them while we got our house sorted after a flood, we spoke a lot via e-mail and she gave me advice (such as not using wood shavings as I had previously) and background on the piggies, such as Roy not liking being picked up and kicking like a rabbit, she didn't do a homecheck but asked that I send her photo's of the piggies within 2 weeks in their new home. She only asked for £25 donation for the two although I gave her slightly more and was really helpful in asking me to get in touch with any concerns.

Whilst I do 100% understand that this approach offers less security for the animals,and less funds for the rescue, I also think it is more likely to get piggies rehomed and prevent a pet shop purchase, so in that respect it does work.

A few years ago my mum and Dad, who live in the country with lots of land and chickens/sheep etc, wanted to adopt a border collie from the RSPCA, they've kept Border collies for years and have had various rescues, and the two they had at the time were getting older and they wanted a younger ***** so that when either one died the other was not left alone, the nearest centre with dogs was about 50 mins away, and as well as the homecheck they had to take both dogs to the centre to meet the young dog on neutral territory, however the elderly dog was totally unable to travel as he was violently car sick and the ***** was blind from diabetes and on daily insulin injections and it just didn't seem fair to take them both there and potentially make them ill from the stress/sickness, so for the first time in many years of rescued cats and dogs they bought from a breeder, then bought from them again 2 years later, simply because adopting seemed so difficult.

I think it's very easy to judge those who don't rescue, and totally understand why people feel so upset seeing these piggies being bought when so many need homes, but like anything ethical (shopping/ not using certain products/shops etc) it takes considerably more effort so only those who do feel strongly are going to make that effort when they can simply nip out on a saturday afternoon and pick up a pet for £15


To be honest I think a lot of people don't like to respond to these sort of posts because some of the responses/posts are quite aggressive in tone and they simply don't want to be "bashed" by the rescues on here.

Even now if it wasn't for Jo living near me we would struggle to adopt piggies from a rescue, as I have no car and two kids aged 1 & 3 so public transport is a nightmare, my OH does drive but works full time and is currently doing two separate degrees/course part time at uni, so he literally works 7 days a week, often 15-16 hours and just can't take the time to drive me to somewhere like Walsall, also one example is that looking at young male piggies from the RSPCA, they are given neutering vouchers that need to be redeemed local to them, this personally is something I wouldn't be keen on as I have no intention of keeping sows and hate the thought of putting them through the op, plus again the transport would be an issue, so for me that would rule out a certain pair of piggies I really loved on their site.

I will be getting a pair of piggies shortly via a rescue who came from P@H adoption centre originally, I saw him and mentioned him to my local rescue and she said if I could get him she'd taken them in and take them to the vets etc, they were given to them by a breeder as one has a birth deformity which means his face is flat, he is very small (450 g at 12 weeks), eats slowly and breathes noisily due to this, the reason I have said we'll have him and his companion is that I know there's a good chance he may need expensive dental/vet treatment in future and I've seen so many "I can't afford the vet" type posts on here that I hate the thought of him ending up suffering because of this, whereas whilst we're not rich we own our own home, OH has a good job and we can always find money for vets bills etc, even if it means using a credit card. It's not a decision I'm 100% comfortable with, as I think it's so wrong a breeder can do this, but then on the other hand I wonder what the breeder would have done with him otherwise.

I'm sure I'll also get bashed for this, I spend my life trying to behave in a way I feel is ethical, I don't eat meat, use eco washable nappies, breastfeed, don't drive, don't use products which profit Nestle, give to charity etc etc, and as I say, this isn't something which sits 100% right with me, but then I won't make an apology for wanting to give an animal the best chance I feel I can, I have done and will again donate to rescues/take part in fund raisers etc, but I do feel that the constant berating of anyone who has had anything to do with P@H is simply going to ostracize people who do buy nuggets/toys etc from there.
 
I've said on here before that I didn't know my local rescue exsisted until november of last year.
I searched for a pair of sows in June last year and called at the local RSPCA first and the bloke was useless, he didn't take any details and just said that he didn't know if there was any sows, he didn't know if they had any younger piggies as I wasn't wishing to get an older pair of piggys for my daughter, he didn't have a clue about what was in how or old they were.
All I got told was come back in a day or so and we'll see what we can do.
I wanted a dog from the RSPCA back in 2000 I went to have a look around and found a couple that'd I'd have gladly taken and they wouldn't let me have one because I had a 2 year old when I asked why they said it was their policy but the woman basically implied that I couldn't look after both child and dog.
Which is totally rubbish as I bought one from a local breeder and he's still here very much part of our family, he get's treated like one of the kids and I wouldn't part with him for the world.
Yet I know someone who had a staffy in 2009 and she passed all of the home checks but low and behold she handed him back after 3 months because of the mess he kept creating, he just destroyed everything, apparently she later found out that the dog had been involved in dog fighting and had a history of destroying stuff as he'd already been rehomed and returned a few months before she had him, but the RSPCA had forgotton to inform her of this.
If I ever got another piggy I'd go and see the woman at my local rescue as she's been so helpful to me.
 
Ok so the conclusions I draw from this are that rescues and pet shops like P@H vary so vastly. Some P@H are brilliant at what they do and people are happy to return there for further pets where some rescues are not so good and make it difficult if not impossible for people to rescue the animal of their choice from them.

Obviously these are issues that need raising with the rescues involved and if faced with this kind of problem I would put it in writing to them as to why you felt that they were not helpful in this instance. It may be that a volunteer is helping out or a new member of staff that honestly didn't know how to help. It may be that the following day a more experienced member would have been available to discuss it with you, who knows its all guess work.
 
Maybe it's just about the marketing, everyone has heard of pets at home, so they go there... see the piggles and have their heartstrings tugged.

Maybe the way forward is more promotion/marketing of rescues and petshops that don't sell pets so that people aren't tempted so much. I know I have had to really google about to find some of the rescues that post on here. If anyone needs help with social media/google ranking related bobbins, I'd love to help as much as I can :)

Is there a sticky with a list of good non pet selling shops? If not, then let's start one!
 
I think this thread is going nowhere, with the odd exception, the whole point seems to have been missed. It's not about pet shop v rescue, homechecks, money etc., etc., it is about principles. I will leave it there now. xx
 
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